Did Tough Enough Succeed or Fail

[Hypnosis]

Apr 23, 2022 10:51:14 GMT -5 The Legend of Groose said:

So what you're asking is, was Tough Enough... Tough Enough?

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Apr 22, 2022 5:47:00 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

It's amazing that "SILENT RAGE" and "THE YETI" weren't natural born successes to wrestling, truly...

Also calling yourself THE YETI seems like a natural wrestling curse.

He was doing a damn wookie call. Maybe if he'd called himself The Wookie or something legally distinct he'd have got over!

[unc40]

Didn't the reason MTV canceled Tough Enough was because of the Bob Holly incident?

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Apr 25, 2022 9:53:59 GMT -5 unc40 said:

Didn't the reason MTV canceled Tough Enough was because of the Bob Holly incident?

I don’t think so, I think MTV decided to drop wrestling around that time. Sunday Night Heat moved to TNN around the same time

[fg]

Apr 20, 2022 16:27:28 GMT -5 Chiral said:

S I L E N T R A G E

Apr 20, 2022 16:24:16 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

It did give us The Boogeyman, so that was one success of the show.

"THIRTY!!!!!"

What happened to SILENT RAGE? I remember after the show they did a vignette hyping his debut and that was it.

[RadcapRadsley]

The USA Version brought in Stone Cold Steve Austin and was promoted endlessly on WWE programming and wasn't successful enough to pass the very low bar of ratings for a Basic cable reality tv show


When it was rebooted another time a few years later they brought in The Miz Chris Jericho,Daniel Bryan,Paige and Hollywood Hogan and it was promoted endlessly on WWE programming and wasn't successful enough to pass the very low bar of ratings for a Basic cable reality tv show.

As a tv show meant to sports entertain it was a failure.



Literally the only memorable moment in the show is the Alicia Foxxxxxxxx/Melina gif

[eJm]

Apr 22, 2022 7:20:16 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Anyone who came through it, good or bad, was never really the point. They'd have been good or bad regardless.

Nobody in the world seriously believes Tough Enough is the optimum way to create a pro wrestler, any more than the producers of The Apprentice believe that's how you find great business minds. They're entertainment shows.

But again, The Apprentice wasn't producing people that were going to be up front people that had to work on the respective industry week in and out after the show ended.

Well, the US Apprentice I have no idea about, the UK Apprentice had people work for Alan Sugar's companies and I'd frankly say a) none of them have ever lasted longer than a few months in those roles (so much so, the prize was changed to cash and Sugar partnering on your business idea, basically turning the show into the longest round of Dragon's Den ever) or b) none of them ever even became big enough celebrities after the show ended so in both senses, they're failures.

[floundertime]

If you compare Tough Enough to any other entertainment type competition it was a success I'd say. We got Miz and Morrison from it and a few others that had a cup of coffee. Compare it to other shows like this and you'll see. American Idol has had a few names from the start of the show but not much recently. The Voice, I don't know anyone that has made it big from there. I'm sure America's got talent had a hit in all the years, but who else did they produce?

This was an entertainment show and is on par with other shows.

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Apr 25, 2022 15:22:24 GMT -5 RadcapRadsley said:

The USA Version brought in Stone Cold Steve Austin and was promoted endlessly on WWE programming and wasn't successful enough to pass the very low bar of ratings for a Basic cable reality tv show


When it was rebooted another time a few years later they brought in The Miz Chris Jericho,Daniel Bryan,Paige and Hollywood Hogan and it was promoted endlessly on WWE programming and wasn't successful enough to pass the very low bar of ratings for a Basic cable reality tv show.

As a tv show meant to sports entertain it was a failure.



Literally the only memorable moment in the show is the Alicia Foxxxxxxxx/Melina gif

That is very much not the truth at all.

Go listen to the interview I posted a page of two previously , that season of tough enough was successful it was so successful infact it was what got Raw to go three hours because that was the whole purpose of that season was to be a testing ground for how well a 3rd hour of Raw would do hence why Tough Enough came on directly after Raw.

And Raw getting 3hrs is why it did not get another season.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

I remember how ridiculously flawed the last version of it was. When it came to who was voted off it was mainly determined by fan vote. As a result ZZ who was a heavy set loveable oaf type guy and Sara who was a sweet girl next door type would never get voted off despite being the least physically gifted and least equipped to be full time wrestlers would never get voted off. Which was no surprise since they came off as the nicest and most likeable of the group, people were going to vote for them over the tall jock meatheads and the stuck up fitness models (which included Mandy Rose who I guess apparently was egged on by the producers to act like a bitch because it would make for better TV). So basically would Sara and ZZ would constantly survive and keep getting ragged on the trainers every week because they weren't picking it up as quick as the more athletically inclined people they wanted to win.

Also you had Chelsea Green join about half way through the show as a fill in for someone who quit early which seemed very unfair to the other participants who were there from the start. Also unnecessary as well. Like if the one girl quit then why does that spot have to be filled? If she quits then whatever. She's eliminated and loses her spot on the show and you just go on. Why they felt the need to just throw someone else in there half way through made no sense.

[stoptheclocks]

Apr 25, 2022 15:27:30 GMT -5 eJm said:

Apr 22, 2022 7:20:16 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Anyone who came through it, good or bad, was never really the point. They'd have been good or bad regardless.

Nobody in the world seriously believes Tough Enough is the optimum way to create a pro wrestler, any more than the producers of The Apprentice believe that's how you find great business minds. They're entertainment shows.

But again, The Apprentice wasn't producing people that were going to be up front people that had to work on the respective industry week in and out after the show ended.

Well, the US Apprentice I have no idea about, the UK Apprentice had people work for Alan Sugar's companies and I'd frankly say a) none of them have ever lasted longer than a few months in those roles (so much so, the prize was changed to cash and Sugar partnering on your business idea, basically turning the show into the longest round of Dragon's Den ever) or b) none of them ever even became big enough celebrities after the show ended so in both senses, they're failures.

And yet, The Apprentice has been going for sixteen seasons with no sign of stopping. Because nobody cares, least of all the producers, what people go on to do after the show. At no point was the show, or Sugar, seriously trying to mould the next great businessman/woman.

[eJm]

Apr 25, 2022 16:15:29 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Apr 25, 2022 15:27:30 GMT -5 eJm said:

But again, The Apprentice wasn't producing people that were going to be up front people that had to work on the respective industry week in and out after the show ended.

Well, the US Apprentice I have no idea about, the UK Apprentice had people work for Alan Sugar's companies and I'd frankly say a) none of them have ever lasted longer than a few months in those roles (so much so, the prize was changed to cash and Sugar partnering on your business idea, basically turning the show into the longest round of Dragon's Den ever) or b) none of them ever even became big enough celebrities after the show ended so in both senses, they're failures.

And yet, The Apprentice has been going for sixteen seasons with no sign of stopping. Because nobody cares, least of all the producers, what people go on to do after the show. At no point was the show, or Sugar, seriously trying to mould the next great businessman/woman.

I mean, he was practically giving a random stranger access to a part of his company. That seems pretty serious to me, could be wrong there.

Whatever happened after the competition, regardless of intention or not, had nothing to do with what was being promoted, hence the prize change.

[Jonathan Michaels]

Apr 20, 2022 18:22:04 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I'm surprised Linda Miles/Shaniqua isn't brought up more in wrestling history.  People always make sure to bring up the Jackie Gayda match (which was mentioned in the Ruthless Aggression series) but it seems like Linda just skirts by when all accounts indicate her victory was absolutely baffling given a total lack of charisma and them just not even wanting her to even be in the ring.

Well, she was tall…….

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Apr 20, 2022 18:22:04 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

I'm surprised Linda Miles/Shaniqua isn't brought up more in wrestling history.  People always make sure to bring up the Jackie Gayda match (which was mentioned in the Ruthless Aggression series) but it seems like Linda just skirts by when all accounts indicate her victory was absolutely baffling given a total lack of charisma and them just not even wanting her to even be in the ring.

Well what's there really to talk about? I mean at least Gayda was involved in something memorable albeit for the wrong reasons. Miles I think had just a couple of matches where she just had to be big and throw a few girls around and mainly just served the Basham Brothers dominatrix valet for about six months and then was gone. She was there a real short time and while being far from good wasn't involved in anything super bad to remember her for.