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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 14:03:21 GMT -5
Boy, was this not really a good season
MMPR fatigue set in big and they really needed a fresh coat of paint and not that metallic armor BS they had. You can feel the series go down from Season 2 to Season 3 and S3 which includes Alien Rangers was just dragging along until they finally got to Zeo
I am sure other Captain remembers from the Twitch stream a few years ago how badly this shit dragged
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Post by thechase on May 7, 2022 14:47:15 GMT -5
I really don't have an issue with MMPR S3. Season Two had more problems once Tommy became the GOAT and everything was just total filler, even when Rita rejoined the cast.
In season three, s*it went down. The villains won a whole lot more, there were more story arcs and less filler, the Kimberly stuff was wild and they put their all into giving Amy Jo the best send-off of the original cast. The Aquitian Ranger stuff was only ten episodes and had less filler than people credit it with, since a lot of it was Zeo build.
Finally, that cliffhanger.
Season was lit.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 7, 2022 14:51:17 GMT -5
I really don't have an issue with MMPR S3. Season Two had more problems once Tommy became the GOAT and everything was just total filler, even when Rita rejoined the cast. In season three, s*it went down. The villains won a whole lot more, there were more story arcs and less filler, the Kimberly stuff was wild and they put their all into giving Amy Jo the best send-off of the original cast. The Aquitian Ranger stuff was only ten episodes and had less filler than people credit it with, since a lot of it was Zeo build. Finally, that cliffhanger. Season was lit. I actually just watched that a few days ago as the whole series is on Youtube now. That was indeed a great send off for her.
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Post by darbus alan on May 7, 2022 14:55:28 GMT -5
The most I remember from s3 was how shoddy the individual shogun zord toys were when they weren't part of the megazord.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 7, 2022 15:01:31 GMT -5
While we are at it. On the topic of the alien rangers. Was this another contract dispute with the cast except Billy, so they were written out for those 10 episodes until the finale?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 15:12:19 GMT -5
I hold a special resenment for MMPR S3 as it takes from my favourite sentai series and absoloutley f***ing just butchers it.
It is a season that feels absoloutley unnecessarry because IMO that is what it was to just keep dragging out MMPR because Sabans cheap ass did not want to move onto other adaptions untill he was FINALLY forced to.
And you really feel how bad it is like other captain and I did when they did the twitch marathon because MMPR was just running on fumes bat that point and the show needed a wholesale change which they mostly got with Zeo but it drags its ass getting there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 15:14:28 GMT -5
While we are at it. On the topic of the alien rangers. Was this another contract dispute with the cast except Billy, so they were written out for those 10 episodes until the finale? Nah wasn't any contract disputes from what I remember I think this was a case of Saban being cheap. He had footage he wanted to use, plus squeeze out more toys potentially before crossing over to Zeo
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 15:20:53 GMT -5
I hold a special resenment for MMPR S3 as it takes from my favourite sentai series and absoloutley f***ing just butchers it. It is a season that feels absoloutley unnecessarry because IMO that is what it was to just keep dragging out MMPR because Sabans cheap ass did not want to move onto other adaptions untill he was FINALLY forced to. And you really feel how bad it is like other captain and I did when they did the twitch marathon because MMPR was just running on fumes bat that point and the show needed a wholesale change which they mostly got with Zeo but it drags its ass getting there. S3 ran out of gas and it was apparent Saban was too damn cheap to do anything to really give it life and it dragged and when he saw the ratings was dipping they was forced to make a change which came with Zeo. Amy Jo got her send off but she really spent half the season in limbo anyway S3 is meh when watching it in isolation from other seasons but when you watch it in chronological order, you see the quality really dips
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Post by darbus alan on May 7, 2022 15:25:36 GMT -5
S2 was probably my favorite of the original mmpr run. Loved the Thunderzord designs. Also really liked Lord Zedd as a villian and Tommy's arc.
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Post by CMWaters on May 7, 2022 15:26:01 GMT -5
While we are at it. On the topic of the alien rangers. Was this another contract dispute with the cast except Billy, so they were written out for those 10 episodes until the finale? Budget saving measure and a test for Zeo. The Alien Rangers are actually the suits that the Season 3 Zords come from, so they could use more Sentai footage there. And since it worked out with those episodes, from Zeo onward, for the most part, they changed costumes with the Zords and didn't have to make new footage all the time.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 15:34:29 GMT -5
If they had properly adapted Kakuranger we would have gotten our first proper evil ranger team long before the Psycho Rangers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 15:36:34 GMT -5
While we are at it. On the topic of the alien rangers. Was this another contract dispute with the cast except Billy, so they were written out for those 10 episodes until the finale? Budget saving measure and a test for Zeo. The Alien Rangers are actually the suits that the Season 3 Zords come from, so they could use more Sentai footage there. And since it worked out with those episodes, from Zeo onward, for the most part, they changed costumes with the Zords and didn't have to make new footage all the time. Yeah you can imagine Saban was over the f***ing moon when Zeo came and he could use stock footage for days without having to use new shit like he had to for S2
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2022 15:42:02 GMT -5
S2 was probably my favorite of the original mmpr run. Loved the Thunderzord designs. Also really liked Lord Zedd as a villian and Tommy's arc. S2 was a good mix of using and old and new Still think one of the best things they did that they got wrong later is the fact you actually see them fight out their suits and the fight choreography was spaced out
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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 9, 2022 11:55:02 GMT -5
Season 3 was a different type of season for Power Rangers. I don't really see it as bad, since I love when shows use long-term continuity and MMPR S3 had that in spades.
Season 1 was very episodic, with the only real continuity being around Tommy. Season 2 stayed episodic, but added arcs that featured a bit of continuity to it. You can divide Season 2 into segments: the thirteen episodes that primarily focus on Lord Zedd as this new threat and being an extended send-off for the Green Ranger powers. After a few episodes of filler, Tommy returned as the White Ranger, which launched the second arc of the season, the lead-up to Jason, Zack and Trini leaving. After that, there was more filler until the Wedding, which was part of a series of multi-parters that brought the season to an end. The thing about that was, most of the episodes, even within the story arcs, were mostly self-contained, with not much carrying over from one episode to the next.
Season 3 took the ideas of season 2 and took it up to eleven. Even early in the season, they were hinting at Kimberly leaving the team, with her primarily being by herself during the opening three-parter, then the episode with her dreaming about the French mole monster. The series went into full-on serialization when Katherine came into the picture and didn't look back for the rest of the season. I love how there were actual stakes to the series and not just taking fight footage of the Rangers fighting a baseball themed monster and a giant worm and sticking in a plot where Tommy auditioned for a tv commercial. And even after Kim left and Kat took her spot, they added the Zeo Crystal plot and the Alien Rangers mini-series.
It's easy to call Saban cheap, but Power Rangers never had a huge-ass budget, yet they were getting new fight footage commissioned just for them, filming original fight scenes with characters from three different Sentai shows and doing a lot of splice fights that were not very visually appealing. And Season 3 might as well have just been it's own thing, because it basically was. I have a hard time buying into "the Saban was cheap" excuse because after the first half of season 2, the only Sentai footage they were using was for Zord fights. Hell, by the end of season 2 and going into season 3, they were even filming their own Zord fights!
As for them changing over to Zeo, I think the reason it had to happen was less to do with the budget (not to say that didn't play a role) and more to do with the fact that MMPR was passe by that point. It peaked with the movie, so a change was absolutely necessary. But look at how they actually planned it out. They set this up with a three-parter, then a ten episode epilogue season. Yes, the show was meant, primarily, to sell toys to kids, but Season 3 shows me that there was respect from the writers towards the long-term fans. It wasn't just "boom, you have new powers" (that was the next season!). They set up the power source, then they did a full story arc to show them harnessing that power source, while using extra Sentai footage to give the kids who were just there for the fights what they wanted. I don't call that cheap, I call that dedicated.
And what's more, unlike Season 1, where they squeezed every ounce of footage they could from Zyuranger, they didn't even adapt every episode of any subsequent Sentai after that. In many cases, they filmed original footage when the Sentai didn't have what they needed. Season 3 and Zeo were the evolution of Power Rangers and proof that you can film a kid's show on a budget and still be creative.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 9, 2022 11:58:18 GMT -5
Budget saving measure and a test for Zeo. The Alien Rangers are actually the suits that the Season 3 Zords come from, so they could use more Sentai footage there. And since it worked out with those episodes, from Zeo onward, for the most part, they changed costumes with the Zords and didn't have to make new footage all the time. Yeah you can imagine Saban was over the f***ing moon when Zeo came and he could use stock footage for days without having to use new shit like he had to for S2 Here's the thing, he didn't necessarily "have to" use original footage. They could've just adapted Dairanger wholesale and whatever happened, happened. But there likely wouldn't have been a season 3. By keeping the Zyuranger costumes, but changing to new villains and Zords, it was still MMPR. With different costumes for the Rangers, it would've been a different show entirely.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 9, 2022 12:03:16 GMT -5
If they had properly adapted Kakuranger we would have gotten our first proper evil ranger team long before the Psycho Rangers. Saban seemed to get cold feet about having an evil Rangers team for a long time. They had two episodes in season 1 with a monster turning Putties into Rangers, then the much-maligned Dark Rangers in Season 2, but they seemed to not want to truly go there for real. Even with the Psycho Rangers, these Rangers had clear monster forms and looked so different from the main team, they almost weren't even "rangers". Keep in mind, I'm not at the point in Kakuranger that you're referring to yet, so I don't actually know how that was handled in the Sentai. But the fact is, it wasn't until a Disney season that we had a team of true evil Rangers. Which makes me think Saban didn't want to blur that line, for whatever reason.
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Post by chazraps on May 9, 2022 12:04:27 GMT -5
They lose me in season 2 when Jason Zach and Trini were replaced. I still watched it, but it didn't become appointment television again until Zeo.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 9, 2022 12:34:50 GMT -5
This is hilarious timing, literally yesterday I was talking with my friend about how season 3 sucked but Zeo was awesome then turbo sucked and In Space was amazing.
They actually have a bit of the Star Trek movie trend going on with the Zordon era. Season 1 isn’t great, season 2 is awesome, season 3 sucks (and we don’t even need to acknowledge the movie) Zeo was awesome, Turbo sucked and In Space was the best series the ever did.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 12:39:16 GMT -5
This is hilarious timing, literally yesterday I was talking with my friend about how season 3 sucked but Zeo was awesome then turbo sucked and In Space was amazing. They actually have a bit of the Star Trek movie trend going on with the Zordon era. Season 1 isn’t great, season 2 is awesome, season 3 sucks (and we don’t even need to acknowledge the movie) Zeo was awesome, Turbo sucked and In Space was the best series the ever did. 2nd half of turbo is stellar. And I will die on the hill that TimeForce edges out In Space as the best series overall.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2022 12:59:34 GMT -5
2nd half of Turbo to end of In Space is probably their best stretch of TV they produced
Lost Galaxy ironically gets lost in the discussion but it wasn’t a bad season. Pretty average but held the line. Light speed Rescue dud bring it down a bit but Time Force is all time great
That started the great stretch of Time Force to SPD
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