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Post by The Rick Jericho on Apr 15, 2022 10:15:58 GMT -5
Unless I'm wrong here, is the last time they did this was Roman and Seth as tag champions with the Shield. Then breaking off into solo stars?
I don't think it's happened since? You could say Kofi, but he was already a solo wrestler, before going to a tag team and then back to solo in 2019.
I guess gone forever are the days of a Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart rising above the ranks from Tag to IC to WWE champion.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 15, 2022 10:17:40 GMT -5
Is this something we even really want? I thought them constantly breaking up tag teams for this precise reason was a bugbear for the fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 10:19:31 GMT -5
I just wish they'd let more tag guys do stuff outside of the tag division without breaking up their team. Like Montez Ford is someone who should be competing for the US Title right now, but the Profits keep doing the same thing every week with RK-Bro and Alpha Academy.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 15, 2022 10:22:06 GMT -5
I think Montez Ford will be the next one. Shame for Dawkins cause he’s really good, but I can’t see him being a big singles star.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 15, 2022 10:29:19 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a bad pattern that almost never had good results. I don't miss it at all. The phenomenon was dumb enough that I just needed to sum it up to non-fans by saying that tag teams would break up after a few months and the taller one would get a push, and it was instantly understood that this was a recipe for utter failure.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Apr 15, 2022 10:37:33 GMT -5
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On a serious note, AEW uses tag wrestlers in singles matches fairly often and I really like that.
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Post by repomark on Apr 15, 2022 11:11:01 GMT -5
I think it can still be done, but it only works if the tag team is together long enough to become something meaningful. The Rockers and the Hart Foundation were both together for over five years before going their separate ways - leaving a legacy behind in the tag division.
Both of those teams also broke up in very different ways - and it feels like WWE has forgotten how to do the “quietly go our separate ways” Bret and Jim break up in favour of trying to always create the next barbershop moment and a feud between the dissolving tag team members.
I think it can still be done, but it needs to be done right for it to work.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 15, 2022 11:38:10 GMT -5
I don't think it's happened since? You could say Kofi, but he was already a solo wrestler, before going to a tag team and then back to solo in 2019. They tried with Otis. Like, not very hard because they had him lose the briefcase to The Miz, who became the kayfabe worst WWE Champion of all time, but he was the last one.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 15, 2022 11:43:01 GMT -5
The last success may have been The Shield, but WWE does it constantly and it's a failure the vast majority of the time. Bret and Shawn were generational talents and trying to find the next Bret and Shawn out of a team like Enzo and Cass is patently absurd. When The Shield broke up, it was two guys who were already ready to be major stars and one the guy the company was grooming to be a top star; the plan was always to break them up and have them go their separate ways, so it worked better. Breaking up Heavy Machinery, two guys who found a good groove together after one was stuck in developmental for a lifetime, resulted in one guy getting fired and the other ending up back in a tag team with another guy who found himself in a broken-up tag team.
If they're going to break up perfectly good tag teams to do nothing, then no, don't even bother. I don't care if the next Bret Hart is hiding in a tag team and not flourishing. Let him be a great tag team wrestler instead. Tag team wrestling is great. f***ing love tag team wrestling and frankly the idea that you need to try and "elevate" people out of that is one of the worst things WWE has done and one of the worst ideas their dominance has put out into the conversation.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 15, 2022 12:37:08 GMT -5
Honestly the only times this worked in wwe was with Bret, HBK, Edge, Christian, Jeff Hardy, and Seth/Roman (who as explained earlier were already groomed to be top guys the day they debuted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 13:36:13 GMT -5
I don't.
WWE's fetish for breaking up teams for no reason, randomly in hopes of finding the next Shawn Michaels was so jarring.
It always had the same end result too. Instead of having a solid over tag team, now you had two floundering singles stars on Superstars and Main Event.
Awful booking.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 15, 2022 13:52:00 GMT -5
I just wish they'd let more tag guys do stuff outside of the tag division without breaking up their team. Like Montez Ford is someone who should be competing for the US Title right now, but the Profits keep doing the same thing every week with RK-Bro and Alpha Academy. The New Age Outlaws tried for single gold yet didn't break up(the ending is another story). Both Ricky Morton(RnR Express) & Hawk(Road Warriors) challenged Ric Flair for the World Title yet were still about their teams. Why is it hard for WWE to do that?
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 15, 2022 15:15:47 GMT -5
Tall Creed should absolutely ascend up to be a star.
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Post by the2ndevil on Apr 15, 2022 15:18:46 GMT -5
On the one hand, kinda, but on the other, the very concept of "The Janetty" has always been a bit of an annoyance
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 15, 2022 19:27:14 GMT -5
No. Not every tag team is meant to break up. Not every tag guy needs to be or wants to be or could be a singles star. And no, I don't agree that 'if you don't want to be world champion you're in the wrong business' as a lot of people like to say. Tag teams breaking up so one or more of them can be elevated is primarily a WWE thing, and it's mainly because Vince hates paying four people for a job two people could do.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Apr 15, 2022 19:45:52 GMT -5
On the one hand, kinda, but on the other, the very concept of "The Janetty" has always been a bit of an annoyance Especially for Marty Janetty!
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 15, 2022 19:52:47 GMT -5
Always hated it
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Post by papagiorgio on Apr 16, 2022 9:29:41 GMT -5
I will always maintain Jannetty had a good career overall that most wrestlers would have liked to have had (short I-C and tag title reigns, multiple runs). There are a ton of wrestlers that did worse than him after a tag team break up. Obviously, it would have been better without the drugs.
I think they gave up on Otis way too soon as a babyface singles wrestler. He could have been a good mid card champ. He was over with the crowds. I think not having crowds once covid hit hurt him.
Liv Morgan has done alright since the breakup with Riott Squad. I feel like she still has a shot at breaking through if the WWE pulls the trigger.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 16, 2022 9:44:12 GMT -5
No. Not every tag team is meant to break up. Not every tag guy needs to be or wants to be or could be a singles star. And no, I don't agree that 'if you don't want to be world champion you're in the wrong business' as a lot of people like to say. Tag teams breaking up so one or more of them can be elevated is primarily a WWE thing, and it's mainly because Vince hates paying four people for a job two people could do. More than that, if you make your tag titles worth something, people would reasonably want to chase the prestige of your tag title too, and not just your world title. Ask Robert Gibson and Ricky Morton if they feel they were in the wrong business for never winning the big one.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 16, 2022 10:13:51 GMT -5
I will always maintain Jannetty had a good career overall that most wrestlers would have liked to have had (short I-C and tag title reigns, multiple runs). There are a ton of wrestlers that did worse than him after a tag team break up. Obviously, it would have been better without the drugs. I think they gave up on Otis way too soon as a babyface singles wrestler. He could have been a good mid card champ. He was over with the crowds. I think not having crowds once covid hit hurt him. Liv Morgan has done alright since the breakup with Riott Squad. I feel like she still has a shot at breaking through if the WWE pulls the trigger. It's actually real harsh that Jannetty got this title because most 'Jannettys' had way worse careers than he did. Jannetty is a relative measure
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