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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 29, 2022 13:45:04 GMT -5
I mean, the thing about the grifters is that they do have a strong case for being somewhat right even if they're obviously doing it for clicks and are prejudiced. They're tapping into a sentiment that's already there and has been boiling over for a while, even dating back to before Endgame. Ask a number of people and they're wising up to the reality The MCU is just trash these days, is that because of the female leads? No, it's because the writing is abysmal and every character is played for laughs with minimal risk or tension in the storytelling. This is a problem the MCU have had long before it became popular to call it out on this. That's also always been Marvel Studio's MO from day one. I mean, Tony Stark was cracking wise about cheeseburgers and transvestites immediately after being held hostage in a cave for three months. These movies offer mild peril and fun spectacles, and generally save the more serious consequences for the big event pictures. If that hasn't sunk in after 14 years, what are we still doing here? I'm not going to deny the overall quality since Endgame has fluctuated. The rumours of Kevin Feige being stretched too thin have some credence, given he's gone from overseeing three or four movies per year to being responsible for the entire movie, TV, and comic book divisions. It's a big job and perhaps they need somebody to step up as his lieutenants of each of those branches.
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Post by lucastyler on Sept 29, 2022 13:46:34 GMT -5
If they have substantial followings then Marvel shouldn't be going out of their way to piss off their own audience. I don't think attacking the fandom is smart and neither do I think constantly changing the source material is a wise move. Things are popular for a reason. I also think you are greatly exaggerating the reason why those people make those videos. It's often nothing to do with female characters or POC but more the diviation from the source material but thats a whole different topic. . Your mask is starting to come off. Not entirely sure what you mean, my mask I wear outside for Covid? I'm not wearing that right now. Or are you going to try and label me as something because I have an opinion different to you? Either way your comment is unecessary.
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Post by lucastyler on Sept 29, 2022 13:51:51 GMT -5
So you are not familiar with stories about her and her supporting cast and want to complain that a series where she and they are the main focus? Yes that's the show we are discussing And you complain that she is not kicking ass? [/quote] I know right, in a show called She Hulk, crazy to expect more ass kicking, forgive me. [/quote] Did you hate half of Daredevils series when he is doing lawyer stuff?[/quote] Absolutely not that was compelling, do you find the lawyer stuff here to be of the same standard? [/quote] Only men being bashed are whiny internet incel losers. And maybe frat boy magicians. As another poster stated you ignore all of the positive men on the show.[/quote] Perhaps it's because the majority of men being portrayed are coming across like that, I dunno seems a bit too full on for me. If the gender roles in the show were flipped and all the women were portrayed in that way what do you think the reaction would be? Seriously imagine it for a moment, sure there have been some positive male characters I guess but heck we just had Josh turn heel so who knows. [/quote] And you sound like Star Trek “fans” who complain about the recent stars and Star Trek going “woke”.[/quote] Not a Star Trek fan, but I can tell you my Trekkie friends all hold DS9 in the highest regard, remember the one with Sisko as the lead? [/quote] When the show was always “woke”, always making statements, always about something. MCU and movies/tv have always had messages. Those can just be digested better by some people when there is a straight, white man as the main character. [/quote] Brilliant, I didn't use the term woke nor bring race into it at all. Do you even know my ethnicity? What my favorite shows are? What movies I like? So because I have issues with this show I must immediately be some basement dwelling white guy who hates anything with women and POC. I think you have basically shown the issue I have with where modern entertainment is going. We can't even debate the good and bad of the show without questioning someones reasons being political. We gotta immediatel assume they only enjoy things with white straight men as the main character. Anyway back to the show, gotta admit episode 7 got a few laughs outta me. Still feel this show was a massive missed opportunity though. [/quote] Who brought race into it? You. I simply use Star Trek and "fans" complaining about it becoming "woke" to point out that you complain about something changing that was always there. Specifically shows being more than entertainment. Shows being about something more is nothing new. One of She Hulks messages is about being a modern woman and dealing with toxic men.
Dardevil was a much better lawyer show than She Hulk. It was also an hour drama not a half hour sitcom. The Practice was also a better lawyer show than Trial and Error. T&E and She Hulk are also much funnier though.
As for the portrayal of men seems true to life to me. Lots of decent ones out there but the loud, obnoxious, toxic ones make themselves the center of attention.
And back to first complaint. You complaint boils down to She Hulk is not being portrayed as essentially a supporting character in someone elses story, in her own series.
[/quote] I don't believe that was my complaint at all, I said I was still watching because I was waiting for Daredevil to show up, but now I think about it, it's more because I don't like to quit something once I started and it's only 30mins each week. I actually wanted a kick ass She Hulk show, the first episode made me feel we might get that but sadly not IMO. Anyway, glad you enjoy it and sorry about screwing up the quotes.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 29, 2022 14:01:41 GMT -5
What's more the undercurrent of men bashing and especially taking swipes at so called "basement dwelling nerds" the people who's hard earned money is the very reason there is an MCU to begin with, leaves me cold and to be honest offended. I can see from the posts in here though that some people are actually enjoying the show and getting a kick out of the attacks on fandom which is quite puzzling to be honest and clearly not a good business model for the MCU. The show is taking shots at the types of people who leech off the popularity of the MCU and other big IP, namely the (primarily) YouTube grifters who post videos with thumbnails like this: They and their substantial audiences are the kinds of people Marvel are quite openly mocking, because why bother trying to appease people who have no interest In being appeased? Or, worse, appease those who would rather have female characters reduced to little more than background eye candy and POC and minority characters all but eliminated? I just want to say I appreciate you putting together those images to show to everyone. I always forget to clean up my cookies and I would hate to see the targeted ads I would end up with if I searched them out.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 29, 2022 14:03:23 GMT -5
Marvel has ruined the so called source material worse than the MCU could ever dream of. How many times in the past decade have they dicked around with retconning the origins of Iron Man, Thor and Cap? Comics in general from the big 2 absolutely require some canon dickery in order to remain halfway functional, especially as it relates to the timescale. Unless we're still going to somehow roll with the fact that Reed Richards and Ben Grimm are WWII vets, pushing the limits of Magneto being able to have been in a concentration camp without being absolutely elderly, that kind of thing. Hell, for that matter... the OG retcon is probably "Flash of Two Worlds!" which gave the DC Universe the multiverse to play with. They've been tapping that well like it's been going out of style for over 60 years now. While we're at it, you read any Superman in the past couple of years? Doomsday Clock retcons a looooooot Superman lore. I won't spoil it in the off chance someone's been interested and just hasn't read it yet, but take it from me... getting wrapped up in canon too hard is a great way to ruin your fandom. Now, back to the MCU and canon adaptation. I can't imagine what a task it is to condense 60 (sometimes more than that) years worth of something 2.5 hour movie. I just can't. The MCU hits the broad strokes and modernizes when appropriate or necessary. It's honestly kind of a miracle they pull it off as well as they do. Except that isn’t what I’m referring to. I mean Tony Stark’s parents totally not being his parents he was adopted. Hydra Cap is totally the real Steve Rogers and doubling and tripling down on it. Thor is really the offspring of the Phoenix Force.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 29, 2022 14:14:23 GMT -5
I just want to say I appreciate you putting together those images to show to everyone. I always forget to clean up my cookies and I would hate to see the targeted ads I would end up with if I searched them out. Safe to say, I cleaned my browser and made sure my adblock was running.
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Post by chrom on Sept 29, 2022 14:22:42 GMT -5
Comics in general from the big 2 absolutely require some canon dickery in order to remain halfway functional, especially as it relates to the timescale. Unless we're still going to somehow roll with the fact that Reed Richards and Ben Grimm are WWII vets, pushing the limits of Magneto being able to have been in a concentration camp without being absolutely elderly, that kind of thing. Hell, for that matter... the OG retcon is probably "Flash of Two Worlds!" which gave the DC Universe the multiverse to play with. They've been tapping that well like it's been going out of style for over 60 years now. While we're at it, you read any Superman in the past couple of years? Doomsday Clock retcons a looooooot Superman lore. I won't spoil it in the off chance someone's been interested and just hasn't read it yet, but take it from me... getting wrapped up in canon too hard is a great way to ruin your fandom. Now, back to the MCU and canon adaptation. I can't imagine what a task it is to condense 60 (sometimes more than that) years worth of something 2.5 hour movie. I just can't. The MCU hits the broad strokes and modernizes when appropriate or necessary. It's honestly kind of a miracle they pull it off as well as they do. Except that isn’t what I’m referring to. I mean Tony Stark’s parents totally not being his parents he was adopted. Hydra Cap is totally the real Steve Rogers and doubling and tripling down on it. Thor is really the offspring of the Phoenix Force. Hydra Cap was the stupidest thing I ever heard of in Comics.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 29, 2022 14:43:29 GMT -5
I just want to say I appreciate you putting together those images to show to everyone. I always forget to clean up my cookies and I would hate to see the targeted ads I would end up with if I searched them out. Safe to say, I cleaned my browser and made sure my adblock was running. Wish I thought of that before browsing certain Twitter feeds. I went with popcorn for the roasting and now get emails pushing feeds for people I can’t stand. Thanks Twitter.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 29, 2022 15:27:25 GMT -5
If they have substantial followings then Marvel shouldn't be going out of their way to piss off their own audience. I don't think attacking the fandom is smart and neither do I think constantly changing the source material is a wise move. Things are popular for a reason. I also think you are greatly exaggerating the reason why those people make those videos. It's often nothing to do with female characters or POC but more the diviation from the source material but thats a whole different topic. They're charlatans and trolls who make their living off outrage bait. They absolutely deserve to be mocked. As for deviation from the source material... the source material retcons itself at least twice every decade anyway, so that's a pretty flat argument. We have seen what happens when you try to appease these morons. You end up pouring money into a 4 hour cut that is only mildly improved. As in more consistent, still not entertaining or fun. And the morons still trash you, pirate instead of pay, and demand more and more concessions. Treat these people like terrorists. No negotiation, no concessions, no mercy. Ignore them until they become too loud then mock them and laugh at their impotence. Because no matter what they claim Marvel is rolling along just fine. Cant wait until BP2 kicks Avatar 2s ass.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 29, 2022 15:39:20 GMT -5
Because no matter what they claim Marvel is rolling along just fine. And that's the thing. As much as they cry that the sky is falling and Marvel are failing, in the past ten months Spidey made $2 billion at the box office, Doctor Strange made $950 million, and Thor made $760 million. The Disney+ shows pull strong viewing figures, and the home video sales routinely dominate the charts. The vast majority of their audience is clearly still engaged and demanding more. What motivation do Marvel have to change anything when Plan A is still working?
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Post by Cyno on Sept 29, 2022 15:59:52 GMT -5
. Your mask is starting to come off. Not entirely sure what you mean, my mask I wear outside for Covid? I'm not wearing that right now. Or are you going to try and label me as something because I have an opinion different to you? Either way your comment is unecessary. You're doing a fine job of labeling yourself. My dog is currently howling at your whistles.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 29, 2022 16:39:42 GMT -5
Because no matter what they claim Marvel is rolling along just fine. And that's the thing. As much as they cry that the sky is falling and Marvel are failing, in the past ten months Spidey made $2 billion at the box office, Doctor Strange made $950 million, and Thor made $760 million. The Disney+ shows pull strong viewing figures, and the home video sales routinely dominate the charts. The vast majority of their audience is clearly still engaged and demanding more. What motivation do Marvel have to change anything when Plan A is still working? “Black Panther sucks. The only white guy is a joke!” (he was not, just out of his depth). Makes a billion. “Captain Marvel sucks. Brie Larson is so unlikeable!” Makes a billion. Seems like the best business decision is to listen to these idiots and do whatever will piss them off the most.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 29, 2022 16:55:02 GMT -5
And that's the thing. As much as they cry that the sky is falling and Marvel are failing, in the past ten months Spidey made $2 billion at the box office, Doctor Strange made $950 million, and Thor made $760 million. The Disney+ shows pull strong viewing figures, and the home video sales routinely dominate the charts. The vast majority of their audience is clearly still engaged and demanding more. What motivation do Marvel have to change anything when Plan A is still working? “Black Panther sucks. The only white guy is a joke!” (he was not, just out of his depth). Makes a billion. “Captain Marvel sucks. Brie Larson is so unlikeable!” Makes a billion. Seems like the best business decision is to listen to these idiots and do whatever will piss them off the most. Ahhh…the “Ike Perlmutter Model” that would have killed the MCU before it began. Funny thing is most of us have no beef with anyone that dislikes some of their content. Hell I have my own issues with their recent content. I just don’t get people wasting their lives online making that their hill to die on. It’s flooded around my vehicle and I missed two days of work around rent time because of a hurricane. Know what’s not my top priority? Worrying about f***ing She-Hulk actually being goofy as shit which is on brand for the series it was based on. I swear some of these people would be on fire and still find time to bitch just to bitch instead of…I dunno…just don’t watch if it’s not your thing? Wait until we get goofy Daredevil and they go into overdrive.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 29, 2022 17:08:52 GMT -5
I’ve said this before, but I’m torn over this show. I watch it because She-Hulk’s one of my favorite characters, but it also heavily borrows from two comic book runs I’m not a fan of. I don’t like Byrne’s over the top humor that he used during his run and Dan Slott just sucks in general. It’s probably still too new for the show to use, but I really like Rainbow Rowell’s current She-Hulk comic and wish they’d have borrowed more from it. It feels more down to earth, homey and romanced based.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 29, 2022 17:10:09 GMT -5
“Black Panther sucks. The only white guy is a joke!” (he was not, just out of his depth). Makes a billion. “Captain Marvel sucks. Brie Larson is so unlikeable!” Makes a billion. Seems like the best business decision is to listen to these idiots and do whatever will piss them off the most. Ahhh…the “Ike Perlmutter Model” that would have killed the MCU before it began. Funny thing is most of us have no beef with anyone that dislikes some of their content. Hell I have my own issues with their recent content. I just don’t get people wasting their lives online making that their hill to die on. It’s flooded around my vehicle and I missed two days of work around rent time because of a hurricane. Know what’s not my top priority? Worrying about f***ing She-Hulk actually being goofy as shit which is on brand for the series it was based on. I swear some of these people would be on fire and still find time to bitch just to bitch instead of…I dunno…just don’t watch if it’s not your thing? Wait until we get goofy Daredevil and they go into overdrive. I would love to see a Karl Kesel Daredevil. Fun and kind of goofy but serious when it needs to be.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 29, 2022 17:36:23 GMT -5
They make those videos for outrage clicks and the ad revenue that brings. That's it. I'll cut to the chase, they're also whiny, pissy little shitbags too
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 29, 2022 17:56:30 GMT -5
Funny thing is most of us have no beef with anyone that dislikes some of their content. Hell I have my own issues with their recent content. I just don’t get people wasting their lives online making that their hill to die on. It’s flooded around my vehicle and I missed two days of work around rent time because of a hurricane. Know what’s not my top priority? Worrying about f***ing She-Hulk actually being goofy as shit which is on brand for the series it was based on. I swear some of these people would be on fire and still find time to bitch just to bitch instead of…I dunno…just don’t watch if it’s not your thing? Wait until we get goofy Daredevil and they go into overdrive. Exactly. There's been almost 30 movies and a dozen TV shows of questionable degrees of canonicity, not everything is going to appeal to everybody. I'm more forgiving of Marvel's flaws than most, but even I haven't watched half of the TV shows prior to Marvel Studios taking over, and in the Disney+ era neither Moon Knight nor Ms Marvel really hooked me enough to push through till the end. And that's okay.Maybe those characters will show up in something else that I enjoy more, maybe they won't, but Marvel aren't holding a gun to my head forcing me to watch and I'm not going to demand they make changes to satisfy my wants.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 29, 2022 18:27:05 GMT -5
And that's the thing. As much as they cry that the sky is falling and Marvel are failing, in the past ten months Spidey made $2 billion at the box office, Doctor Strange made $950 million, and Thor made $760 million. The Disney+ shows pull strong viewing figures, and the home video sales routinely dominate the charts. The vast majority of their audience is clearly still engaged and demanding more. What motivation do Marvel have to change anything when Plan A is still working? “Black Panther sucks. The only white guy is a joke!” (he was not, just out of his depth). Makes a billion. “Captain Marvel sucks. Brie Larson is so unlikeable!” Makes a billion. Seems like the best business decision is to listen to these idiots and do whatever will piss them off the most. The Black Panther comment is legit a bullshit comment, but calling Brie Larson unlikable is enough to get you thrown into the incel troll crowd? Well f***, better shave my beard so that it only covers my neck because I think she comes across as incredibly unlikable in the MCU and I wasn’t a big fan of her solo movie. I must be the most conflicted racist incel ever, because I’m excited for The Marvels. I think Kamala Khan is f***ing awesome in the MCU
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Post by Cyno on Sept 29, 2022 18:37:27 GMT -5
If you don't like Brie Larson's acting performance in Captain Marvel, that's one thing. If you nerd rage about Brie Larson being a woke feminiazi because she suggested that critics of color should be the primary voices listened to about movies mostly made by and for people of color, you might be a racist scumbag.
If you want to dunk on Brie Larson for getting involved with a NFT grift that is completely valid.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 29, 2022 19:08:31 GMT -5
If you don't like Brie Larson's acting performance in Captain Marvel, that's one thing. If you nerd rage about Brie Larson being a woke feminiazi because she suggested that critics of color should be the primary voices listened to about movies mostly made by and for people of color, you might be a racist scumbag. If you want to dunk on Brie Larson for getting involved with a NFT grift that is completely valid.
Right. You can hate on Brie, that’s absolutely fine. It depends on how and why you hate on Brie. If you are hissing like a vampire in the sunlight at the mere mention of Brie Lardon’s name, you’re…probably an asshole.
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