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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 3, 2022 7:50:01 GMT -5
If I had one tiny complaint, it was Bianca’s postmatch celebration looking like she just beat Zelina in five minutes in Raw. That was an absolute war, sell it.
That’s more a “These kids today..” complaint I guess.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 3, 2022 8:00:42 GMT -5
This was so, so good, felt like an important match and had the right result. Wrestling at its best.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2022 8:14:54 GMT -5
I frankly believe that this was all planned in the same way that I believe Daniel Bryan headlining WrestleMania was always the plan. As in “not at all”. Especially since rumor was for a long time that Bianca/Becky wasn’t the plan for WrestleMania. As a fan, I really can’t care about Vince being high on Batista for Mania 30 anymore. I just don’t. So he didn’t want to go with Bianca at first? Well, he had second thoughts, and I liked the finish, so I’m good. Hunter and Bryan wooed Vince on a different plan eight years ago. Whatever discussions the talent and bookers had in making it, they’re over and done. I’m not outraged about it, I don’t see the point of still being all “ooh, how could they have almost blown Bryan’s big chance?” Well, they didn’t. I was entertained by that New Orleans show, so I’ve moved on. Same with Bianca. I mean, I wasn’t ragging on that, just more the spin they and others try to do that it was the plan. It clearly wasn’t, we all know it wasn’t and because of that, anyone who tries to go “Hey, Bianca looking like a goober at SummerSlam was always going to lead to a WrestleMania match was going to lead me having the same sort of cynicism. It just will. If I had one tiny complaint, it was Bianca’s postmatch celebration looking like she just beat Zelina in five minutes in Raw. That was an absolute war, sell it. That’s more a “These kids today..” complaint I guess. To be fair, seems to be more a “company barely wants people to sell” mandate than a generation.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 3, 2022 8:16:02 GMT -5
If I had one tiny complaint, it was Bianca’s postmatch celebration looking like she just beat Zelina in five minutes in Raw. That was an absolute war, sell it. That’s more a “These kids today..” complaint I guess. This is literally the biggest crowd shes wrestled in front of her. I say let it slide
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 3, 2022 8:26:43 GMT -5
As a fan, I really can’t care about Vince being high on Batista for Mania 30 anymore. I just don’t. So he didn’t want to go with Bianca at first? Well, he had second thoughts, and I liked the finish, so I’m good. Hunter and Bryan wooed Vince on a different plan eight years ago. Whatever discussions the talent and bookers had in making it, they’re over and done. I’m not outraged about it, I don’t see the point of still being all “ooh, how could they have almost blown Bryan’s big chance?” Well, they didn’t. I was entertained by that New Orleans show, so I’ve moved on. Same with Bianca. I mean, I wasn’t ragging on that, just more the spin they and others try to do that it was the plan. It clearly wasn’t, we all know it wasn’t and because of that, anyone who tries to go “Hey, Bianca looking like a goober at SummerSlam was always going to lead to a WrestleMania match was going to lead me having the same sort of cynicism. It just will. We’ll have to see in the weeks and months to come whether or not it comes out that it actually was the plan all along. We had a f***ton of sources corroborating what the WM30 situation was at various points, so that’s why “Bryan wasn’t the plan” was accepted at face value rather quickly. On the other hand, I don’t recall hearing ANY rumoured WM38 plans for Lynch or Belair that weren’t against each other until the Rousey return chat flared up, in which case they’d considered the match with Lynch briefly before they went with her against Flair.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 3, 2022 9:32:46 GMT -5
I mean, I wasn’t ragging on that, just more the spin they and others try to do that it was the plan. It clearly wasn’t, we all know it wasn’t and because of that, anyone who tries to go “Hey, Bianca looking like a goober at SummerSlam was always going to lead to a WrestleMania match was going to lead me having the same sort of cynicism. It just will. We’ll have to see in the weeks and months to come whether or not it comes out that it actually was the plan all along. We had a f***ton of sources corroborating what the WM30 situation was at various points, so that’s why “Bryan wasn’t the plan” was accepted at face value rather quickly. On the other hand, I don’t recall hearing ANY rumoured WM38 plans for Lynch or Belair that weren’t against each other until the Rousey return chat flared up, in which case they’d considered the match with Lynch briefly before they went with her against Flair. I’m not going to care if Bianca wasn’t the first plan, and I don’t care that Bryan wasn’t the first plan. They got their belts. I marked out. That’s it, the end. It’s not important anymore.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2022 10:01:23 GMT -5
We’ll have to see in the weeks and months to come whether or not it comes out that it actually was the plan all along. We had a f***ton of sources corroborating what the WM30 situation was at various points, so that’s why “Bryan wasn’t the plan” was accepted at face value rather quickly. On the other hand, I don’t recall hearing ANY rumoured WM38 plans for Lynch or Belair that weren’t against each other until the Rousey return chat flared up, in which case they’d considered the match with Lynch briefly before they went with her against Flair. From what I remember, there wasn’t a plan for Bianca and Becky to roll it back until Ronda came back and basically sealed Charlotte/Ronda so there wasn’t many other choices, if any. I’m not going to care if Bianca wasn’t the first plan, and I don’t care that Bryan wasn’t the first plan. They got their belts. I marked out. That’s it, the end. It’s not important anymore. Again, only used it as an example. Not using it as a ragging point or anything else. Just as a comparison.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Apr 3, 2022 10:53:45 GMT -5
I still have Sasha/Belair as higher, but this was a fantastic match.
Bianca is two for two in big time WM matches. My concern though is this.
Sasha and Becky have one major thing in common: they are fantastic when it comes to pacing matches. Three out of the four Horsewomen have that in common. Remember, Bayley got a banger match out of Eva Freakin’ Marie.
The last one she needs to beat is Charlotte. She’s the one who isn’t as good at pacing matches and general footwork. I hope Bianca is good enough to get a great one out of her too.
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Post by Fade on Apr 3, 2022 10:54:23 GMT -5
Oh, the match itself was amazing. We clown on Becky not being the best athlete too much, because she’s a very intelligent worker who can get fans emotionally invested in everything she does. Her facials are fantastic, conveying this crazed desperation and rage. Plus Bianca with her sass and energy is a perfect contrast for her. 100%. Just an incredible pair that I believe were helped with the incentive to leave the exact impression that they did. The Charlotte/Ronda absolutely overshadowed them as far as WWE’s presentation went the last few months. Becky and Bianca put on one of the greatest WrestleMania matches ever. I don’t even know how to describe Charlotte/Ronda.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 12:28:08 GMT -5
Was definetly the best womens match on the night but also I thought it was also really sloppy though IMO but the ending got the crowd to bite HARD and that was great.
Interested to see what the follow up is now though apart from them doing the obvious drag this out for atleast 1 more ppv with potential call ups and returning talent.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 3, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5
If the end result was satisfactory, getting there isn’t really worth worrying about anymore
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Post by 4real on Apr 3, 2022 13:59:15 GMT -5
Match of the night easily. I loved it. Epic stuff. Maybe should have main evented but Austin’s first match in 19 years I guess it had to be really.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2022 14:17:21 GMT -5
If the end result was satisfactory, getting there isn’t really worth worrying about anymore Honestly, as time goes on, I just disagree with that. Some of that stuff, especially in recent history, just makes me go "Why did they go from Path A to G then to Z and then F and back to A and then to B when A to B is right there?" Like, regardless on if the outcome is good, I can't help but wonder why they make it so damn hard for themselves. Especially when they aren't going to reference the past events as much. It just feels like work for the viewer going back on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 3, 2022 14:19:30 GMT -5
If the end result was satisfactory, getting there isn’t really worth worrying about anymore Honestly, as time goes on, I just disagree with that. Some of that stuff, especially in recent history, just makes me go "Why did they go from Path A to G then to Z and then F and back to A and then to B when A to B is right there?" Like, regardless on if the outcome is good, I can't help but wonder why they make it so damn hard for themselves. Especially when they aren't going to reference the past events as much. It just feels like work for the viewer going back on. It's like how a comedian will sometimes go from point A... completely avoiding point B... arriving at the less funny point C simply because the baguettes are fresher and less expensive. ... I just wanted to make a kids in the hall reference <_<
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 3, 2022 14:22:05 GMT -5
If the end result was satisfactory, getting there isn’t really worth worrying about anymore Honestly, as time goes on, I just disagree with that. Some of that stuff, especially in recent history, just makes me go "Why did they go from Path A to G then to Z and then F and back to A and then to B when A to B is right there?" Like, regardless on if the outcome is good, I can't help but wonder why they make it so damn hard for themselves. Especially when they aren't going to reference the past events as much. It just feels like work for the viewer going back on. At the end of the day we want then build and the match to be good but if the build isn’t great but the match is good I’ll take it When you overhype something and the shit fails to deliver that creates a bad taste. Shinsuke/AJ was built on their NJPW encounter and while I liked their Mania match for what it was, people was not feeling it. FTR/Bucks for me was majorly hyped but the match itself for me was lacking. Fandom is always going to remember show number 1205 when X wrestler did this and want call backs while the actual product may forget it or just doesn’t reference it at all. I’m not in to the week to week product so for me I’m not nitpicking and following every little thread. I want to see the end result and I can properly judge my he stuff I have seen and caught up on along wit the end product in the ring
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 14:26:11 GMT -5
Loved everything about this match. The right person won and it also made me realize how much I still adore Becky, even though I've hated most of her booking since WM 35.
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Post by Fade on Apr 3, 2022 14:29:24 GMT -5
It’s kind of like Austin & The Rock. That build was the absolute butt. And yet it’s still fondly remembered cause they were each the best in the business at that point. And the match delivered. You could probably make a similar argument for Becky & Bianca.
The blueprint wasn’t bad but the execution of the story…
We still had last night. Imagine if the rivalry/storyline would have sizzled.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2022 14:29:36 GMT -5
Honestly, as time goes on, I just disagree with that. Some of that stuff, especially in recent history, just makes me go "Why did they go from Path A to G then to Z and then F and back to A and then to B when A to B is right there?" Like, regardless on if the outcome is good, I can't help but wonder why they make it so damn hard for themselves. Especially when they aren't going to reference the past events as much. It just feels like work for the viewer going back on. At the end of the day we want then build and the match to be good but if the build isn’t great but the match is good I’ll take it When you overhype something and the shit fails to deliver that creates a bad taste. Shinsuke/AJ was built on their NJPW encounter and while I liked their Mania match for what it was, people was not feeling it. FTR/Bucks for me was majorly hyped but the match itself for me was lacking. Fandom is always going to remember show number 1205 when X wrestler did this and want call backs while the actual product may forget it or just doesn’t reference it at all. I’m not in to the week to week product so for me I’m not nitpicking and following every little thread. I want to see the end result and I can properly judge my he stuff I have seen and caught up on along wit the end product in the ring I mean, the examples you're using don't really fit somewhat; AJ/Nakamura wasn't really that hyped outside of "This match'll be good" which is fine but it also wasn't really doing much when the only real WWE thing they have is a) they came into the company together from NJPW and b) that one MITB confrontation everyone went mad for. The only time they even referenced the Wrestle Kingdom match was during the match itself which, again, fine, but there wasn't that context going in (along with where it was on the card but that was something "solved" with the two day Manias). FTR/Bucks, if anything, fits the Bianca/Becky example more than you'd realize. The build to that match was a mess, all sorts of weird betrayals and side stuff that delayed things and, if anything, the match made the build worth it, albeit made me think why they went the direction they did with it. That was a match that needed something simple like "Hey, we're FTR, we want to fight the Young Bucks" and they win a bunch of matches to get it. It's not really a "callback" thing as much as it's like...just tell a straightforward story. One of the things that hurt Becky/Charlotte/Ronda was how many layers they put into the damn thing to make it almost not worth watching, and even the match itself was marred by a botch finish.
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Post by Stu on Apr 3, 2022 14:31:39 GMT -5
Match of the night easily. I loved it. Epic stuff. Maybe should have main evented but Austin’s first match in 19 years I guess it had to be really. In the words of Joey Tribbiani, it's a moo point. Putting Bianca/Becky last would've meant giving Austin/Owens a backseat. And as you mentioned, that wasn't going to happen. Instead, the match went where it went and Bianca and Becky came out smelling like roses after putting on a great match that everyone agrees deserved higher billing. Meanwhile, Charlotte and Ronda gave detractors even more fuel to criticize them. And even if the women's matches swapped places, going second-to-last means little in the grand scheme of things. Essentially, short of going on after Austin/Owens, this was the best-case scenario for Bianca and Becky.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 3, 2022 14:33:35 GMT -5
At the end of the day we want then build and the match to be good but if the build isn’t great but the match is good I’ll take it When you overhype something and the shit fails to deliver that creates a bad taste. Shinsuke/AJ was built on their NJPW encounter and while I liked their Mania match for what it was, people was not feeling it. FTR/Bucks for me was majorly hyped but the match itself for me was lacking. Fandom is always going to remember show number 1205 when X wrestler did this and want call backs while the actual product may forget it or just doesn’t reference it at all. I’m not in to the week to week product so for me I’m not nitpicking and following every little thread. I want to see the end result and I can properly judge my he stuff I have seen and caught up on along wit the end product in the ring I mean, the examples you're using don't really fit somewhat; AJ/Nakamura wasn't really that hyped outside of "This match'll be good" which is fine but it also wasn't really doing much when the only real WWE thing they have is a) they came into the company together from NJPW and b) that one MITB confrontation everyone went mad for. The only time they even referenced the Wrestle Kingdom match was during the match itself which, again, fine, but there wasn't that context going in (along with where it was on the card but that was something "solved" with the two day Manias). FTR/Bucks, if anything, fits the Bianca/Becky example more than you'd realize. The build to that match was a mess, all sorts of weird betrayals and side stuff that delayed things and, if anything, the match made the build worth it, albeit made me think why they went the direction they did with it. That was a match that needed something simple like "Hey, we're FTR, we want to fight the Young Bucks" and they win a bunch of matches to get it. It's not really a "callback" thing as much as it's like...just tell a straightforward story. One of the things that hurt Becky/Charlotte/Ronda was how many layers they put into the damn thing to make it almost not worth watching, and even the match itself was marred by a botch finish. I think we saying the same thing but just looking at it differently Essentially, stop the BS and keep a simple build that matches the importance of the match
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