Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 16, 2022 10:40:44 GMT -5
The main issue is the time spent on Bucks vs re.dragon hasn't gone anywhere. If it had it would have given Hangman more of a story and justified them outshining Jurassic Express, guess they're waiting for Omega to reutrn. Jurrasic express mostly suffer from their division being so face heavy, a fued with 2.0 calling the dinosaur a boring generic wrestler compared to their sports entertainment could be fun followed by a more serious fued with house of black or Team Taz.
Rosa is rumoured to have an injury so eh, not great but fine. Jade is a focus.
Scorpio and Sammy should be more an afterthought because they've been the worst part of the show for ages now. The TNT title has fallen massively. There's 20+ people that would better champions than Sky, including his own tag partner.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 16, 2022 10:41:36 GMT -5
Shiny new toys are exciting, and really move the viewers, so I get it. Not necessarily defending it, but I also think there’s a big difference in AEW presentation from what we’re used to seeing in the last 30 years. Hogan was all over the program in WCW (unless he decided to sit a Nitro/Thunder out), and I’m sure Reigns is all over WWE TV these days, since he’s the only one I ever actually hear about with his long-ass run. As others have said, there is always a cooldown once the babyface chase is over, and Hangman/Rosa are currently top champs so it feels like the company is in cooldown mode except when Punk or BCC are in the ring. I’ve mentioned that I tend to watch on delay, and I will honestly note that I’ll fast-forward through certain people/segments very often. One of those currently being the TNT title stuff. Just seems weird to me that, with all the talent at AEW’s disposal, the midcard belt feud is Sammy Guevara vs. Scorpio Sky. It feels like we deserve and can get better, so to save time I typically just blow right past that. What’s happened to the TNT title is a damn travesty. I use to call that championship blessed. But ever since Sammy first won it, wo-f’n-of.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 16, 2022 10:50:51 GMT -5
I think it's just a different presentation style than most companies do. The champions, with the exception of conniving heel Scorpio Sky, are all presented as some of the best wrestlers in their respective divisions, with Hangman arguably being presented as the best in the entire company. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be constant presences on the show. Each Dynamite there will generally be a segment involving Hangman, a segment involving Rosa, etc. but they won't necessarily be the "main characters" of the show. To be honest I actually prefer this method because the champions still have a presence, and their matches speak for themselves, but it doesn't risk overexposing them and making the shows revolve around them. I'm loving Hangman's reign but if he'd been showing up three times a night every week I'd probably be begging for a title change by now. Maybe there's just a disconnect with me in that regard. I personally like it when the champion is also the main character of a show and also the unarguable best at a point, the way Austin, Hogan and Cena, Tanahashi and Okada and Goldberg often were. I feel those champs add a lot of prestige to the title. They serve as a strong draw for casuals because it's an easy and positive watch, those new fans are watching people they're meant to like win. That doesn't mean I'm against strong heel champions and chases, you need some drama and a reason to root for the face's journey. But I don't want AEW to use that approach with every top babyface. If it's all journey and then middling booking for fruits of their labor, that's no fun. I don't mind Page as a Bret Hart style champion, but Bret got way more hype and pomp during late 92-1993-1994 than this (the "respect" video for example). Right now I think there should be way more Hangman segments showing his personal life, just clips of him beating dudes. Let's get Page out in front of more Turner/Warner media. Make it clear that this is "The Page Era". And if Punk beats him, then he should be hitting the media and getting some hype segments. Then it should go into "The Punk Era".
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Post by crazydom on Apr 16, 2022 11:03:04 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s particularly true. Hangman is really over and has had a great defense each time. And Jade is also extremely over and currently gets the most screen time compared to every woman in the division. The ATT/Sammy angle gets a lot of time, despite the quality, too. This more applies to Jurassic Express and Rosa. The former should honestly lose their titles to either FTR or BCC, and the latter is really on the overall booking of women’s wrestling in AEW. I don’t think anyone disputes that Hangman and pretty much everyone mentioned here is over with the crowd. But I do wonder how this plays to the larger television audience when someone like Punk gets more screen time than the actual champion. Jericho, Mox, and Kenny felt like the biggest thing in AEW when they were the champions. Hangman doesn’t.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 12:21:41 GMT -5
There ideally should be a balance. I don’t want it like WWE right now where it feels like so much of the show is dedicated to Roman Reigns and his stuff that it suffocates a lot of the rest.
But your champions should still feel like bit deals. I feel like AEW is trying to do that with Hangman. But the TNT belt has been in a bit of a slump since Miro lost it imo. JE put on consistently great work, but they don’t FEEL like super big deals because of presentation. They feel like the fourth most important tag team right now.
And the women just are not booked well in general.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 16, 2022 12:50:20 GMT -5
I will say that Page's chase was far more interesting than his reign has thus far been. It isn't the worst title reign of all time but it is in serious danger of being a lackluster reign, IMHO.
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Post by clifford on Apr 16, 2022 13:44:31 GMT -5
And its weird cause I feel like the champs are all presented really well and booked extremely strongly, yet yes, I definitely get this arguement. I think the rankings system hamstrings them a lot when it comes to title feuds. I'd bin them. Keep the records, get rid of the rankings. Someone on Reddit pointed out that Thunder Rosa has had less than five minutes of TV Time since she won the belt. That's...wow that's ass. It's not really exclusive to Rosa though unfortunately. All new champs in AEW seem to just spin their wheels when they get the belt up to their first defense or two. Again, I think being tied down to getting challengers from the rankings play a part.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 16, 2022 14:39:40 GMT -5
I wouldnt say the Champs are treated as afterthoughts. I do think especially with the tag titles they've put more emphasis on the rankings (and for the first month or so made the JE matches Rampage exclusive).
I actually have really liked Hangman's title matches as they have all been pretty good matches. The Cole feud going into Revolution was a bit cold admittedly but I cannot think of a bad title match he's had.
I also think they're treating the titles now more as special features rather than the focus
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 16, 2022 14:42:26 GMT -5
Really I think it boils down to AEW for the most part booking as though title matches don't need any kind of story whatsoever beyond, "The title is on the line."
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 16, 2022 15:22:14 GMT -5
I wouldnt say the Champs are treated as afterthoughts. I do think especially with the tag titles they've put more emphasis on the rankings (and for the first month or so made the JE matches Rampage exclusive). I actually have really liked Hangman's title matches as they have all been pretty good matches. The Cole feud going into Revolution was a bit cold admittedly but I cannot think of a bad title match he's had. I also think they're treating the titles now more as special features rather than the focus All of Hangman matches have been solid to incredible. It’s the storylines/character that’s left a lot to desire. Whether that’s on Tony, the rankings, Hangman, I’m not sure. Last night did give me hope. On top of being a great match and blowoff to the lackluster feud, there were two pivotal character moments: Hangman drinking the beer and giving a look of “…guess I’m doing this again” & Cole telling him “he’ll never be him, he’ll never be Kenny” and that he’s a “joke of a champion”. I hope (and expect) that’s elaborated on in the inevitable Punk feud.
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Post by dbrussel on Apr 16, 2022 16:05:41 GMT -5
Are they?? I dont know. Hangman & Jurassic express are having really good reigns (better than i expected), they're not Balor or Ricochet
Also, pretty sure the reason people created 200 threads here about Britt Baker wasn't because she felt like an afterthought lmao
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 16, 2022 16:55:43 GMT -5
I think Page's stories atm feel a bit more basic because we've just come off of a build that was built from the very beginning of the company if not before, but he's done a strong fighting champion run, established the Texas Deathmatch as one of his specialities with some absolute bangers, and exorcised one of the ghosts of his past. The only thing I can say against it is that the Adam Cole story has felt a bit like the minor reprise of the Omega feud with Redragon playing the role of the Bucks but without that personal connection and conflict that made their part feel weighty.
I feel like he needs something substantial to sink his teeth into next, but he's not done bad considering the high bar.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 16, 2022 20:58:02 GMT -5
I can see the point trying to be made
Hangman title matches have been incredible but the reign itself has been meh
Rosa is still new in her reign but she hasn't been given the Britt Baker TV and promo time. Jurrasic Express are cool but the division as a whole carries itself instead the titles.
TNT title is just merely okay
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 16, 2022 21:04:52 GMT -5
I think Page's stories atm feel a bit more basic because we've just come off of a build that was built from the very beginning of the company if not before, but he's done a strong fighting champion run, established the Texas Deathmatch as one of his specialities with some absolute bangers, and exorcised one of the ghosts of his past. The only thing I can say against it is that the Adam Cole story has felt a bit like the minor reprise of the Omega feud with Redragon playing the role of the Bucks but without that personal connection and conflict that made their part feel weighty. I feel like he needs something substantial to sink his teeth into next, but he's not done bad considering the high bar. Given the next feud seems to be Punk? This thread might age poorly soon lol
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 16, 2022 23:52:53 GMT -5
I don’t know if they are necessarily afterthoughts, at least for me. Maybe the TNT lately, but I always look forward to Hangman and Jurassic Express title matches and their segments. Rosa is too early to judge.
I think there are two things at play. First, the simple fact is that the hottest angles this year, MJF vs Punk, the formation of BCC, MJF vs Wardlow, we’re not title feuds. And that I can’t deny. Second, no one dominates a show. I’m WWE, the top guy generally dominates the segments and has matches all the time. Usually a wrestler is one once a night. And that’s been true for all the AEW World Champions, Kenny would often be in only 1 segment, 2 tops.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 17, 2022 9:57:24 GMT -5
I think Page's stories atm feel a bit more basic because we've just come off of a build that was built from the very beginning of the company if not before, but he's done a strong fighting champion run, established the Texas Deathmatch as one of his specialities with some absolute bangers, and exorcised one of the ghosts of his past. The only thing I can say against it is that the Adam Cole story has felt a bit like the minor reprise of the Omega feud with Redragon playing the role of the Bucks but without that personal connection and conflict that made their part feel weighty. I feel like he needs something substantial to sink his teeth into next, but he's not done bad considering the high bar. Given the next feud seems to be Punk? This thread might age poorly soon lol That still wouldn’t negate the months of feeling like an afterthought, though. It would just be progress moving forward.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 10:20:22 GMT -5
It's a huge roster, guys rotate on and off tv every week, guys don't wrestle every week..also 4 PPVs mixed with 3 hours of time means sometimes a title holder is going to get overshadowed.
This is also an early company thing. Omega and Moxley didn't feel that way but they came in with cred. Pushing a new star like Page makes people feel like bigger stars aren't champion.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2022 12:55:41 GMT -5
Given the next feud seems to be Punk? This thread might age poorly soon lol That still wouldn’t negate the months of feeling like an afterthought, though. It would just be progress moving forward. It also depends on if you think Hangman has been an afterthought, and I don't feel like he has. I thought the Cole feud really picked up steam, and I think him having two deathmatch title defenses has been awesome.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 17, 2022 17:20:40 GMT -5
That still wouldn’t negate the months of feeling like an afterthought, though. It would just be progress moving forward. It also depends on if you think Hangman has been an afterthought, and I don't feel like he has. I thought the Cole feud really picked up steam, and I think him having two deathmatch title defenses has been awesome. I do think they put him in the back to have great matches in order to build up more people for the horizon. Like CM Punk, would the program with him and Hangman wouldve been hot without the MJF feud? I think so but it won't be as molten hot as it is now. CM Punk and MJF was THE rivalry for AEW for a couple of months and it did wonders for both men. So Page being an afterthought was gonna happen
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 19, 2022 6:25:01 GMT -5
I can see the point trying to be made Hangman title matches have been incredible but the reign itself has been meh Rosa is still new in her reign but she hasn't been given the Britt Baker TV and promo time. Jurrasic Express are cool but the division as a whole carries itself instead the titles. TNT title is just merely okay Fwiw on Rosa Meltz confirmed that she was working with an injury so the weeks after she was given more of a break to rest (no excuse for bad segments though) I think Scorp's TNT title reign was a bust for many reasons hopefully Sammy even as a heel brings momentum back to that title. I actually really like the JE reign the issue was the first month or 2 of their reign was basically Rampage exclusive
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