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Post by The Ichi on May 6, 2022 14:45:57 GMT -5
Like him or hate him, but I'll admit Earl Hebner was a master of stuff like this with Triple H. Triple H tried to shove him around, Hebner would shove him back and the crowd would go crazy. That's the only thing of Earl that refs should follow. Yeah, he's (rightly) called out for mugging for the camera too much at times, but we need more refs that can be hardasses like that in AEW. Too many are more like parents that gave up and just let the kids do whatever.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 6, 2022 15:00:31 GMT -5
If Tyson bit Holyfiled's ear off in an aew ring it would have been completely legal as long as he did so within a five count. Same with gouging out an eye. Basically all is legal as long as you don't do it for more than five seconds.
Even if you go with that stupid rule at least do something about repeat offenses.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 6, 2022 15:02:41 GMT -5
Aubrey should start reffing all her matches while wearing this. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Think you took a wrong turn, the weird objectification of women is NXT's deal.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 6, 2022 22:04:36 GMT -5
My biggest issue has just been the picking and choosing of when to enforce rules...Countouts are beyond confusing sometimes...They have went to break outside the ring with Danielson drinking water bottles and Punk running all around the arena without counting...Just more of a WTF than anything. My wife mostly calls out the constant chaos during tag matches though as the part that bugs her. Aubrey definitely get's so much crap for something so trivial as lipstick but there is some truth in the structuring of how they are presented. That’s driven me nuts about American wrestling for years now. The Japanese 20 count that CHIKARA and some others also used is much better. I think AEW even started with this but according to a 5 second exhaustive Google search it was quietly reduced to 10. With a slow but consistent 20 count wrestlers can do A LOT of stuff on the outside while at the same time people can still suspend disbelief. Because the count is slow but consistent. With inconsistent usually monstrously slow 10 counts fans have been conditioned by mainstream American wrestling not to care about the count out. We have the mindset of, “Well countouts never happen except when it’s super obvious it’s going to be a countout.” Now, I could see the argument that sometimes you need the wrestlers to have a wild brawl going all over the place while not having it be a NO DQ match. The easy fix to that problem for me is a simple ref bump.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2022 22:21:57 GMT -5
Only time I remember 20 counts in AEW is when they were specifically doing IWGP title matches. Though I prefer that over the American 10 count.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 22:23:09 GMT -5
If Tyson bit Holyfiled's ear off in an aew ring it would have been completely legal as long as he did so within a five count. Same with gouging out an eye. Basically all is legal as long as you don't do it for more than five seconds. Even if you go with that stupid rule at least do something about repeat offenses. Danielson probably realized he doesn't even have to do the "I HAVE UNTIL 5" anymore
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 0:20:59 GMT -5
My biggest issue has just been the picking and choosing of when to enforce rules...Countouts are beyond confusing sometimes...They have went to break outside the ring with Danielson drinking water bottles and Punk running all around the arena without counting...Just more of a WTF than anything. My wife mostly calls out the constant chaos during tag matches though as the part that bugs her. Aubrey definitely get's so much crap for something so trivial as lipstick but there is some truth in the structuring of how they are presented. I have been harping on this since Day 1 If you want to make referee discretion a thing, at least have rules about it or refs that are hardcore follow the rules while some are not. Let it be known refs are more lenient for title matches. Do something instead of them looking stupid
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 7, 2022 0:32:09 GMT -5
My biggest issue has just been the picking and choosing of when to enforce rules...Countouts are beyond confusing sometimes...They have went to break outside the ring with Danielson drinking water bottles and Punk running all around the arena without counting...Just more of a WTF than anything. My wife mostly calls out the constant chaos during tag matches though as the part that bugs her. Aubrey definitely get's so much crap for something so trivial as lipstick but there is some truth in the structuring of how they are presented. I have been harping on this since Day 1 If you want to make referee discretion a thing, at least have rules about it or refs that are hardcore follow the rules while some are not. Let it be known refs are more lenient for title matches. Do something instead of them looking stupid They have pointed out Refs are more lenient in title matches, outright saying "You can tell Aubrey didn't want to make a call there because this is a big title match, so it continues" Doing it more often isn't a bad idea.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 0:33:04 GMT -5
I have been harping on this since Day 1 If you want to make referee discretion a thing, at least have rules about it or refs that are hardcore follow the rules while some are not. Let it be known refs are more lenient for title matches. Do something instead of them looking stupid They have pointed out Refs are more lenient in title matches, outright saying "You can tell Aubrey didn't want to make a call there because this is a big title match, so it continues" Doing it more often isn't a bad idea. Except they are lenient all the time
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 7, 2022 0:33:30 GMT -5
If Tyson bit Holyfiled's ear off in an aew ring it would have been completely legal as long as he did so within a five count. Same with gouging out an eye. Basically all is legal as long as you don't do it for more than five seconds. Even if you go with that stupid rule at least do something about repeat offenses. I mean Mick Foley actually DID lose an ear in a wrestling match, and the match continued didn't it? And Vader got his eye gouged out at the literal start of a match with Stan Hanson and the match also continued... Wrestling referees have let a lot of shit go in history I guess, lol. Biting and eye gouging are very common heel things even throughout every company with the five count.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 7, 2022 0:35:41 GMT -5
They have pointed out Refs are more lenient in title matches, outright saying "You can tell Aubrey didn't want to make a call there because this is a big title match, so it continues" Doing it more often isn't a bad idea. Except they are lenient all the time I'd rather there be leniency than DQ's all the time, I do get that people can get frustrated on the other end of the spectrum with that too because they don't want the refs to look dopey or incompetent or act like they don't care, but I'd rally rather interferences happen than DQs. They just deflate the crowd these days outside of the rare times they've made it different, like CM Punk knocking Shawn Dean out to cost MJF a won Now, I am all for Refs throwing people ringside out who get caught at least once, or even do a warning system where once you're warned and twice you're thrown out. That'd be an easy way to do it, yellow/red card system.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 0:41:11 GMT -5
Except they are lenient all the time I'd rather there be leniency than DQ's all the time, I do get that people can get frustrated on the other end of the spectrum with that too because they don't want the refs to look dopey or incompetent or act like they don't care, but I'd rally rather interferences happen than DQs. They just deflate the crowd these days outside of the rare times they've made it different, like CM Punk knocking Shawn Dean out to cost MJF a won Now, I am all for Refs throwing people ringside out who get caught at least once, or even do a warning system where once you're warned and twice you're thrown out. That'd be an easy way to do it, yellow/red card system. That's my thing tho, if you are going to go all in on refs discretion and refs having names and calling them out, why not have them with their own personas that Aubrey is the down the middle ref who will be lenient during title matches but if you test her she will enforce the rules. Ref B is the total by the book ref and if you do anything out of line consider yourself finished. Ref C will let you things to go past the line that doesn't include outright rule breaking (ex involving weapons) You want a "real sports feel" then you can do a lot with the refs. No sports refs call the games the same and based upon who you can get for a game it changes the whole thing especially for something like baseball. This is an easy fix for AEW that has has been a problem for a while
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Post by lildude8218 on May 7, 2022 1:03:09 GMT -5
Have Jim Ross start criticizing the referees on commentary. Make it subtle at first and let it gradually build. Then one night he suddenly goes "That's IT! I've had enough of this bullshit" and he grabs a mic and heads down to the ring and disqualifies the referee. He starts reffing the refs. Matches keep ending in no contests because the officials are getting thrown out and not replaced. Havoc reigns over AEW.
Oh did I mention they brought Jimmy Havoc back at some point during this?
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on May 7, 2022 5:59:07 GMT -5
I hate the argument "well if the refs aren't lenient then we'd have DQs and countouts all the time" as if it's not on the wrestlers.
The wrestlers are the ones burying the refs. They could just not blatantly do illegal shit in front of the ref, or spend two seconds to break the count when brawling outside.
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Post by Burst on May 7, 2022 12:23:16 GMT -5
You want a "real sports feel" then you can do a lot with the refs. No sports refs call the games the same and based upon who you can get for a game it changes the whole thing especially for something like baseball. Seriously, if people think criticism of specific refs is bad in AEW, it's got nothing on criticism of specific umpires in MLB, both warranted and unwarranted. For a lot of the same things too, whether it's allegedly playing loose with rules interpretation, coming off as thin-skinned for ejecting players or managers on the flimsiest of excuses, or showboating and 'making it all about them'.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2022 12:54:13 GMT -5
Aubrey should start reffing all her matches while wearing this. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Think you took a wrong turn, the weird objectification of women is NXT's deal. I thought after the women wrestler pic/GIF page went away we got rid of the perverts and "bunkmates" or they went underground. Guess we were wrong g
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Post by Cyno on May 7, 2022 12:56:44 GMT -5
Perhaps AEW refs being fast and loose with the rules is intentional in order to contribute to a "real sports" presentation. At least none of the AEW refs comes close to being as bad as Angel Hernandez.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2022 13:09:55 GMT -5
Have Jim Ross start criticizing the referees on commentary. Make it subtle at first and let it gradually build. Then one night he suddenly goes "That's IT! I've had enough of this bullshit" and he grabs a mic and heads down to the ring and disqualifies the referee. He starts reffing the refs. Matches keep ending in no contests because the officials are getting thrown out and not replaced. Havoc reigns over AEW. Oh did I mention they brought Jimmy Havoc back at some point during this? Oh good lord hahaha will you stop
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 7, 2022 13:15:04 GMT -5
Reffing in wrestling in general makes no sense if you think too much about it. It's an industry wide thing which is why I've become somewhat numb to it. If you think about it, a lot of the rules make no sense. I've never seen someone DQ'd for raking the eyes but it's no questions asked a DQ if you low blow someone or use a weapon. My eyes matter just as much to me as my balls and I feel like both deserve protection. Or the fact that there's the whole five count. You could choke someone for four seconds, stop, then continue for four more seconds. Choking is basically legal, just in four second increments. I've always thought a yellow/red card system could solve some of this. Some fouls get you a yellow to warn you whereas others are straight DQs. In the status quo, there are fouls where you're DQ'd and others where the ref just yells at you without any actual consequences.
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Post by Cyno on May 7, 2022 13:21:32 GMT -5
Technically closed fist punches are supposed to be illegal and that never gets enforced. Which makes the once in a blue moon case where it does result in a DQ completely bizarre.
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