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Post by The Legend of Groose on Apr 23, 2022 10:40:58 GMT -5
I'm just here waiting for the sandwiches...
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 23, 2022 10:45:20 GMT -5
Who is excited for the Shanky face run? ... Anyone? He's not that intimidating despite his size, so I wouldn't mind it, but WWE already split up one other mid-card heel tag team recently, which is overkill.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 23, 2022 10:51:10 GMT -5
There are really only a few circumstances under which you should do some kind of Beat the Clock gimmick: -You have a series of matches where the outcomes are genuinely in doubt, but the person in charge wants to push the wrestlers to win as quickly as possible, e.g. a group of submission wrestlers or hard hitting knockout artists are pushed to prove they're the quickest on the draw for whatever kayfabe reason. -You have a couple wrestlers fighting over who the best submission wrestlers/hardest hitter actually is (fair play, that works in a Charlotte vs. Ronda feud), but most importantly the people you have in there to lose are either pure enhancement/lower card comedy wrestlers that you can afford to job out quickly with no real repercussions or very young wrestlers who'd want the shot at the top talents in their division and can get over just by lasting x-number of minutes with the cream of the crop and putting up a decent fight. Literally anything else and there's either no kayfabe point in doing it at all, and/or you're actively sabotaging wrestlers you have under full time contract because you just told your audience "this losing loser is here to lose as quickly as possible, there's no reason to take them seriously now or in the future." Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder losing to main eventer Ronda? Perfectly fine. Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder but book her in a match where the entire gimmick is that she'll lose as quickly as possible to Ronda? You just buried Shotzi, and unless this will serve as a catalyst for her to make kayfabe changes so that something like this would never happen to her again there's no reason for the audience to ever take her seriously as a threat. Given this is WWE, it doesn't bode well. I’d say in terms of the main roster, Shotzi and Aaliyah fall under your rubric as very young wrestlers that just want a shot to mix it up with the top women. They’re pretty new to the main roster TV audience in terms of number of matches.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2022 10:57:30 GMT -5
Making your full timers look like crap, when your roster is thin to begin with, is just dumb.
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Post by msc on Apr 23, 2022 11:34:36 GMT -5
There are really only a few circumstances under which you should do some kind of Beat the Clock gimmick: -You have a series of matches where the outcomes are genuinely in doubt, but the person in charge wants to push the wrestlers to win as quickly as possible, e.g. a group of submission wrestlers or hard hitting knockout artists are pushed to prove they're the quickest on the draw for whatever kayfabe reason. -You have a couple wrestlers fighting over who the best submission wrestlers/hardest hitter actually is (fair play, that works in a Charlotte vs. Ronda feud), but most importantly the people you have in there to lose are either pure enhancement/lower card comedy wrestlers that you can afford to job out quickly with no real repercussions or very young wrestlers who'd want the shot at the top talents in their division and can get over just by lasting x-number of minutes with the cream of the crop and putting up a decent fight. Literally anything else and there's either no kayfabe point in doing it at all, and/or you're actively sabotaging wrestlers you have under full time contract because you just told your audience "this losing loser is here to lose as quickly as possible, there's no reason to take them seriously now or in the future." Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder losing to main eventer Ronda? Perfectly fine. Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder but book her in a match where the entire gimmick is that she'll lose as quickly as possible to Ronda? You just buried Shotzi, and unless this will serve as a catalyst for her to make kayfabe changes so that something like this would never happen to her again there's no reason for the audience to ever take her seriously as a threat. Given this is WWE, it doesn't bode well. I’d say in terms of the main roster, Shotzi and Aaliyah fall under your rubric as very young wrestlers that just want a shot to mix it up with the top women. They’re pretty new to the main roster TV audience in terms of number of matches. We're all going to look foolish when it turns out Shotzi dominated Ronda for an hour before losing due to interference from Bray Wyatt on a jetpack.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 23, 2022 12:06:03 GMT -5
There are really only a few circumstances under which you should do some kind of Beat the Clock gimmick: -You have a series of matches where the outcomes are genuinely in doubt, but the person in charge wants to push the wrestlers to win as quickly as possible, e.g. a group of submission wrestlers or hard hitting knockout artists are pushed to prove they're the quickest on the draw for whatever kayfabe reason. -You have a couple wrestlers fighting over who the best submission wrestlers/hardest hitter actually is (fair play, that works in a Charlotte vs. Ronda feud), but most importantly the people you have in there to lose are either pure enhancement/lower card comedy wrestlers that you can afford to job out quickly with no real repercussions or very young wrestlers who'd want the shot at the top talents in their division and can get over just by lasting x-number of minutes with the cream of the crop and putting up a decent fight. Literally anything else and there's either no kayfabe point in doing it at all, and/or you're actively sabotaging wrestlers you have under full time contract because you just told your audience "this losing loser is here to lose as quickly as possible, there's no reason to take them seriously now or in the future." Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder losing to main eventer Ronda? Perfectly fine. Want to have Shotzi as a midcarder but book her in a match where the entire gimmick is that she'll lose as quickly as possible to Ronda? You just buried Shotzi, and unless this will serve as a catalyst for her to make kayfabe changes so that something like this would never happen to her again there's no reason for the audience to ever take her seriously as a threat. Given this is WWE, it doesn't bode well. I’d say in terms of the main roster, Shotzi and Aaliyah fall under your rubric as very young wrestlers that just want a shot to mix it up with the top women. They’re pretty new to the main roster TV audience in terms of number of matches. That will come down to how it's presented. If there's pre-match promos that set up the motivations and characters involved it might be alright, but it should come across as the young wrestlers taking the initiative and being proactive to accept the match as a means to prove themselves. It's why I'd only really do it with very young wrestlers, like people whom the main audience hasn't seen before (e.g. if they called up Cora and Rok-C to fill those spots, that kind of new), because that's a good way to introduce people even if they lose a hard fought fight in barely over five minutes or something. I'm going to guess that won't be established, but I could certainly be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 12:29:04 GMT -5
Poor Shotzi.
Woman has a wholely unique act that could be huge if they actually got onboard with it but nope complete nothing fodder in a womens division that has a serious f***ing depth issue.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2022 12:43:31 GMT -5
She had ONE match on the MR where it worked. When she was a babyface against Charlotte where age was positioned as a legit threat to the latter.
The crowd got into her. So of course they turned her heel right after that and it’s fallen off a cliff after that.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 23, 2022 12:48:37 GMT -5
She had ONE match on the MR where it worked. When she was a babyface against Charlotte where age was positioned as a legit threat to the latter. The crowd got into her. So of course they turned her heel right after that and it’s fallen off a cliff after that. Obviously they didn't know what would happen later, but it was a spectacularly badly timed heel turn.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 23, 2022 15:33:05 GMT -5
I still think Shotzi’s unbelievably bad performance at the Survivor Series right after her turn is what left her dead in the water. She legit looked like a second day trainee out there
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2022 15:38:24 GMT -5
I hate the “beat the clock challenge” things and always have. There’s zero reason, especially with a thin division as it is, to make some of them look like total goobers just to continue a feud that has little heat as it is. Also if they feed Drew to Roman already, p**s off with that idea. I really hate beat the clock challenges. Especially cause like... if Shotzi or Aliyah wins... nothing happens... not that they WOULD but like in kayfabe there's a chance... Also if I was on that side why would I participate? They should do one of these where A. there's some incentive, like you at least get to take the person's spot if you win, or have someone spitefully intentionally waste time like running around the ring, etc. Even then, I guess you'd want to have the person have some incentive to do so.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2022 15:39:44 GMT -5
I really hate beat the clock challenges. Especially cause like... if Shotzi or Aliyah wins... nothing happens... not that they WOULD but like in kayfabe there's a chance... Also if I was on that side why would I participate? They should do one of these where A. there's some incentive, like you at least get to take the person's spot if you win, or have someone spitefully intentionally waste time like running around the ring, etc. Even then, I guess you'd want to have the person have some incentive to do so. I remember they did do a beat the clock once for a four way match and it was literally jsut the two matches... which makes some sense? But even then if it's for a bigger match... it should still be a decent length match... cause otherwise it's 1/2 of these people beat each other within a minute each >_>
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Post by Error on Apr 23, 2022 15:41:19 GMT -5
So Nakamura stands up for his friend, gets beaten up, and disappears? Okay.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2022 15:42:50 GMT -5
So Nakamura stands up for his friend, gets beaten up, and disappears? Okay. This is almost literally what happened last year again for Nak... great...
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 23, 2022 15:46:30 GMT -5
I still think Shotzi’s unbelievably bad performance at the Survivor Series right after her turn is what left her dead in the water. She legit looked like a second day trainee out there She's never been a great worker but calling her up to immediately turn her was setting her up to fail. She's almost never worked as a heel and that's a different style that someone on the greener side might not pick up right away. It they actually planned things out in advance, you turn her in NXT and let her grow into the role first. Or just don't turn her because her connection with the audience can make up for any work issues.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 23, 2022 15:47:53 GMT -5
So Nakamura stands up for his friend, gets beaten up, and disappears? Okay. I'm pretty sure WWE realised that nobody was buying Nakamura as having a hope in hell against Roman, and so decided to pull the plug on Nakamura/Reigns. Maybe it would have been a good idea to have Shinsuke win one of his previous 6 WWE title shots?
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Post by Error on Apr 23, 2022 15:52:54 GMT -5
So Nakamura stands up for his friend, gets beaten up, and disappears? Okay. I'm pretty sure WWE realised that nobody was buying Nakamura as having a hope in hell against Roman, and so decided to pull the plug on Nakamura/Reigns. Maybe it would have been a good idea to have Shinsuke win one of his previous 6 WWE title shots?
I'm not denying that, I just think that even doing that bit if you're going to ignore it like they are is stupid. Hell, at least have him run interference for RKBro at some point since the Usos were the main culprits.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 23, 2022 17:21:24 GMT -5
So Nakamura stands up for his friend, gets beaten up, and disappears? Okay. Even worse: he was in the lumberjack match and not once did he try to avenge getting beaten up by the Usos.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 17:34:38 GMT -5
God, what I'd give to have tank riding babyface Shotzi back in NXT.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 23, 2022 18:03:02 GMT -5
Are Shanky and Madcap Moss gonna team up to fight their former bosses? They’re gonna pool their pocket change to try to hire VEER to join the ex-boss hating brigade.
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