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Post by Fade on May 26, 2022 0:02:56 GMT -5
“I don’t get why you’re so emotional about this…”
“SHAKE MY F’N HAND *SHOVE* ”
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Post by Herman The Tosser on May 26, 2022 0:19:30 GMT -5
It feels like this is building to a Punk turn. For those that might remember, they did this in Chikara with Claudio/Cesaro. Eddie Kingston kept telling everyone he could see how fake Claudio was, and everyone thought “oh that crazy Eddie” until he was proven right and the BDK formed. Kingston even had an earlier feud with Punk in AEW that held similarities, going on about how he could see through his disingenuous nature, and since then Punk has taken shots at Eddie for no reason. Or is the reason that Kingston is the one guy that knows the truth? Maybe Hangman has seen enough to know that Punk is full of bullshit, and needs to retain so that Punk’s big plan can’t come to fruition. If/when Punk wins at the PPV, we could have another Summer of Punk scenario where he becomes the worst big bad yet in AEW. "You stupid old man, I'm a snake" Now I wish MJF hadn't referenced that line during his feud with Punk.. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 26, 2022 7:07:16 GMT -5
"You stupid old man, I'm a snake" Now I wish MJF hadn't referenced that line during his feud with Punk.. I mean the thing is, though, if they go that route, Page has already shown that he knows that Punk is going to turn, so he wouldn't exactly be "stupid" there. Sure, Punk has the kind of charisma where if he calls Page stupid anyway, people will buy it, but still. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 8:42:42 GMT -5
I'm of two minds about this segment and feud. I'm very, very hyped for the match but I still don't understand why Hangman is pissed at Punk - his promo last night was delivered very well but was also all over the place, to the point where I actually agreed with Punk when he said Hangman was talking in circles. So either Hangman is being deliberately vague instead of just outright calling Punk disingenuous, or he just winged his promo and it was vague as a result of that.
Either way though the match itself should still be incredible, so it's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by khali on May 26, 2022 9:02:02 GMT -5
The descriptions about the promo come across a lot better than the promo itself. Page went way too vague with it and Punk talking about him speaking in riddles was accurate with me.
Anyway, I think Punk absolutely needs to win on Sunday. Punk as champion gives a fresh set of challengers. And it sets up storyline intrigue from here: what will he be like as champion? Is he turning? Will Page be proven right about this? If Page wins, there’s no clear direction for either guy.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 26, 2022 9:17:47 GMT -5
Did anyone listen to Meltzer on WOR? I didn’t hear it but I read that he alluded to the Page-Punk promo being based in reality and it being similar to a Bret/HBK situation.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 26, 2022 9:22:19 GMT -5
Did anyone listen to Meltzer on WOR? I didn’t hear it but I read that he alluded to the Page-Punk promo being based in reality and it being similar to a Bret/HBK situation. I did. I think his point was more that the more you knew about the stories about Punk, the more you would get out of it. Similar to how if you knew the behind the scenes stuff in 1997, you would get more out of the HBK/Bret promos. But he said this was a milder case and felt that it worked very well. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 26, 2022 9:23:34 GMT -5
Did anyone listen to Meltzer on WOR? I didn’t hear it but I read that he alluded to the Page-Punk promo being based in reality and it being similar to a Bret/HBK situation. I did. I think his point was more that the more you knew about the stories about Punk, the more you would get out of it. Similar to how if you knew the behind the scenes stuff in 1997, you would get more out of the HBK/Bret promos. But he said this was a milder case and felt that it worked very well. Did he seem to be referring to old stories of Punk or Punk now? |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 26, 2022 9:26:12 GMT -5
I did. I think his point was more that the more you knew about the stories about Punk, the more you would get out of it. Similar to how if you knew the behind the scenes stuff in 1997, you would get more out of the HBK/Bret promos. But he said this was a milder case and felt that it worked very well. Did he seem to be referring to old stories of Punk or Punk now? I think both to an extent. |
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Post by Mozenrath on May 26, 2022 9:29:50 GMT -5
Punk has come off like a condescended dickhead the whole feud, much as he did in the Eddie Kingston feud. I certainly hope they're leading to a heel turn, because otherwise, he's just a jackoff.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 26, 2022 9:59:15 GMT -5
Punk has come off like a condescended dickhead the whole feud, much as he did in the Eddie Kingston feud. I certainly hope they're leading to a heel turn, because otherwise, he's just a jackoff. That last promo in particular comes off... really... un-Punk-like. Even in "Old Man Punk" mode, he's usually not so reserved, and he's typically so meticulous that that "You're mad at myself-- err YOURSELF" slip up has to be intentional, right? |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on May 26, 2022 11:02:48 GMT -5
"You stupid old man, I'm a snake" Now I wish MJF hadn't referenced that line during his feud with Punk.. Why? I think it was entirely on purpose to introduce the concept to the AEW audience. MJF made Punk realize what he has to do to get back to the top of the mountain |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:15:59 GMT -5
After that last promo I think they may finally pull the plus on a Punk heel turn. Hangman smells a rat in Punk, that being the underlying current of Punk’s last two feuds. The scene of a Punk shaking a out cold Hangman’s hand after some shenanigans would be the shot of the night.
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Post by oxbaker on May 26, 2022 11:28:16 GMT -5
Did anyone listen to Meltzer on WOR? I didn’t hear it but I read that he alluded to the Page-Punk promo being based in reality and it being similar to a Bret/HBK situation. Yeah I caught that but (as is often the case with Meltzer, which is ironic because it’s kind of vague like Hangman was in the promo) he didn’t bottle the ends — ‘well if you know what was going on backstage you’d understand’ … except are there any stories about what Punk has been like backstage in the dirtsheets? I mean if Dave is hearing that he’s been a pain to deal with and his whole newsletter/operation is about letting us know what’s going on behind the scenes, why didn’t he take this opportunity to explain to us that Punk’s been vetoing matches or a douche to everyone with a few examples. It’s like ‘this promo makes sense on a different level to me because of some things I know, which I’m not really going to even give you a solid hint what those are, but this promo was for the boys backstage and me and if you knew what he was talking about then you’d see what he meant.’ Another reason it (Hangman’s side of the promo) doesn’t tie together for me is it’s kind of a ‘I know what you’re really like away from the cameras and everyone will see’ — but what has Punk been doing away from the cameras lately that we DO know about? 1) He’s supporting women’s right to choose, very loudly and publicly. 2) He’s speaking up for worker’s rights and pro-union. 3) And, of course, he’s very anti-WWE. 4) EDIT to add, oh he also tweeted about how unimportant a wrestling show is in the grand scheme of things in the aftermath of a school shooting. For Hangman’s ‘you’ll see the real Punk come through and this is only an act’ to come true, is Punk going to be revealed as anti-abortion (‘keep them womens barefoot and pregnant!’), anti-worker (‘Tony brought me in the lead the union busters, and I’ve got some muscle to back me up if you try to start one’) and … pro-WWE (‘I’m putting in my time here so I can pull a Cody and get Vince to back up the Brinks truck and get out of this outlaw mudshow promotion and away from these neckbeard fans! The real Summer of Punk starts when my contract expires and I main event WM!!!!’)? None of that works because Punk, prickly and dickish though he may be backstages, isn’t putting on an act with his political views nor his disdain for WWE, and those things are very popular with AEW fans (and a lot of other people). So to me Hangman, if Punk turns heel, is going to be left with people saying ‘well I support a lot of things he believes in and has been vocal about, but yeah he sure cuts some promos putting down the fans and I guess he doesn’t care about us as much as he was acting like he did.’ I mean, that’s his ‘I told you so?’ To me that’s a big disconnect all the way around. That being said, these two will absolutely deliver in the ring and if Punk does turn he’ll be a great heel. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 26, 2022 11:50:20 GMT -5
This whole feud has been really disjointed for me. Punk's "I don't understand why you're so angry" summed it up for me. Of course, I won't remember any of that when the match is inevitably a banger.
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Post by Fade on May 26, 2022 11:51:11 GMT -5
Punk has come off like a condescended dickhead the whole feud, much as he did in the Eddie Kingston feud. I certainly hope they're leading to a heel turn, because otherwise, he's just a jackoff. Big time agree. Whole thing’s got him looking like a dick. If it’s leading to a heel turn, cool.. But if Punk just wins and stays face? *_* |
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Post by sportatorium on May 26, 2022 12:02:03 GMT -5
There's a lot of nuance in the build to this match. That can be a good thing, but it's bumping up against being a bit too much. If Punk is going heel with "this is only business to me", it's a less exaggerated version of what Jericho is doing.
I'll say this- I have no idea who is winning the match and I'm very excited for it.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on May 26, 2022 12:09:59 GMT -5
The result can go either way which I like. Can certainly see Punk going heel regardless of the result.
What I wouldn't want it to be is a "haha, I was secretly evil all along!" bit. Not just because it'd be lazy but it would go against what's been presented since he came back - a guy trying to earn back his stature. It would cheapen a big emotional component of his return and the MJF feud. They've been building up a simpler and better reason for him to go heel anyway - realizing he's not the best in the world anymore. I think Hangman can absolutely win clean and that's what could set Punk off. It's easy to be a better person when things are going your way. What about when you smacked in the face and are sent to the back of the line?
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Post by Texas Tornado on May 26, 2022 12:11:49 GMT -5
I don't know what the outcome of the match is going to be, but Punk is clearly playing him (and more importantly, the audience) here. He's uncharacteristically understated in his approach throughout the entire promo, tries to big bro Page, and then demands that he shake his hand. Hangman isn't just going off for no reason. He's bothered, and Punk has known that from day 1 of this program, he knows that Page has fear in his eyes and that's what he's playing on.
Everyone that Punk has feuded with has referred to him in this almost parasitic way of being bad for AEW and the locker room. For the first time, I kinda saw it in this promo. He's getting everyone to truly question the face of AEW as a fun little game on his way to taking the title. The way Punk is leveraging the audience and their favor against Hangman is pretty brilliant tbh. I'm very interested in how this keeps developing.
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Post by oxbaker on May 26, 2022 12:30:17 GMT -5
Also, why is it a win for Punk to get Hangman to lose his cool?
Like I get MJF trying to goad Wardlow into hitting him as a ref so he can DQ him.
But Punk’s ‘best in the world’ is about him being the best wrestler in the world, not the best brawler. So wouldn’t he want Hangman to come out and try to beat him in a technical match and play to CMP’s strengths? Page is a fine wrestler but his signature match is a Texas Deathmatch, not pure rules or amateur style. He can go but he’s more dangerous when he’s trying to kill you, right?
I mean if there was an ongoing storyline where Page outwrestles everyone with technical masterpieces but loses when he blows his cool, sure, but that hasn’t been the story they’re telling in the buildup to this.
How does CMP getting Hangman to punch him give him an edge?
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