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Post by crazydom on Apr 16, 2022 6:19:57 GMT -5
This seems like a growing problem with the company that is just getting worse and worse. Hangman has just sort of bounced around since his mini feud with Danielson and the Cole feud hasn't done much to help here either. Hangman basically just shows up and gives good matches, but with no reason for people to care beyond that. Anything going on with Punk, MJF/Wardlow, and Blackpool. Combat Club all feel like storylines getting far more focus and attention than whatever Hangman is doing. Jungle Express likewise feel less important than 4/5 other tag teams. FTR and the Young Bucks are completely overshadowing them. It's hard to even argue that Jungle Express feels more important than The Acclaimed. And now we already have Thunder Rosa falling into the same problem as all the other non-Britt women's champions because only Britt and Jade can get consistent screen time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 16, 2022 6:56:35 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s malicious, but in my opinion, I think that the stronger effort that goes into the non-title angles in contrast to other mainstream wrestling booking just means that the champions aren’t really standing out from the pack as much.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 16, 2022 7:00:50 GMT -5
The company has been getting a major influx of new, prominent talent lately and, frankly, the shiny new toys are more fun to play with for both the fans and booking.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 16, 2022 7:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah, this a problem. Champs should never be afterthoughts, not even as part of an angle.
The more hot new stars AEW is going to bring in, IMO the stronger their champions need to be. Not just bell to bell, I mean segment wise.
Hangman has been great, but if Punk is really the #1 merch seller, he’s getting louder pops and if his angles are going to be given more detail than Page’s, then Punk should probably be AEW men’s world champ right now. The champion should be the biggest star in the company at least a portion of the time. Not always, but the belts shouldn’t exclusively be for getting upper midcarders over either.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2022 7:31:49 GMT -5
Someone on Reddit pointed out that Thunder Rosa has had less than five minutes of TV Time since she won the belt.
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Post by champchumpchange on Apr 16, 2022 7:35:08 GMT -5
It’s cool that all their champs are AEW talent first (Hangman, Rosa, Jade, Jurassic Express, Sammy) but it does feel like those getting most of the TV time are ex WWE guys
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 16, 2022 7:39:02 GMT -5
part of it might be because the people they are currently feuding with fall into the "this isn't the person they are dropping the title to" category so outside of cole/hangman the challengers aren;t even getting that much time either which makes the title itself an afterthought in a way.
i suppose sammy/sky would qualify as well as far as getting time but that's more of a rematch than a fresh feud for sky. but to me the highschool lovebirds thing with sammy and tay is kinda overshadowing the whole "hey this is a title match!" for me which would fall under the initial heading.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Apr 16, 2022 7:44:42 GMT -5
This is one of those issues where I can see both sides:
On the one hand this kind of booking does appear to help the keep the mystique of world champion intact by not having them come out and work every single week, so when they do put their belt on the line it is treated like the major event it should be. And it also helps to keep the champ from becoming too overexposed which runs the risk of the crowd turning on them hard. (A common occurrence that has littered the wrestling landscape over the last 3 decades.)
But on the other hand the champions are the faces of the company and it makes the most sense that almost everything on the top of the card should be revolving around them. Which not doing so runs the risk of things going in the opposite direction with the fans making for a potential "out of sight, out of mind" scenario.
So all it is a pretty fine line, but as long as they don't go into either extreme for too long a period of time hopefully it will work out in the end.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 16, 2022 8:04:01 GMT -5
I think it's a bit overstated because the champs are still pretty damn over in my view. But if they are ever an afterthought, it's because they've booked some pretty damn good non title feuds. Like Punk/MJF was phenomenal and it's not an insult to Page that his feud was less hot than that.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 16, 2022 9:04:31 GMT -5
I think AEW relies a little too much on Wrestler A has belt, wrestler B wants belt storylines when it comes to champs. Those storylines are great and make the titles important, but it shouldn't be the story all the time. Other matches in AEW generally have more detailed stories to back them up.
There's a reason why the Omega/Hangman is one of the best things AEW has done and it's because it was the perfect balance of wrestler wants the belt, but also a more meaningful story. Of course, not all title matches can have 2+ years of story behind them, but they should have some.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 9:09:13 GMT -5
Because they don't have an actual tier/pecking order.
Its just whatever TK is excited about that week, not what actually makes sense in terms of a wrestling promotion.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Apr 16, 2022 9:30:12 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s particularly true. Hangman is really over and has had a great defense each time. And Jade is also extremely over and currently gets the most screen time compared to every woman in the division.
The ATT/Sammy angle gets a lot of time, despite the quality, too.
This more applies to Jurassic Express and Rosa. The former should honestly lose their titles to either FTR or BCC, and the latter is really on the overall booking of women’s wrestling in AEW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 9:31:38 GMT -5
I think it's just a different presentation style than most companies do. The champions, with the exception of conniving heel Scorpio Sky, are all presented as some of the best wrestlers in their respective divisions, with Hangman arguably being presented as the best in the entire company. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be constant presences on the show. Each Dynamite there will generally be a segment involving Hangman, a segment involving Rosa, etc. but they won't necessarily be the "main characters" of the show. To be honest I actually prefer this method because the champions still have a presence, and their matches speak for themselves, but it doesn't risk overexposing them and making the shows revolve around them. I'm loving Hangman's reign but if he'd been showing up three times a night every week I'd probably be begging for a title change by now.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 16, 2022 9:41:57 GMT -5
Imo it's because they're doing old NWA style booking with the champions. So the draw is the chase and seeing the babyface triumph after weeks/months/years. Once they win though, it's becoming a bit of slog as we wait for the heel to dethrone them and start the process again.
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Post by msc on Apr 16, 2022 10:08:58 GMT -5
2 of the 4 champs are underdogs in their own divisions, one is overshadowed by many on the roster with their current gimmick, and one is never on TV.
Hangman Page should be getting far more TV time than he is getting, it feels more and more like a shorter term reign.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 16, 2022 10:09:35 GMT -5
I think it's just a different presentation style than most companies do. The champions, with the exception of conniving heel Scorpio Sky, are all presented as some of the best wrestlers in their respective divisions, with Hangman arguably being presented as the best in the entire company. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be constant presences on the show. Each Dynamite there will generally be a segment involving Hangman, a segment involving Rosa, etc. but they won't necessarily be the "main characters" of the show. To be honest I actually prefer this method because the champions still have a presence, and their matches speak for themselves, but it doesn't risk overexposing them and making the shows revolve around them. I'm loving Hangman's reign but if he'd been showing up three times a night every week I'd probably be begging for a title change by now. My thoughts as well. Another thing that might give this impression is the fact that unless the title is on the line, the champions don't usually have non-title singles, or tag in the case of the tag titles, matches. So you're not seeing the champ start the show with a promo and then a singles match layer on. If you see the champ(s) it's either a segment with the number one contender or in a tag match (or one on one match for tag teams) or a title match. Less exposure for the Champs could give off the impression that they are on the same level as everyone else.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 16, 2022 10:16:18 GMT -5
Someone on Reddit pointed out that Thunder Rosa has had less than five minutes of TV Time since she won the belt. This is probably a separate topic, but that’s totally egregious.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 16, 2022 10:19:24 GMT -5
It’s cool that all their champs are AEW talent first (Hangman, Rosa, Jade, Jurassic Express, Sammy) but it does feel like those getting most of the TV time are ex WWE guys Might be a case of wanting the proverbial cake and devouring it too. OP is dead on except that, in all fairness, the TNT title’s felt like an afterthought since Sammy’s first reign many moons ago. It is great that the current champs are “homegrown talent” but compare all the current ones to the previous ones: Britt, Kenny, The Bucks, and Miro/Cody all felt like much bigger deals. It’s weird. That being said, maybe things will escalate now that they’re really on the way to the PPV. Shit’s felt like it’s been on a holding pattern (as has happened before). I think it's a bit overstated because the champs are still pretty damn over in my view. But if they are ever an afterthought, it's because they've booked some pretty damn good non title feuds. Like Punk/MJF was phenomenal and it's not an insult to Page that his feud was less hot than that. I mean, Wardlow/MJF has been hotter than Adam/Adam. That’s an insult to somebody I’d reckon.
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Post by r. on Apr 16, 2022 10:30:34 GMT -5
Swing and miss op.
Hangman is one of the most over guys they have
Jurrasic Express are likely on a collision with FTR
Yuta is a new-made star
They just main event an AEW with an ROH TV Title match
Jade is a focal point of Rampage
Thunderosa is (I think) healing from an injury
The only belt that's lost steam is the TNT title due to the bad Sammy/Scorpio feud
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Post by Convoy on Apr 16, 2022 10:33:44 GMT -5
Shiny new toys are exciting, and really move the viewers, so I get it. Not necessarily defending it, but I also think there’s a big difference in AEW presentation from what we’re used to seeing in the last 30 years. Hogan was all over the program in WCW (unless he decided to sit a Nitro/Thunder out), and I’m sure Reigns is all over WWE TV these days, since he’s the only one I ever actually hear about with his long-ass run.
As others have said, there is always a cooldown once the babyface chase is over, and Hangman/Rosa are currently top champs so it feels like the company is in cooldown mode except when Punk or BCC are in the ring. I’ve mentioned that I tend to watch on delay, and I will honestly note that I’ll fast-forward through certain people/segments very often. One of those currently being the TNT title stuff. Just seems weird to me that, with all the talent at AEW’s disposal, the midcard belt feud is Sammy Guevara vs. Scorpio Sky. It feels like we deserve and can get better, so to save time I typically just blow right past that.
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