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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 30, 2022 8:10:36 GMT -5
The makeshift team argument barely holds any water given that Sky and Kai have been a team, what, a whole one or two weeks longer than Rodriguez and Aliyah?
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Post by mistery on Aug 30, 2022 8:26:25 GMT -5
The makeshift team argument barely holds any water given that Sky and Kai have been a team, what, a whole one or two weeks longer than Rodriguez and Aliyah? They've displayed more chemistry than Raquel and Aliyah. Where it's been pointed out that Aliyah spends almost the entire match outside of the ring, while Raquel has to do all of it herself. It's really goddamn obvious that WWE has like zero actual confidence in Aliyah's in ring abilities, especially after that absolutely terrible match she had last week in Toronto. But they wanted to give Raquel a title for god knows what reason. Doing damage to Dakota and Iyo in the process. It also helps that Damage CTRL has spent more time together outside of the ring and come across as people actually bonding outside of the ring if you've even seen clips of their interview on After The Bell. WWE is stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. Either they acknowledge the bad finish from last night, and course correct, or they ignore it and run the risk of Damage CTRL getting audience support, because there's no room for argument in the fact that they got screwed over last night. It was a very blatant screwjob (botched or not).
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Post by XIII on Aug 30, 2022 8:39:46 GMT -5
Seems like Raquel and Aliyah are getting the Liv Morgan half-assed fluke champ run. Doesn’t matter, it will probably be short lived and is just until Sasha and Naomi come back anyways.
I won’t be surprised if when they do come back it will be the old big pop…..oh wait they turn heel with Bayley to set up their matches with Kai and Sky.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 30, 2022 8:42:37 GMT -5
Atleast they’re actually trying to establish more in the division. If Kai and Sky won, then what? They aren’t losing to anyone except Sasha and Naomi and then you have a grand total of two credible teams. Not that this was a total success but atleast it’s an attempt to give other people some shine. But it’s really funny to see some people now starting with the “oh you know Triple H didn’t give Dakota a womens title run in NXT. He didn’t do this, he didn’t do that. Maybe he’s not perfect.” Oh brooooother. Weeks of improved shows and story, one decision you don’t like and it’s to the trash can with you. All I hear is that the Bloodline is boring, too dominant, holding up all the belts. But then same breath we want similar booking for Bayley and the Gang But this group literally just started and still isn't that over with the crowd. They need big wins. If they held the titles for 9 months, then yes. The booking would be an issue. But I wouldn't beat your big new heel group within their first 4-5 matches and especially to a makeshift team via a banana peel type finish that you used for almost every match in the tournament.
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Post by mistery on Aug 30, 2022 8:55:39 GMT -5
Atleast they’re actually trying to establish more in the division. If Kai and Sky won, then what? They aren’t losing to anyone except Sasha and Naomi and then you have a grand total of two credible teams. Not that this was a total success but atleast it’s an attempt to give other people some shine. But it’s really funny to see some people now starting with the “oh you know Triple H didn’t give Dakota a womens title run in NXT. He didn’t do this, he didn’t do that. Maybe he’s not perfect.” Oh brooooother. Weeks of improved shows and story, one decision you don’t like and it’s to the trash can with you. All I hear is that the Bloodline is boring, too dominant, holding up all the belts. But then same breath we want similar booking for Bayley and the Gang But this group literally just started and still isn't that over with the crowd. They need big wins. If they held the titles for 9 months, then yes. The booking would be an issue. But I wouldn't beat your big new heel group within their first 4-5 matches and especially to a makeshift team via a banana peel type finish that you used for almost every match in the tournament. Lets not bury the lede here. A banana peel type finish where the legal woman wasn't even the one pinned. This is why people hate this storyline. Predictable isn't always bad! And now you have the title on someone who can't wrestle for more than a minute without messing everything up, and another woman whose entire personality traits are "look at my back and how much I smile". Meanwhile Damage CTRL is severely damaged, because the two women who absolutely need very strong wins right now are being treated incredibly poorly in terms of strength in the ring. It doesn't matter if Damage CTRL wins at the PPV if its Bayley who gets the pin. Because she's already a made woman. Iyo and Dakota need the strong wins more right now. Raquel is already a made woman, or really close to it, and Aliyah is absolutely worthless and has no real future on the main roster, all things considered. I would also go out on a limb to say that if Damage CTRL does happen to lose at Clash (which I can't rule out since apparently Triple H swerved everyone last night just for the sake of swerving everyone, if Fightful and WOR are to be believed), their group is dead in the water. And Iyo and Dakota's main roster careers are pretty much going to take some serious rehabbing at that point.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 30, 2022 9:23:00 GMT -5
Atleast they’re actually trying to establish more in the division. If Kai and Sky won, then what? They aren’t losing to anyone except Sasha and Naomi and then you have a grand total of two credible teams. Not that this was a total success but atleast it’s an attempt to give other people some shine. But it’s really funny to see some people now starting with the “oh you know Triple H didn’t give Dakota a womens title run in NXT. He didn’t do this, he didn’t do that. Maybe he’s not perfect.” Oh brooooother. Weeks of improved shows and story, one decision you don’t like and it’s to the trash can with you. All I hear is that the Bloodline is boring, too dominant, holding up all the belts. But then same breath we want similar booking for Bayley and the Gang But this group literally just started and still isn't that over with the crowd. They need big wins. If they held the titles for 9 months, then yes. The booking would be an issue. But I wouldn't beat your big new heel group within their first 4-5 matches and especially to a makeshift team via a banana peel type finish that you used for almost every match in the tournament. People seem to be forgetting that the Bloodline have been doing this FOR YEARS. Also Roman and the USO’s were already well established. That’s completely different than Iyo and Dakota who just debuted and who need building up. And the tag belts need legitimizing as well. It’s apples to oranges as a comparison.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 30, 2022 9:24:01 GMT -5
Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Using the tag belts to get a singles woman over. Sounds a lot like Vince honestly. Same with “booking a surprise just for the sake of it.”
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Post by gl83 on Aug 30, 2022 9:54:18 GMT -5
Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Using the tag belts to get a singles woman over. Sounds a lot like Vince honestly. Same with “booking a surprise just for the sake of it.” Worked out great with Asuka/Charlotte, Shayna/Nia, Rhea/Nikki, etc.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 30, 2022 9:55:41 GMT -5
Bianca 100% should take the pin in the match. Asuka and Alexa both need some building back up while Bianca is basically invincible when not fighting Becky and nobody but her ever gets to look even passingly like a threat to her. You need to simultaneously tear her down a bit and position others as actually being some kind of threat to her.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 30, 2022 10:08:35 GMT -5
Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. I wanted to listen for myself and Meltzer's exact words were the following: "I don't think anyone expected Raquel and Aliyah to win that match, but when they did that nearfall I figured they'd be kicking out for sure and then they didn't kick out. There's nothing wrong with a surprise...They are trying to get Raquel Rodriguez, formally Gonzalez, over as a big star. Aliyah's, I don't know, along for the ride, I suppose...I think this match was to do a surprise and nothing else. Sometimes you do that. When you look at the big money, which team should win in that situation, it's pretty clear that Kai and Sky should have done that. It's because if you think about it logically, it wouldn't happen. (I think he meant that logically Kai and Sky wouldn't lose) Sometimes you surprise people...The reality is picking the wrong guy, you make that mistake in another time and it has disastrous results. Today, it has very minor results." For what it's worth, I got nothing from the actual audio and/or the context of Meltzer's words to suggest that WWE isn't super interested in Sky/Kai vs. Sasha/Naomi, nor did he say they're more interested in Raquel over Dakota and Io. He never said either thing. He acknowledges they want to get her over as a big star and that the result confused him, though.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 30, 2022 10:09:03 GMT -5
Although the match last night really wasn't great, and yes, Aliyah is green as grass and yes, Triple H is high on Raquel but honestly, Damage CTRL doesn't need the belts. They already are involved in a high profile match in England, had a fantastic return at Summerslam and have already proved they are top notch talent over how many years. Raquel needs the build more, and Aliyah needs more seasoning, hell, any seasoning. I'm fine with the decision. The show is in Wales, not England
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Post by gl83 on Aug 30, 2022 10:16:01 GMT -5
Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Wait...wait...wait...wait....Triple H knows that Kai/Sky vs Sasha/Naomi is the money match that people want to see...but they have little interest in doing it. The hell!? Please tell me there’s context or has Triple H lost it and has gone as senile as his father-in-law.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 30, 2022 10:18:02 GMT -5
Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Wait...wait...wait...wait....Triple H knows that Kai/Sky vs Sasha/Naomi is the money match that people want to see...but they have little interest in doing it. The hell!? Please tell me there’s context or has Triple H lost it and has gone as senile as his father-in-law. I posted Meltzer's full quote on the match above. There was nothing on interest in his actual audio or anything to suggest they don't want to do that match.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 30, 2022 10:33:09 GMT -5
It seems Triple H has his faves in Raquel and Kross and that will never change.
Triple H brought EVERYTHING from his NXT , including what didnt work, it was the perfect chance to actually filter and just pick the good parts.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 30, 2022 10:34:48 GMT -5
NXT got driven into the ground by pushes for Raquel and Kross no one liked... So let's push Raquel and Kross some more...
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 30, 2022 11:08:13 GMT -5
Also for as much good as Triple H did in NXT, I was never really impressed with how he booked Dakota in particular.
And that has not changed so far.
Put the belts on the best wrestlers abs give them the big stories, that’s how you make them feel important.
Frankly, the six woman tag doesn’t feel as exciting now either imo.
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Post by mistery on Aug 30, 2022 11:21:19 GMT -5
Also for as much good as Triple H did in NXT, I was never really impressed with how he booked Dakota in particular. And that has not changed so far. Put the belts on the best wrestlers abs give them the big stories, that’s how you make them feel important. Frankly, the six woman tag doesn’t feel as exciting now either imo. There's already a very healthy amount of skepticism that Dakota, Iyo, and Bayley are winning at Clash. The speculation is that they aren't winning because they didn't win the titles, and as a result it gives Triple H an out to have one of those three eat the pin, to make the babyfaces look strong after weeks of being "tormented" by Damage CTRL. The sad part is, I can see that happening because overall, Damage CTRL has been booked incredibly weak ever since their debut. They've only won one match decisively (as in no rollups) clean and that was against Dana and Tamina, and even then they struggled greatly to beat them. If they keep getting booked poorly, Iyo and Dakota are pretty much toast as credible threats on the main roster, especially if they are being booked below women like Aliyah. Fact of the matter is that Triple H has really messed up their booking when it comes to the actual matches. I dunno who is agenting their matches, but whoever it is, needs to be removed from that role. Last I checked, it was Petey Williams overseeing their stuff.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 30, 2022 11:26:05 GMT -5
Sasha and Naomi are going to be cheered upon returning whether they're booked as heels or faces so I figured they may as well be faces so heels would then win this tournament but I guess not. The winners of this tournament are lame duck champions anyway. Sasha and Naomi are going to be seen as uncrowned champs until their situation is sorted. I think they'll beat Raquel and Aliyah fairly quickly after returning to be "undisputed" champs then feud with Iyo/Dakota/Bayley. Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Please stop taking what Meltzer says and editorializing it to sound more extreme and in tune with the narrative you want to rage against. If you want to quote Dave then quote him. Stop twisting his words to suit your own agenda. Remember when you were livid after he reported WWE was planning on running Becky v Bianca and Ronda v Charlotte on 3 straight PPVs at MITB/SS/CATC? Except he never actually reported that at all and admitted he was just speculating and what do you know, only 1 out of those 6 "planned" matches happened. Same thing here, you're taking things he's thinking out loud about on his radio show and making it sound like he's delivering actual reports.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 30, 2022 11:38:19 GMT -5
Sasha and Naomi are going to be cheered upon returning whether they're booked as heels or faces so I figured they may as well be faces so heels would then win this tournament but I guess not. The winners of this tournament are lame duck champions anyway. Sasha and Naomi are going to be seen as uncrowned champs until their situation is sorted. I think they'll beat Raquel and Aliyah fairly quickly after returning to be "undisputed" champs then feud with Iyo/Dakota/Bayley. Dave on WOR about the match last night: He said that WWE is incredibly high on Raquel right now. I guess they think she has mainstream crossover star potential. He also mentioned that Triple H wanted to book a surprise ending last night just for the sake of it. And that they knew that people wanted to see Sky/Kai vs Sasha/Naomi, and that its the money match. But WWE isn't super interested in it apparently. They are more focused on getting Raquel over, and Aliyah is along for the ride. Please stop taking what Meltzer says and editorializing it to sound more extreme and in tune with the narrative you want to rage against. If you want to quote Dave then quote him. Stop twisting his words to suit your own agenda. Remember when you were livid after he reported WWE was planning on running Becky v Bianca and Ronda v Charlotte on 3 straight PPVs at MITB/SS/CATC? Except he never actually reported that at all and admitted he was just speculating and what do you know, only 1 out of those 6 "planned" matches happened. Same thing here, you're taking things he's thinking out loud about on his radio show and making it sound like he's delivering actual reports. And in this particular instance, Meltzer never said anything about WWE not thinking Sasha/Naomi vs. Io/Dakota was a money match. I don't mean to gang up, but Meltzer's shit gets taken out of context way too much across the internet.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Aug 30, 2022 11:47:26 GMT -5
Sasha and Naomi are going to be cheered upon returning whether they're booked as heels or faces so I figured they may as well be faces so heels would then win this tournament but I guess not. The winners of this tournament are lame duck champions anyway. Sasha and Naomi are going to be seen as uncrowned champs until their situation is sorted. I think they'll beat Raquel and Aliyah fairly quickly after returning to be "undisputed" champs then feud with Iyo/Dakota/Bayley. Please stop taking what Meltzer says and editorializing it to sound more extreme and in tune with the narrative you want to rage against. If you want to quote Dave then quote him. Stop twisting his words to suit your own agenda. Remember when you were livid after he reported WWE was planning on running Becky v Bianca and Ronda v Charlotte on 3 straight PPVs at MITB/SS/CATC? Except he never actually reported that at all and admitted he was just speculating and what do you know, only 1 out of those 6 "planned" matches happened. Same thing here, you're taking things he's thinking out loud about on his radio show and making it sound like he's delivering actual reports. And in this particular instance, Meltzer never said anything about WWE not thinking Sasha/Naomi vs. Io/Dakota was a money match. I don't mean to gang up, but Meltzer's shit gets taken out of context way too much across the internet. Also that dude is going way to over the too imo since last night
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