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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 19:26:59 GMT -5
Is getting Cody a coup from an optics point of view? Absolutely. Especially when there are guys like MJF that you know damn well that the WWE would give their eye teeth to have and Cody could act as an intermediary.
Will it affect AEW short term? Nah. Cody was being turned by the crowd, and he was fighting them every step of the way which would have just led to "Go away" heat.
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Post by mattyy on Mar 20, 2022 19:39:15 GMT -5
Is getting Cody a coup from an optics point of view? Absolutely. Especially when there are guys like MJF that you know damn well that the WWE would give their eye teeth to have and Cody could act as an intermediary. Will it affect AEW short term? Nah. Cody was being turned by the crowd, and he was fighting them every step of the way which would have just led to "Go away" heat. I read that it was a one year deal which is more beneficial to WWE, tbh. If you only think you have him for a year, you don't run the risk of falling down the Stardust rabbit hole. Give him two big programs, and make it seem like the grass is greener for guys like MJF and Wardlow that WWE is salivating at the chance to have.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 20, 2022 20:32:45 GMT -5
Is getting Cody a coup from an optics point of view? Absolutely. Especially when there are guys like MJF that you know damn well that the WWE would give their eye teeth to have and Cody could act as an intermediary. Will it affect AEW short term? Nah. Cody was being turned by the crowd, and he was fighting them every step of the way which would have just led to "Go away" heat. I read that it was a one year deal which is more beneficial to WWE, tbh. If you only think you have him for a year, you don't run the risk of falling down the Stardust rabbit hole. Give him two big programs, and make it seem like the grass is greener for guys like MJF and Wardlow that WWE is salivating at the chance to have. I don’t believe the one-year deal has been reported by anyone reputable.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 21, 2022 3:22:31 GMT -5
I get the point that the " my family" argument always falls flat for me in thes cases. You were already making enough bank for 4 full families. Just admit you wanted more money instead of hiding behind the family argument. Its not like he was a struggling common man ,working hard with his hands 6-7 figures is a lot of money, but in the grand scheme of things it's not THAT much money. If I got a million bucks tomorrow and kept my life exactly as it is, I could probably make that last forever but if I wanted to upgrade some stuff and/or there was a significant life change, that money could go real fast. Someone earning at a high level for a few years doesn't mean they're set for life, especially if they have a family. And earning enough money to ensure you’re financially secure for life is one thing, but ensuring your kids are financially secure for life is another. Doesn’t mean spoiling them rotten or anything, just knowing that your kids can go to any university they want to and will always have a roof over their head even if chasing their dreams isn’t paying great.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 21, 2022 5:36:30 GMT -5
Is getting Cody a coup from an optics point of view? Absolutely. Especially when there are guys like MJF that you know damn well that the WWE would give their eye teeth to have and Cody could act as an intermediary. Will it affect AEW short term? Nah. Cody was being turned by the crowd, and he was fighting them every step of the way which would have just led to "Go away" heat. I read that it was a one year deal which is more beneficial to WWE, tbh. If you only think you have him for a year, you don't run the risk of falling down the Stardust rabbit hole. Give him two big programs, and make it seem like the grass is greener for guys like MJF and Wardlow that WWE is salivating at the chance to have. Goldberg originally signed a one year deal, one year is plenty of time for them to ruin something.
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Post by mattyy on Mar 21, 2022 6:38:46 GMT -5
I read that it was a one year deal which is more beneficial to WWE, tbh. If you only think you have him for a year, you don't run the risk of falling down the Stardust rabbit hole. Give him two big programs, and make it seem like the grass is greener for guys like MJF and Wardlow that WWE is salivating at the chance to have. Goldberg originally signed a one year deal, one year is plenty of time for them to ruin something. touche, but NWA-TNA wasn't the threat that AEW is. If Turner decided "hey this shell company that WCW used to be could make money. We own the trademarks for Universal Wrestling Corporation, lets go ahead and reboot it." WWE wouldn't have dicked Goldberg around. Especially if all of Goldberg's friends were watching to see if it was worth negotiating once their deals were up.
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Post by clifford on Mar 21, 2022 10:15:21 GMT -5
So, if Cody comes in as a main eventer and a huge deal, does that mean the WWE is: 1. Admitting letting him go the first time was a bad decision 2. Admitting that AEW is successful enough that being at the top there is akin to being at the top of the WWE?
And THEN, does he either stay at the top of the card-which again would be an admittance that somewhere else got him to this point (ROH, NJPW, AEW)- or does he gradually slide back down the card to Kofi/Ziggler levels and the rhetoric can be 'well, he THOUGHT he was big time now, but he's not cut out to be a top WWE superstar'
(I'm just having fun speculating)
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 21, 2022 10:23:01 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to an actual source saying the "one-year-deal" thing that isn't second-hand from a podcast that may have been misheard? I just don't see modern WWE doing that with a guy, even Cody.
If they're signing him, they're going to treat him like a big deal. I've said it multiple times on here, but they need to make it worth something for AEW guys to want to come to WWE. Cody will be a world champ by the end of the year, if not sooner.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 10:47:49 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to an actual source saying the "one-year-deal" thing that isn't second-hand from a podcast that may have been misheard? I just don't see modern WWE doing that with a guy, even Cody. If they're signing him, they're going to treat him like a big deal. I've said it multiple times on here, but they need to make it worth something for AEW guys to want to come to WWE. Cody will be a world champ by the end of the year, if not sooner. I haven’t seen anyone reputable report that. I’d be shocked if WWE actually signed him for just 1-year but I guess anything is possible (in the World Wrestling Federation).
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Post by thehottag on Mar 21, 2022 11:31:58 GMT -5
The question isn't really how long the contract is (WWE can terminate them at any time, anyway). It's whether or not he'll be booked well.
WWE has been notoriously petty in the past. I'm sure the thought of taking a vice president of AEW, a 3 time TNT champion & making him a jobber to 'send a message' has crossed Vince's mind.
However, if Cody is booked well, it can send a different kind of message. Whether WWE sees anything in Rhodes is debatable, but I am sure they'd like to have MJF & Wardlow join the former Fed. If Cody is booked well & happy, they may be convinced to make the jump.
Personally I see them giving Cody a big Wrestlemania return, but his push peters out quickly & he's 'just another guy' by the Summer. And that has nothing to do with malice or burying people. I just don't think WWE has the ability to book properly, because if they did, they'd already be doing it.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 21, 2022 11:45:18 GMT -5
The question isn't really how long the contract is (WWE can terminate them at any time, anyway). It's whether or not he'll be booked well. WWE has been notoriously petty in the past. I'm sure the thought of taking a vice president of AEW, a 3 time TNT champion & making him a jobber to 'send a message' has crossed Vince's mind. However, if Cody is booked well, it can send a different kind of message. Whether WWE sees anything in Rhodes is debatable, but I am sure they'd like to have MJF & Wardlow join the former Fed. If Cody is booked well & happy, they may be convinced to make the jump. Personally I see them giving Cody a big Wrestlemania return, but his push peters out quickly & he's 'just another guy' by the Summer. And that has nothing to do with malice or burying people. I just don't think WWE has the ability to book properly, because if they did, they'd already be doing it. The contract matters in that it's a hypothetical investment on the talent's side, right? It's Cody listening to the pitch and trusting enough that they'll do right by him while also paying him what he's worth. They definitely have problems booking people, but I still think they'll have to go out of their way to make Cody feel really important for all those reasons mentioned above. I think we need to also set aside the "Vince is petty" narrative for hires during this time period. WCW almost killed the WWF. If anybody was used improperly after that, that's kind of what colored that process. AEW isn't publicly viewed as competition, but I'm sure they're nervous, so this is their way of trying to send a message that they can treat people fairly. We'll see, I guess.
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Post by eJm on Mar 21, 2022 11:51:30 GMT -5
The question isn't really how long the contract is (WWE can terminate them at any time, anyway). It's whether or not he'll be booked well. WWE has been notoriously petty in the past. I'm sure the thought of taking a vice president of AEW, a 3 time TNT champion & making him a jobber to 'send a message' has crossed Vince's mind. However, if Cody is booked well, it can send a different kind of message. Whether WWE sees anything in Rhodes is debatable, but I am sure they'd like to have MJF & Wardlow join the former Fed. If Cody is booked well & happy, they may be convinced to make the jump. Personally I see them giving Cody a big Wrestlemania return, but his push peters out quickly & he's 'just another guy' by the Summer. And that has nothing to do with malice or burying people. I just don't think WWE has the ability to book properly, because if they did, they'd already be doing it. The contract matters in that it's a hypothetical investment on the talent's side, right? It's Cody listening to the pitch and trusting enough that they'll do right by him while also paying him what he's worth. They definitely have problems booking people, but I still think they'll have to go out of their way to make Cody feel really important for all those reasons mentioned above. I think we need to also set aside the "Vince is petty" narrative for hires during this time period. WCW almost killed the WWF. If anybody was used improperly after that, that's kind of what colored that process. AEW isn't publicly viewed as competition, but I'm sure they're nervous, so this is their way of trying to send a message that they can treat people fairly. We'll see, I guess. Basically, as the both of us said, if Vince ends up being petty about this (and really, we have no reason outside of ancient history at this point), it’ll likely bite him in the ass if a MJF or a Wardlow or a Jungle Boy is close having their contract expire, looks at what happened and goes “I’m good”. And really, outside of wanting to stick it to a competitor, what would it actually achieve?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 21, 2022 11:52:07 GMT -5
The realistic danger for Cody isn't that he gets booked intentionally poorly. It's being booked unintentionally poorly.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 11:55:20 GMT -5
The question isn't really how long the contract is (WWE can terminate them at any time, anyway). It's whether or not he'll be booked well. WWE has been notoriously petty in the past. I'm sure the thought of taking a vice president of AEW, a 3 time TNT champion & making him a jobber to 'send a message' has crossed Vince's mind. However, if Cody is booked well, it can send a different kind of message. Whether WWE sees anything in Rhodes is debatable, but I am sure they'd like to have MJF & Wardlow join the former Fed. If Cody is booked well & happy, they may be convinced to make the jump. Personally I see them giving Cody a big Wrestlemania return, but his push peters out quickly & he's 'just another guy' by the Summer. And that has nothing to do with malice or burying people. I just don't think WWE has the ability to book properly, because if they did, they'd already be doing it. The contract matters in that it's a hypothetical investment on the talent's side, right? It's Cody listening to the pitch and trusting enough that they'll do right by him while also paying him what he's worth. They definitely have problems booking people, but I still think they'll have to go out of their way to make Cody feel really important for all those reasons mentioned above. I think we need to also set aside the "Vince is petty" narrative for hires during this time period. WCW almost killed the WWF. If anybody was used improperly after that, that's kind of what colored that process. AEW isn't publicly viewed as competition, but I'm sure they're nervous, so this is their way of trying to send a message that they can treat people fairly. We'll see, I guess. There’s also a difference in how Vince treated those coming in from WCW while WCW was still alive. Flair, Luger, Big Show, Sid, Jericho, Jarrett, X-Pac, even to a lesser extent WCW lower/midcarders like Austin, Foley, Hall, Nash and HHH, were all treated equal to or better than they were in WCW in terms of push.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 21, 2022 12:04:49 GMT -5
The question isn't really how long the contract is (WWE can terminate them at any time, anyway). It's whether or not he'll be booked well. WWE has been notoriously petty in the past. I'm sure the thought of taking a vice president of AEW, a 3 time TNT champion & making him a jobber to 'send a message' has crossed Vince's mind. However, if Cody is booked well, it can send a different kind of message. Whether WWE sees anything in Rhodes is debatable, but I am sure they'd like to have MJF & Wardlow join the former Fed. If Cody is booked well & happy, they may be convinced to make the jump. Personally I see them giving Cody a big Wrestlemania return, but his push peters out quickly & he's 'just another guy' by the Summer. And that has nothing to do with malice or burying people. I just don't think WWE has the ability to book properly, because if they did, they'd already be doing it. The contract matters in that it's a hypothetical investment on the talent's side, right? It's Cody listening to the pitch and trusting enough that they'll do right by him while also paying him what he's worth. They definitely have problems booking people, but I still think they'll have to go out of their way to make Cody feel really important for all those reasons mentioned above. I think we need to also set aside the "Vince is petty" narrative for hires during this time period. WCW almost killed the WWF. If anybody was used improperly after that, that's kind of what colored that process. AEW isn't publicly viewed as competition, but I'm sure they're nervous, so this is their way of trying to send a message that they can treat people fairly. We'll see, I guess. I don't think it should be set aside, because 'WCW tried to put WWF out of business' didn't stop them from featuring, paying, and giving money to Eric Bischoff, the actual management guy who took the war to them. Once Vince was the only game in town, the incentive to stop making 'their guys' look was gone and Vince wanted to put on a public spectacle to teach the world that his guys were better. "They tried to put us out of business" never seemed to hurt any of the people making business decisions.
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Post by dxbang on Mar 21, 2022 18:37:33 GMT -5
Much like the CM Punk debut in AEW…the show starts with everyone chanting Cody’s name. His music hits and out he comes. As he’s dropping a promo, where he mentions AEW by name, he’s interrupted…but not by Seth, he’s interrupted by Triple H.
Now I know we’ve all read the reports that he’ll never be able to wrestle again, so this likely can’t happen, but it would be great if Triple H tells him he saw what he did to the throne. He’s heard what he said about WWE, and now he can say it to his face.
If Triple H is cleared medically, and LOSES to Cody at Mania, this would be a great start for Cody’s run.
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Post by lildude8218 on Mar 21, 2022 22:10:00 GMT -5
All you have to do is debut Cody next week on Raw. He says the negotiations were ongoing for a while and hit some roadblocks but he's happy to say that he's back and will be at Wrestlemania. Seth comes out completely pissed off and asks how Cody could have a match at Wrestlemania and not him. He just repeats that it's been in the works for a while. Seth attacks him and completely ruins his debut. Cody confronts Pearce and/or Sonya backstage and either rips up a contract or just says "I don't care what we discussed. I want Rollins at Mania or I'm gone." It would be already established from Cody's promo that WWE officials had to really fight hard to get him there so they don't want to jeopardize him leaving now so they make the change. You never even need to know what Cody's original plans were.
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Post by Display Name on Mar 21, 2022 23:31:31 GMT -5
Were there anymore hints by commentary or anyone else tonight?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 23:37:48 GMT -5
Were there anymore hints by commentary or anyone else tonight? They went hard with the hints on social media but I wasn’t paying close enough attention to notice if the announcers were doing it again tonight. The cats out of the bag though. There were loud Cody chants directed at Seth at the beginning and end of the show so I think even the less hardcore/smarky fans must be aware by now.
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Post by Fade on Mar 21, 2022 23:52:36 GMT -5
With the way RAW ended they should give at least a hell of a tease next week.
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