lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on May 26, 2022 7:13:51 GMT -5
After Sandy Hook, we all said 'Never again'. Know what's changed since then? Kids have been taught how to duck, run and cover. That's it. We've basically told the kids "Here's whatcha do, Good luck!" That's incredibly f***ed up and it should make everyone angry One side and gun nuts are too cowardly to admit their toys are an issue and don't want federal regulations on making it tougher to score new toys
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 26, 2022 7:25:30 GMT -5
We've tried nothing and it hasn't worked. We're sticking with that plan.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 7:42:49 GMT -5
So not even a month ago, someone call up my workplace and threaten to shoot it up. Luckily the person was arrested before it could happen but it could had end up like these events. Sometime need to changes because it getting to the point where it just becoming a normal event in life unfortunately.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on May 26, 2022 7:45:29 GMT -5
So not even a month ago, someone call up my workplace and threaten to shoot it up. Luckily the person was arrested before it could happen but it could had end up like these events. Sometime need to changes because it getting to the point where it just becoming a normal event in life unfortunately. Oh we passed that point a long time ago. This has been the new normal for some time.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 26, 2022 7:56:18 GMT -5
After Sandy Hook, we all said 'Never again'. Know what's changed since then? Kids have been taught how to duck, run and cover. That's it. We've basically told the kids "Here's whatcha do, Good luck!" That's incredibly f***ed up and it should make everyone angry One side and gun nuts are too cowardly to admit their toys are an issue and don't want federal regulations on making it tougher to score new toys I'm not even anti 2A. But there needs to be reasonable limits. Nobody needs a f***ing AR-15 or any other high powered automatic weapon. And it shouldn't be easier to get one of those than it is to go to CVS and get Sudafed
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clifford
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Post by clifford on May 26, 2022 9:51:29 GMT -5
I'm unspeakably angry with the people who allow this to happen in America.
I'll never forget Sandy Hook. I didn't even have my daughter when that happened. But even from Ireland, I was smashed to pieces by it. I've never been affected by anything that didn't directly involve me or my family/friends more in my life. And when it was obvious that America wasn't going to do anything to prevent Sandy Hook from happening again, I realised that nothing will ever be enough for those in charge to say 'enough'.
I hugged my daughter extra tight on Tuesday night after I heard the news. As a parent, you can't protect your kids from everything, and its naïve to not recognise just how much evil there is in the world. But these horrors inflicted on children and their families are entirely preventable. That is what I can never comprehend.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 10:04:51 GMT -5
I'm not even anti 2A. But there needs to be reasonable limits. Nobody needs a f***ing AR-15 or any other high powered automatic weapon. And it shouldn't be easier to get one of those than it is to go to CVS and get Sudafed AR-15s aren't automatics, they're semi-auto just like pistols. It's possible to modify them to be automatic but those modifications are already illegal. The thing is, I absolutely agree that there need to be limits and precautions - I live in New Jersey and it took me months between deciding I wanted to buy a gun and actually getting to do so. I needed to apply for a permit. I needed to consent to a background check. I needed references, people who could vouch for my mental health. These are all perfectly reasonable requirements for allowing someone to buy a piece of machinery that is specifically designed to destroy things. Obviously my heart breaks for the children in Uvalde, or the people in Buffalo, or anyone else who's been senselessly killed by some human waste. But the issue here goes deeper than guns or mental health. It's the fact that gun culture in America is almost entirely rooted in fear and paranoia. It's the fact that modern society is inherently alienating and dehumanizing. It's the fact that extremist content is peddled everywhere from major news networks to Reddit. The rot that leads to the seemingly endless list of tragedies goes real, real deep.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 26, 2022 10:06:46 GMT -5
Just a reminder, don’t recommend any political pundits in this topic. Thanks.
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agent817
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Post by agent817 on May 26, 2022 10:18:17 GMT -5
So not even a month ago, someone call up my workplace and threaten to shoot it up. Luckily the person was arrested before it could happen but it could had end up like these events. Sometime need to changes because it getting to the point where it just becoming a normal event in life unfortunately. Oh we passed that point a long time ago. This has been the new normal for some time. I don't want to get too political here, but a lot of people have bitched about the "new normal" being wearing masks and getting vaccinated and the like, but why do I get the feeling that these mass shootings have been occurring because we didn't have as many in the first couple of years of this decade? For the past decade, it reached horrifying levels of normalcy ever since the Aurora shooting. However, I worry for the most part because while I don't have kids, my nephews are around the age groups of those kids. Nobody knows what went on through that guy's head in that moment, but after a decade since Sandy Hook (okay, not a full decade since it was in December of that year), I couldn't imagine what would lead to guy killing children.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 10:31:48 GMT -5
94% of all shootings occur in gun free zones.
Taking away guns and any Policy wont do anything to solve this.
Wanna solve this issue specifically about preventing the killing of children in schools you give firearms to teachers because again 94% of all shootings take place in gun free zones....we could go further and just make open carry laws across the board because again I point you to the 94% stat I keep mentioning as these pieces of shit keep going to places they know no one is armed and defending themselves.
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Post by chrom on May 26, 2022 10:47:24 GMT -5
So not even a month ago, someone call up my workplace and threaten to shoot it up. Luckily the person was arrested before it could happen but it could had end up like these events. Sometime need to changes because it getting to the point where it just becoming a normal event in life unfortunately. Oh we passed that point a long time ago. This has been the new normal for some time. In Chicago it's almost become a daily thing anymore
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 26, 2022 10:51:35 GMT -5
94% of all shootings occur in gun free zones. Taking away guns and any Policy wont do anything to solve this. Wanna solve this issue specifically about preventing the killing of children in schools you give firearms to teachers because again 94% of all shootings take place in gun free zones....we could go further and just make open carry laws across the board because again I point you to the 94% stat I keep mentioning as these pieces of shit keep going to places they know no one is armed and defending themselves. I have no idea how accurate your "94%" statistic is, but what's a "Gun Free Zone"? Especially in Texas? A one hour drive? A two hour drive? I live in NYC which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but I know in a drive to Delaware and back and I can have an armory in my apartment in four/five hours. And that whole thing about arming teachers? Tell me, has anybody who ever advocated for this every asked teachers about this? They did not become teachers to be armed. They did not become teachers to be police officers or soldiers or prison guards. If they wanted to be that then they could've applied for that and probably gotten paid better. They are there to teach our children. How about instead of telling them to toughen up, we actually respect what their job actually is and do some bare basic, common sense things to protect them.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:12:15 GMT -5
94% of all shootings occur in gun free zones. Taking away guns and any Policy wont do anything to solve this. Wanna solve this issue specifically about preventing the killing of children in schools you give firearms to teachers because again 94% of all shootings take place in gun free zones....we could go further and just make open carry laws across the board because again I point you to the 94% stat I keep mentioning as these pieces of shit keep going to places they know no one is armed and defending themselves. I have no idea how accurate your "94%" statistic is, but what's a "Gun Free Zone"? Especially in Texas? A one hour drive? A two hour drive? I live in NYC which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but I know in a drive to Delaware and back and I can have an armory in my apartment in four/five hours. And that whole thing about arming teachers? Tell me, has anybody who ever advocated for this every asked teachers about this? They did not become teachers to be armed. They did not become teachers to be police officers or soldiers or prison guards. If they wanted to be that then they could've applied for that and probably gotten paid better. They are there to teach our children. How about instead of telling them to toughen up, we actually respect what their job actually is and do some bare basic, common sense things to protect them. Okay let me start with what is a gun free zone. Now since I cannot mention any specific names (Idk if PMing is allowed but it is feel free and I can link you to something to watch as I admitted am not the best in articulating something like this) , there is a whole lot more info I can give to you but it has political language that surely is not allowed again if a PM is fine you can message me and I can give all info with links to all the references. And You are right Teachers did not becomes teachers to have to use firearms...but if not that then what is would be solution? because Policy and taking away guns isn't going to solve anything because there are still rule breakers and there is no way to prevent guns from getting into the country there just isn't so taking away guns allows things like the raping of women to occur and makes it worse because now those women have absoloutley no defence as an example. Like if not arming teachers than what other solution is there is my question...taking away guns means nothing because there is no way to keep guns as a whole out of the country and it just makes it easier for the pieces of shit doing this to do it again.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 26, 2022 11:31:29 GMT -5
I have no idea how accurate your "94%" statistic is, but what's a "Gun Free Zone"? Especially in Texas? A one hour drive? A two hour drive? I live in NYC which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but I know in a drive to Delaware and back and I can have an armory in my apartment in four/five hours. And that whole thing about arming teachers? Tell me, has anybody who ever advocated for this every asked teachers about this? They did not become teachers to be armed. They did not become teachers to be police officers or soldiers or prison guards. If they wanted to be that then they could've applied for that and probably gotten paid better. They are there to teach our children. How about instead of telling them to toughen up, we actually respect what their job actually is and do some bare basic, common sense things to protect them. Okay let me start with what is a gun free zone. Now since I cannot mention any specific names (Idk if PMing is allowed but it is feel free and I can link you to something to watch as I admitted am not the best in articulating something like this) , there is a whole lot more info I can give to you but it has political language that surely is not allowed again if a PM is fine you can message me and I can give all info with links to all the references. And You are right Teachers did not becomes teachers to have to use firearms...but if not that then what is would be solution? because Policy and taking away guns isn't going to solve anything because there are still rule breakers and there is no way to prevent guns from getting into the country there just isn't so taking away guns allows things like the raping of women to occur and makes it worse because now those women have absoloutley no defence as an example. Like if not arming teachers than what other solution is there is my question...taking away guns means nothing because there is no way to keep guns as a whole out of the country and it just makes it easier for the pieces of shit doing this to do it again. So a "Gun Free Zone" is basically a meaningless declaration because there's no real way to enforce it? Gotcha. As for the whole latter part of your post, I never understood this argument. It's like saying that just because Doctors can't cure all forms of cancer, that we should stop treating cancer patients all together. Why get their hopes up? Will there still be people trying buy and sell guns if they're illegal? Absolutely. But it will be no where near as common or as easy to obtain a gun. On top of that it will actually be blatantly illegal, which would give law enforcement the tools to actually get these guns out of dangerous hands, as opposed to now where everything is in a murky legal position with gun shows and the like. No law is perfect, someone will always find a way around it, but if my choices are between a shooting like this happening once a year or happening every few weeks, then I'll take the former.
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Perd
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Post by Perd on May 26, 2022 11:37:03 GMT -5
I almost hesitate to call events, like this, a tragedy. Because, to me, tragedy implies something unexpected and unavoidable. Something that couldn’t be helped. And that’s not what happened in Uvalde. That was the willful slaughter of innocents. And it’s happened before. And it will happen again. And as an American, it feels like we're all complicit. Because, what can you do? I can’t get my city to fix a pothole. How do we stop something that’s as deeply embedded, in the fabric of this country, as gun violence? And, truthfully, I don’t have the answers. The proliferation of firearms, in this country, runs so deep that you’ll never get them al off the street. There will never be enough diagnosis, treatment, and supervision of mental illness. And how do you fortify (and even having to say this makes me sick) every school in the country? But I do know that the answer is not to do nothing. That hasn’t worked. And that will never work. Everything should be on the table.
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Post by Killah Ray on May 26, 2022 11:39:36 GMT -5
94% of all shootings occur in gun free zones. Taking away guns and any Policy wont do anything to solve this. Wanna solve this issue specifically about preventing the killing of children in schools you give firearms to teachers because again 94% of all shootings take place in gun free zones....we could go further and just make open carry laws across the board because again I point you to the 94% stat I keep mentioning as these pieces of shit keep going to places they know no one is armed and defending themselves. Without getting this locked you’re extremely wrong and real life is t a movie.
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 26, 2022 11:44:01 GMT -5
while the intention of this thread were well meaning, it strays into politics far too easily and for the obvious reasons why it does.
I'm locking the thread, sorry but there is no way to discuss it without the inevitable politics discussion being brought into it.
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