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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 13, 2022 8:59:47 GMT -5
I think the only thing I didn’t like about the finale was {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Emil being revealed to break his parole agreement for financial gain of all things. I really had hoped he was on the straight and narrow, so that was a disappointment for me. Other than that I really liked this finale. I was at first, but I'm thinking about it and liking it a bit more. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}He is reformed, a new person, but there's still an asshole inside and he can do bad things at times. It wasn't part of some big plan, it was just another self help gig he hadn't thought through the consequences of, as soon as things went south he tried to calm it down. He's a bad guy trying to do better, but still bad. Would I have done a finale like that? Probably not, trimmed the meta stuff a tad, had Josh there being arrested as some comeuppance but I liked it and had a lot of fun. Really felt for Pug, exactly how I'd have been in the middle of that meeting lol
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 13, 2022 9:08:54 GMT -5
I think the only thing I didn’t like about the finale was {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Emil being revealed to break his parole agreement for financial gain of all things. I really had hoped he was on the straight and narrow, so that was a disappointment for me. Other than that I really liked this finale. I was at first, but I'm thinking about it and liking it a bit more. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}He is reformed, a new person, but there's still an asshole inside and he can do bad things at times. It wasn't part of some big plan, it was just another self help gig he hadn't thought through the consequences of, as soon as things went south he tried to calm it down. He's a bad guy trying to do better, but still bad. Would I have done a finale like that? Probably not, trimmed the meta stuff a tad, had Josh there being arrested as some comeuppance but I liked it and had a lot of fun. Really felt for Pug, exactly how I'd have been in the middle of that meeting lol {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Way I see it Emil realized that having 7 soulmates was too much so he made arrangements with Wong to get arrested then rescued. I mostly enjoyed it. 4th wall stuff was a bit much. True to the comics but I didnt like it that much there either.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 13, 2022 9:28:17 GMT -5
I was at first, but I'm thinking about it and liking it a bit more. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}He is reformed, a new person, but there's still an asshole inside and he can do bad things at times. It wasn't part of some big plan, it was just another self help gig he hadn't thought through the consequences of, as soon as things went south he tried to calm it down. He's a bad guy trying to do better, but still bad. Would I have done a finale like that? Probably not, trimmed the meta stuff a tad, had Josh there being arrested as some comeuppance but I liked it and had a lot of fun. Really felt for Pug, exactly how I'd have been in the middle of that meeting lol {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Way I see it Emil realized that having 7 soulmates was too much so he made arrangements with Wong to get arrested then rescued. I mostly enjoyed it. 4th wall stuff was a bit much. True to the comics but I didnt like it that much there either. It’s not really true to the comic anymore. She-Hulk hasn’t used that level of fourth wall breaking since John Byrne wrote her from 1989-1993. Her fourth wall breaking in comics now is much more toned down.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 13, 2022 9:32:40 GMT -5
I didn’t like that, at all. They built up two months worth of plot just to throw it all away with a overlong fourth wall joke. Nothing actually mattered and they relied on guest stars to end the show. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The plot of the show was Jen's personal growth, finding the balance between being herself and being She-Hulk. Early on she thinks she's got a handle on it, realises things aren't so simple, and through her experiences at Blonsky's retreat and interactions with Matt finally figures it out. This episode is her putting what she learned into practice. The subplot with the internet trolls is little more than a reverse-trolling on Marvel's part, a not-so-subtle "f*** you" the real-life dickheads thinking they're hot shit because Marvel wrote them as the supposed antagonists of an entire show only for the plot to get dropped because they don't actually matter and never have. Then screw Marvel for that. The internet trolls and how She-Hulk was going to solve her issues with then was something I got interested in. As much as I enjoy She-Hulk as a character, they essentially my time with the plot I actually cared about because they wanted to be funny.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 13, 2022 9:34:48 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The plot of the show was Jen's personal growth, finding the balance between being herself and being She-Hulk. Early on she thinks she's got a handle on it, realises things aren't so simple, and through her experiences at Blonsky's retreat and interactions with Matt finally figures it out. This episode is her putting what she learned into practice. The subplot with the internet trolls is little more than a reverse-trolling on Marvel's part, a not-so-subtle "f*** you" the real-life dickheads thinking they're hot shit because Marvel wrote them as the supposed antagonists of an entire show only for the plot to get dropped because they don't actually matter and never have. Then screw Marvel for that. The internet trolls and how She-Hulk was going to solve this was something I got interested in. As much as I enjoy She-Hulk as a character, they wastes my time with the plot I actually cared about. I mean... we see how it's resolved. She's not giving into what they think or want and is suing them all since punching won't solve this.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 13, 2022 9:36:01 GMT -5
Then screw Marvel for that. The internet trolls and how She-Hulk was going to solve this was something I got interested in. As much as I enjoy She-Hulk as a character, they wastes my time with the plot I actually cared about. I mean... we see how it's resolved. She's not giving into what they think or want and is suing them all since punching won't solve this. All that build up for, a 5 second “I’ll see you in court.”
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Oct 13, 2022 9:40:30 GMT -5
I thought it was great! Poor Pug. Also I love Jen's family.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 13, 2022 9:40:41 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Way I see it Emil realized that having 7 soulmates was too much so he made arrangements with Wong to get arrested then rescued. I mostly enjoyed it. 4th wall stuff was a bit much. True to the comics but I didnt like it that much there either. It’s not really true to the comic anymore. She-Hulk hasn’t used that level of fourth wall breaking since John Byrne wrote her from 1989-1993. Her fourth wall breaking in comics now is much more toned down. Yes well I doubt when X Men comes out they will have an island nation and can resurrect people at will. The MCU is not about what the comics are doing now. They are about taking the best or most well known and doing their version of it.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 13, 2022 9:45:00 GMT -5
I mean... we see how it's resolved. She's not giving into what they think or want and is suing them all since punching won't solve this. All that build up for, “I’ll see you in court.” Yup. Personally, I like those kinds of "reality ensues" endings. Start of the episode showed that going Hulk played right into their hands, this'll hurt them more. Might have written it a bit different, but that's a great end point.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 13, 2022 9:48:37 GMT -5
All that build up for, “I’ll see you in court.” Yup. Personally, I like those kinds of "reality ensues" endings. Start of the episode showed that going Hulk played right into their hands, this'll hurt them more. Might have written it a bit different, but that's a great end point. I rather have seen a full episode where she actually deals with them in court, but we got the quick brush off instead. They cared more about sticking it to the internet trolls then the actual viewers. Also it’s starting to get a little annoying that someone gets jumped on the minute they don’t like something the MCU did.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 13, 2022 9:53:27 GMT -5
It’s not really true to the comic anymore. She-Hulk hasn’t used that level of fourth wall breaking since John Byrne wrote her from 1989-1993. Her fourth wall breaking in comics now is much more toned down. Yes well I doubt when X Men comes out they will have an island nation and can resurrect people at will. The MCU is not about what the comics are doing now. They are about taking the best or most well known and doing their version of it. I was agreeing with your initial point, way to be a dick. Most well known doesn’t always mean best. They took a lot from Dan Slott’s She-Hulk and yet Dan Slott is generally considered a bad writer. Also, for not being about what the comics are doing now, they sure don’t mind altering the current comics to match up with some of their MCU changes.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 13, 2022 9:55:33 GMT -5
Yup. Personally, I like those kinds of "reality ensues" endings. Start of the episode showed that going Hulk played right into their hands, this'll hurt them more. Might have written it a bit different, but that's a great end point. I rather have seen a full episode where she actually deals with them in court, but we got the quick brush off instead. They cared more about sticking it to the internet trolls then the actual viewers. Also it’s starting to get a little annoying that someone gets jumped on the minute they don’t like something the MCU did. Don't see where you're getting jumped on, just pointed out that we do know what happened and said I'm happy with the way it is, you're not, you do you. I'd have preferred a bit more to it too, but I'm happy enough as is.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 13, 2022 10:10:44 GMT -5
Yes well I doubt when X Men comes out they will have an island nation and can resurrect people at will. The MCU is not about what the comics are doing now. They are about taking the best or most well known and doing their version of it. I was agreeing with your initial point, way to be a dick. Most well known doesn’t always mean best. They took a lot from Dan Slott’s She-Hulk and yet Dan Slott is generally considered a bad writer. Also, for not being about what the comics are doing now, they sure don’t mind altering the current comics to match up with some of their MCU changes. Any dickishness is all in your reading of it. Well known is where they start. They improved on Civil War, Winter Soldier, the SHIELD/HYDRA revelation, Falcon becoming Cap, etc. Whatever the popular opinion of those writers most would agree the MCU versions are improved. And as for the comics changing for the movies that is all on the comics. They spent decades running off their readers leaving a base of ever older and slowly dying off hardcores. They chase the films hoping to try and attract some new blood. Disney isnt forcing them to do it. As long as they break even and generate new ideas for the MCU to improve on they are allowed to go on.
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Post by schma on Oct 13, 2022 10:23:52 GMT -5
I enjoyed the finale. It was not what I was expecting but it worked for this show. I might have trimmed some of the meta stuff as others mentioned but it was still entertaining. I do enjoy thirsty Jen. I also kind of enjoyed that the finale allowed them to address some of the criticisms aimed at the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 10:58:41 GMT -5
Just as my own final little thought on this show as a whole IMO Wandavision did what this show tried to do with implementing sitcom elements much better than She Hulk did.
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Post by Renslayer on Oct 13, 2022 12:38:34 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}"A woman has needs" was hysterical and k.e.v.i.n. having to begrudgingly accept her point made it even better. I had fun with the finale!
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Post by Cyno on Oct 13, 2022 13:57:27 GMT -5
Yup. Personally, I like those kinds of "reality ensues" endings. Start of the episode showed that going Hulk played right into their hands, this'll hurt them more. Might have written it a bit different, but that's a great end point. I rather have seen a full episode where she actually deals with them in court, but we got the quick brush off instead. They cared more about sticking it to the internet trolls then the actual viewers. Also it’s starting to get a little annoying that someone gets jumped on the minute they don’t like something the MCU did. Two people mildly disagreeing with you is not being "jumped on."
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 13, 2022 14:23:56 GMT -5
Such a fun little series.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 13, 2022 14:28:28 GMT -5
Dan Slott is not considered a bad writer by a significant group of people, definitely not Marvel or he wouldn't be the guy who's written more of their flagship character than anyone in history.
His She Hulk was great too
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Post by Legion on Oct 13, 2022 14:32:11 GMT -5
I found the stuff through the 4th wall quite amusing.
But in general, that was a real failure of an actual ending. It was anticlimatic and felt like a massive cop out rather than some innovative TV.
Shame, really enjoyed the series up to now, but no, that just sucked.
The intro however, the Bixby inspired thing, was f***ing brilliant.
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