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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 5, 2022 8:37:11 GMT -5
This came into my head when watching that six man won by Danielson/Mox/Yuta yesterday. Just before the finish all three guys were in the ring beating the shit out of their opponents. The ref was in the middle of the ring trying to maintain order but just looked like a complete joke.
This has been an issue in WWE for decades now and honestly has been an issue with AEW since the company’s founding.
I know a lot of folks may chalk this up to, “Well this is just how wrestling is now. Get with it gramps!” but really a intimidating/respectable ref can change the whole dynamic of a match and open up all kinds of possibilities for fresh viewing.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 5, 2022 12:26:24 GMT -5
I wanna see a referee get distracted by the tap someone on their left shoulder while standing behind their right one trick.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 5, 2022 12:33:24 GMT -5
I wanna see a referee get distracted by the tap someone on their left shoulder while standing behind their right one trick. Next time a face has one member of a heel tag team pinned and the ref hasn’t noticed the other heel further distracts the ref by telling him to look down because he has something on his shirt. The ref does so and the heel…
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Post by Fade on May 5, 2022 12:39:58 GMT -5
AEW refs aren’t real; Don’t believe the lies, man.
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Post by Cyno on May 5, 2022 14:19:38 GMT -5
Aubrey does that but then you get people saying she's going into business for herself or other dumb shit.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 5, 2022 15:19:12 GMT -5
Aubrey does that but then you get people saying she's going into business for herself or other dumb shit. I think on the whole people like Aubrey best for that reason, though.
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Post by Burst on May 5, 2022 15:28:47 GMT -5
Aubrey does that but then you get people saying she's going into business for herself or other dumb shit. I hesitate to call this more residual WWE conditioning, but I do notice that there are definitely a good amount of fans who seem offended at the very idea of refs having distinct personalities or standing up to heel shenanigans. Aubrey, Remsburg, Knox, I've seen them all get accused of "trying to get over instead of the wrestlers" or some other BS like that. I mean, they've gotten over, AEW crowds pop for the refs more than I've seen literally any other promotion, and in terms of keeping a crowd hot and invested, I have no idea how that's a bad thing. Aside from that though, I do feel like AEW refs do have a sort of sliding scale of kayfabe accountability/respectability, with I think Aubrey and Turner towards the top as the most neutral/take the least shit refs, Bryce kind of in the middle, and then Knox as the easily distracted/probably paid off ref, and I think the way they're assigned to matches tends to reflect this.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on May 5, 2022 21:01:48 GMT -5
I just wanna see Rick Knox do a suicide dive on television at least once.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 6, 2022 0:19:57 GMT -5
Like him or hate him, but I'll admit Earl Hebner was a master of stuff like this with Triple H. Triple H tried to shove him around, Hebner would shove him back and the crowd would go crazy. That's the only thing of Earl that refs should follow.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 6, 2022 1:45:09 GMT -5
Aubrey should start reffing all her matches while wearing this. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 2:00:35 GMT -5
AEW refs aren’t real; Don’t believe the lies, man.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on May 6, 2022 2:05:24 GMT -5
Concept: Knife Ref. The ref who fights back.
Imagine if Kip Sabian's first match back he kept being disrespectful to authority and Knife Ref just handled him.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2022 4:20:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't be opposed to having a "tough" ref, but that's sort of a tightrope act. You'd probably want a veteran wrestler for that, but a veteran can also have a lot of busted joints and be slow to get down for pins, etc.
I do really like that Aubrey is more willing to get in a wrestler's face versus some of the others, and the some of the others have their quirks, too. Still, if they wanted to have sort of a rougher ref, it'd potentially be some variety if they had the right person for it. Might be a bit of a distraction, though.
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Post by Kalmia on May 6, 2022 5:01:24 GMT -5
I don't care if refs are looser with the rules as long as it's consistent and acknowledged. Let all six wrestlers fight in the ring - it's fun. Just acknowledge that it's happening because AEW refs have more autonomy and can let occasional rules slide if they choose to. Never make it look like things are happening because the refs have lost control.
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Post by salz4life on May 6, 2022 8:24:15 GMT -5
Aubrey does that but then you get people saying she's going into business for herself or other dumb shit. I actually like Aubrey but I understand when people say that because she is kind of over the top. I just think she really loves what she's doing and she is pretty damn good at it, IMO.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on May 6, 2022 9:03:17 GMT -5
The thing that drives me crazy is every time someone cheats behind Bryce's back, and then he goes around the ring with a stunned look on his face as he realizes he's been bamboozled...and then does nothing about it. I feel like that needs a payoff.
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Post by Lupin the Third on May 6, 2022 10:12:07 GMT -5
The thing that drives me crazy is every time someone cheats behind Bryce's back, and then he goes around the ring with a stunned look on his face as he realizes he's been bamboozled...and then does nothing about it. I feel like that needs a payoff. He gets sick of it, and hits one of the heels with a tombstone piledriver. RETURN OF THE UNDERBRYCE!!!
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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 6, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
I'm OK-ish with it if they acknowledge it and why.
Like with BCC vs. Butcher, Blade and Angelico - two of the one team were coming in to break up a pin, and the other team stopped them. And since it wasn't affecting the legal submission attempt, the ref decided to let it go.
And let's be real, we've had refs count pinfalls with pieces of shattered guitar all over the place for at least 20 years now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 6, 2022 13:47:07 GMT -5
The thing that drives me crazy is every time someone cheats behind Bryce's back, and then he goes around the ring with a stunned look on his face as he realizes he's been bamboozled...and then does nothing about it. I feel like that needs a payoff. my real problem with that is people have cheated and interfered directly in front of refs before and nothing has happened ... which just makes me wonder why they bother >_>
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 13:55:04 GMT -5
My biggest issue has just been the picking and choosing of when to enforce rules...Countouts are beyond confusing sometimes...They have went to break outside the ring with Danielson drinking water bottles and Punk running all around the arena without counting...Just more of a WTF than anything. My wife mostly calls out the constant chaos during tag matches though as the part that bugs her. Aubrey definitely get's so much crap for something so trivial as lipstick but there is some truth in the structuring of how they are presented.
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