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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 20, 2022 8:49:53 GMT -5
Booker is a hardcore WWE shill. You can find him saying all sorts of shit about AEW that's out there. This is also true. Much like Bully Ray and Bischoff recently he's one who will go overboard on the why WWE is better than AEW to the point where a valid criticism comes off as just putting one company down to prop up the other. Now to his credit I can see if people came from any company to AEW and were treated like big deals only to go directly to Dark quickly (Ruby or Jay Lethal) i can see that as being a demotion (especially for Jay who was a main guy in ROH). And honestly we have seen people like Emi and Swole vent frustrations on how AEW went for them (and let's be perfectly honest there will be more) However, I think for many wrestlers the freedom for outside bookings makes a difference. Anybody who has left WWE in the last 4 to 5 years all have the same complaint. They just weren't doing anything. They were either sitting at home getting paid or going to shows and not being used and that's what drove them nuts. So I wonder if for some of the WWE people especially they'd gladly take thr Dark and Elevation matches over what they previously had
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 20, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5
I didn't see the colon in the thread title at first and thought Booker T was wrestling on Dark.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 20, 2022 8:54:53 GMT -5
If you read his comments they're even dumber:
Dark is a demotion. He doesn't know who's on it or what's happening, but it's a demotion. It's a demotion because he doesn't know what it is. Great stuff, Book. Really making a contribution to the marketplace of ideas with this one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 8:56:37 GMT -5
While I disagree with Booker a do think Dark has lost some luster since the pandemic days. It use to be cool to find the Hobbs, Acclaimed, Velvets who would stick around and really cheer for them to be signed. Hell Del Sol got a huge moment building off just that. Doesn’t really happen anymore because of touring. I kinda miss that.
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Post by eJm on Apr 20, 2022 8:56:59 GMT -5
If you read his comments they're even dumber: Dark is a demotion. He doesn't know who's on it or what's happening, but it's a demotion. It's a demotion because he doesn't know what it is. Great stuff, Book. Really making a contribution to the marketplace of ideas with this one. I mean, you literally could ask the student from your school that signed, Booker. That'd be a great point of call as her teacher and all. How have we had more nuanced discussion about how people see Dark/Elevation compared to the guy with trainees who've actually been on the damn show?
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Apr 20, 2022 9:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah another ridiculous take.
And used to love when bigger names guys appeared on Heat and Velocity.
And remember that first episode of Superstars that WWE brought back that had Taker on it, which was filmed at a Raw I attended. Great stuff.
Shut up Booker!
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2022 9:21:24 GMT -5
Not to say Dark/Elevation is super important or anything. I don’t even watch much myself. But there is nothing wrong with C shows to have talent work on.
The fact is that they only have 3 hours of TV a week. So these shows are essential to get wrestlers ring time and exposed to the live crowd. Almost all the big stars have been on them.
Yeah, they could book the shows to make them a little more important. I’m not saying it’s a perfect system. But, I feel like calling it’s a demotion is wrong.
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Post by pinja on Apr 20, 2022 9:24:57 GMT -5
The way I'd see it as a wrestler in my prime: Dark is not the show that brings the money to AEW, that's Dynamite, Rampage and the big events due to contracts. Why am I not on those programs? Am I not considered enough of a draw? Is it irrelevant wether I'm working a YouTube-show or Dynamite for AEW to get the best network deals, the biggest merch numbers? I might feel like wrestling on the free internet shows is just as good as on tv, but that can be considered a bad thing just as much as a good thing.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2022 9:33:35 GMT -5
Booker is a hardcore WWE shill. You can find him saying all sorts of shit about AEW that's out there. Yeah, I was going to say that even if he has takes I agree with sometimes, he overwhelmingly comes off as a WWE shill whenever I see quotes from his podcast.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2022 9:36:57 GMT -5
As to Dark, veterans going on there once a month or once every other month to have a match is a good idea and I’d have no issue with that. But if you’re primarily on Dark and rarely seen on TV, that’s where I’d be wondering why I’m signed and looking for other opportunities when my contract was up.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2022 9:40:17 GMT -5
Just looking at the Dark YouTube numbers. They look pretty damn decent to me. Probably between 200k and 500k depending on who’s on it. It’s not TV, I know. But it’s not like wrestlers are being tucked away. It’s not behind a paywall, it’s not on some obscure channel no one can get. It’s on YouTube, free for all to view. That’s an even easier way of viewing the show than even Dynamite or Rampage.
To me the real valid criticism is that the shows don’t feel like a big deal. But on the other hand, really, does it have to be? WCW used to have all these B and C shows that was straight up wrestling, no frills, squash matches with recaps from the bigger shows. The only purpose they had was to expose certain wrestlers to people and keep wrestlers from not being used and win matches. And they were there if you wanted to watch them. And that’s okay.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2022 9:47:53 GMT -5
Just looking at the Dark YouTube numbers. They look pretty damn decent to me. Probably between 200k and 500k depending on who’s on it. It’s not TV, I know. But it’s not like wrestlers are being tucked away. It’s not behind a paywall, it’s not on some obscure channel no one can get. It’s on YouTube, free for all to view. That’s an even easier way of viewing the show than even Dynamite or Rampage. To me the real valid criticism is that the shows don’t feel like a big deal. But on the other hand, really, does it have to be? WCW used to have all these B and C shows that was straight up wrestling, no frills, squash matches with recaps from the bigger shows. The only purpose they had was to expose certain wrestlers to people and keep wrestlers from not being used and win matches. And they were there if you wanted to watch them. And that’s okay. The C shows themselves are usually fun and I loved the WCW versions growing up. I think the issue here is more whether it’s good for the talent that’s on the shows or not. For veterans in their prime, I imagine they’re not thrilled if they’re booked on Dark for a month straight and not on TV.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2022 9:54:37 GMT -5
Just looking at the Dark YouTube numbers. They look pretty damn decent to me. Probably between 200k and 500k depending on who’s on it. It’s not TV, I know. But it’s not like wrestlers are being tucked away. It’s not behind a paywall, it’s not on some obscure channel no one can get. It’s on YouTube, free for all to view. That’s an even easier way of viewing the show than even Dynamite or Rampage. To me the real valid criticism is that the shows don’t feel like a big deal. But on the other hand, really, does it have to be? WCW used to have all these B and C shows that was straight up wrestling, no frills, squash matches with recaps from the bigger shows. The only purpose they had was to expose certain wrestlers to people and keep wrestlers from not being used and win matches. And they were there if you wanted to watch them. And that’s okay. The C shows themselves are usually fun and I loved the WCW versions growing up. I think the issue here is more whether it’s good for the talent that’s on the shows or not. For veterans in their prime, I imagine they’re not thrilled if they’re booked on Dark for a month straight and not on TV. To me, as long they are kept being used, even on Dark, than that is better than being stuck in catering. And I agree it can be weird for veterans to be stuck on Dark for months on end. But still, it keeps them busy. Plus, it’s a good show to stay sharpe and get ring rust off. Apparently that’s why Ruby Soho was on Dark a lot. Because while I love her, some of her performances weren’t the best, and she looked great on Rampage last week, so being on Dark clearly helped her. Again, it’s not a perfect system and it sucks when someone seemingly gets stuck on Dark. But it still holds a lot of value. Even if some fans refuse to watch it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 20, 2022 9:57:57 GMT -5
The C shows themselves are usually fun and I loved the WCW versions growing up. I think the issue here is more whether it’s good for the talent that’s on the shows or not. For veterans in their prime, I imagine they’re not thrilled if they’re booked on Dark for a month straight and not on TV. To me, as long they are kept being used, even on Dark, than that is better than being stuck in catering. And I agree it can be weird for veterans to be stuck on Dark for months on end. But still, it keeps them busy. Plus, it’s a good show to stay sharpe and get ring rust off. Apparently that’s why Ruby Soho was on Dark a lot. Because while I love her, some of her performances weren’t the best, and she looked great on Rampage last week, so being on Dark clearly helped her. Again, it’s not a perfect system and it sucks when someone seemingly gets stuck on Dark. But it still holds a lot of value. Even if some fans refuse to watch it. I think a lot of people just don’t have the time to watch it, so they’re frustrated if their favorites are stuck there. There’s so much big league wrestling out there now and only so much time to watch. Just with Raw, Smackdown, Dynamite and Rampage, there’s 8 hours of mainstream nationally broadcast wrestling per week. That’s not even including NXT if you choose to follow that as well.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2022 10:03:48 GMT -5
To me, as long they are kept being used, even on Dark, than that is better than being stuck in catering. And I agree it can be weird for veterans to be stuck on Dark for months on end. But still, it keeps them busy. Plus, it’s a good show to stay sharpe and get ring rust off. Apparently that’s why Ruby Soho was on Dark a lot. Because while I love her, some of her performances weren’t the best, and she looked great on Rampage last week, so being on Dark clearly helped her. Again, it’s not a perfect system and it sucks when someone seemingly gets stuck on Dark. But it still holds a lot of value. Even if some fans refuse to watch it. I think a lot of people just don’t have the time to watch it, so they’re frustrated if their favorites are stuck there. There’s so much big league wrestling out there now and only so much time to watch. Just with Raw, Smackdown, Dynamite and Rampage, there’s 8 hours of mainstream nationally broadcast wrestling per week. That’s not even including NXT if you choose to follow that as well. On the bright side of that, the shows are always there for you to watch. The entire Dark/Elavtation library is on there. If someone is a real big Ruby Soho fan or Shida fan. The match is there if you want to watch it. It’s not hard to pick and choose what on Dark if want to watch it. I don’t blame people who may not have the time. But it’s always there when you have the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:19:20 GMT -5
I think if you only are doing stuff on Elevation and Dark, it's an issue. (It's really annoying to me that Emi Sakura almost never gets onto TV, and Diamante is criminally underutilized in a similar fashion.) But, I also think there's plenty of valid reasons to have some people doing a lot of the web show work, and that it's a better look to be "8-2" or something on TV than have a record of 1-1 or the like. You also can't relegate only the newbies to the web shows or you're missing out on a good opportunity to give them experience and find who they have chemistry with. Heres the problem with that though...It looks insanely weird when you do not watch the web shows and these guys are 25-3 when the TV cameras arent on but lose every time they are on TV...This is Jay Lethal and the Acclaimed both...It is very jarring when all you see them do is lose unless you seek it out. I have used my wife as an example for awhile now as we have been together for 5 years now and she did not watch wrestling prior. She only watches the shows I have time to watch (raw, nxt, dynamite, smackdown, rampage)... We dont always hit every one every week and she certainly doesn't seek it out...With that said her biggest issues is always the wildly changing records (with only a ticker to update us) that do not seem to correlate on TV and the representation of these people from big deals fairly quickly to that lull period (Lethal, Ruby (who she loved in WWE), etc)... I freaked out when Jay Lethal signed and was showing her Black Machismo videos and everything else and this passion isnt translating if you only watch the main tv shows but again it's that slipperly slope of requiring your audience to do their homework. I understand Bookers point just like most things I post here it is well intentioned but badly phrased.
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Post by r. on Apr 20, 2022 10:23:35 GMT -5
...chuckled booker before accepting another WWE branded envelope marked 'paycheck'.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 20, 2022 10:28:56 GMT -5
Does Booker have any children that the WWE will be putting in their HOF next year?
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 20, 2022 11:33:16 GMT -5
"I don't know anything about the show, but it sucks and is beneath these people".
Thanks Booker.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 20, 2022 12:08:16 GMT -5
I think a lot of people just don’t have the time to watch it, so they’re frustrated if their favorites are stuck there. There’s so much big league wrestling out there now and only so much time to watch. Just with Raw, Smackdown, Dynamite and Rampage, there’s 8 hours of mainstream nationally broadcast wrestling per week. That’s not even including NXT if you choose to follow that as well. On the bright side of that, the shows are always there for you to watch. The entire Dark/Elavtation library is on there. If someone is a real big Ruby Soho fan or Shida fan. The match is there if you want to watch it. It’s not hard to pick and choose what on Dark if want to watch it. I don’t blame people who may not have the time. But it’s always there when you have the time. I don't know about anybody else, but it's hard for me to go back and watch wrestling once the first-run moment has passed. I can't get as invested in the match.
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