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Post by mistery on Jun 6, 2022 6:24:53 GMT -5
So some notes from the Bryan/Vinny and also PWInsider:
On the post show from PWInsider Elite, Mike mentioned Asuka took the pin because creative doesn't view her as a top babyface. He cited the internal hierarchy he got a few weeks ago (and had posted on the site), and in terms of positioning on the card, apparently creative only views her above Dana Brooke, babyface wise. Otherwise the order is:
1) Bianca Belair 2) Alexa Bliss 3) Liv Morgan 4) Asuka 5) Dana Brooke
Also yeah, the plan is Becky vs Bianca possibly for MITB (not sure if its still happening due to it no longer being a stadium show), currently penciled in to happen at both Summerslam and the UK PPV though.
Bryan touched on it during the Bryan and Vinny show, but I guess the tentative plan for Wrestlemania next year championship wise is currently Becky Lynch (c) vs Ronda Rousey (c) with both titles on the line.
I'm not gonna touch on that last part too much because it's unrelated to this thread but that would be absolutely dire and stupid considering WWE refuses to make any sort of midcard or non-title women's feuds (that don't involve Charlotte). But the PWInsider report does not paint Asuka in a good light or as if they want to feature her as a serious talent if so.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jun 6, 2022 7:28:28 GMT -5
::Enters thread about women's divisions, leaves quickly::
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Post by papagiorgio on Jun 6, 2022 7:38:06 GMT -5
Tag her up with Io or someone and win the tag titles.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 6, 2022 8:20:08 GMT -5
But...but...all of her ACCOLADES!
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 6, 2022 8:25:15 GMT -5
She hasn't been booked anything nearly great or as terrible as the extremes on either side say she has. But the bottom line is if she's content with where she's at, it's all moot. Bingo. She’s not god tier anymore but she’s still HOF bound. She should be able to match Sharmell's vote totals at this stage.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 9:35:59 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 6, 2022 10:05:51 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing. That's a solid comparison.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 6, 2022 10:14:01 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing. That's a solid comparison. A future Asuka Appreciation Society? Sure, why not?
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 10:19:06 GMT -5
Asuka will never get the respect she deserves.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jun 6, 2022 10:23:17 GMT -5
I fully expect to be chasing after the 24/7 title soon.
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Post by john84 on Jun 6, 2022 10:43:55 GMT -5
That's a solid comparison. A future Asuka Appreciation Society? Sure, why not? I'd love it if Asuka started doing her version of...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 10:57:36 GMT -5
Whats next for Asuka.
Losing MITB...then probably chasing the 24/7 title bullshit.
Because aint no tag titles anymore atleast right now to go for and the next year is blocked up for Bianca , Becky , Ronda and Charlotte so.
Which is horseshit because quite frankly IMO if not for Asuka absoloutley killin it lastnight that match would have been absoloutley forgettable.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 6, 2022 11:20:20 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing. Neither do Becky or Charlotte. Yet here we are. Just because a talent does not NEED it does not mean it should not be done. This Becky vs. Bianca stuff has gone on long enough.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 11:34:42 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing. Neither do Becky or Charlotte. Yet here we are. Just because a talent does not NEED it does not mean it should not be done. This Becky vs. Bianca stuff has gone on long enough. The audience seems to say different with regards to Becky and Bianca.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 6, 2022 11:38:31 GMT -5
The audience also cheers Asuka. The audience cheers Bianca in general.
And like Vince and co care what the fans think anyway.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 12:25:03 GMT -5
The audience also cheers Asuka. The audience cheers Bianca in general. And like Vince and co care what the fans think anyway. Sure, the audience loves Asuka, she’s great in-ring, has had a great run so far and always comes off credible. She’s in a solid upper-mid card, lower main event spot because they probably see Bianca and Becky as above her in terms of starpower, future prospects and I’m sure promo ability factors in as well. It’s still a good spot, even if she’s not being featured as the centerpiece of the division.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 12:30:42 GMT -5
Asuka returned from a 9 month long injury just so she could get pinned 3 times in 13 days.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 6, 2022 12:34:02 GMT -5
Imagine ranking anybody above Asuka
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 6, 2022 13:21:55 GMT -5
Asuka has been featured in main events and top-tier PPV title matches pretty much her entire run. She’s Teflon at this point and the losses don’t make her lose credibility from a booking or fan standpoint. She’s in that Jericho role during his later career in WWE. Heavily involved in various storylines, hall of fame level career and talent, but doesn’t need the world title anymore. Very good chance she’s perfectly happy doing what she’s doing. Neither do Becky or Charlotte. Yet here we are. Just because a talent does not NEED it does not mean it should not be done. This Becky vs. Bianca stuff has gone on long enough.
Based on Bianca's latest interview, it's going to keep going for a while yet: “Our story is far from over, but it was nice to get the upper hand on her in this match.”
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Post by mistery on Jun 6, 2022 13:24:43 GMT -5
Neither do Becky or Charlotte. Yet here we are. Just because a talent does not NEED it does not mean it should not be done. This Becky vs. Bianca stuff has gone on long enough.
Based on Bianca's latest interview, it's going to keep going for a while yet: “Our story is far from over, but it was nice to get the upper hand on her in this match.” Yeah like I said, WOR reported the current plan is likely Bianca/Becky at MITB, but they are definitely running matches at Summerslam and Clash against each other as well. Realistically no company can stretch a feud on for that long without serious fatigue setting in with the audience. But the problem is this feud should have ended at Wrestlemania, and at first it seemed like they were going to head in a different direction with both women. And it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that if you are a woman in WWE and not in the title scene (tag or singles), WWE could not care less about you unless you are part of a storyline mainly focusing on the men (Judgement Day/Bullet Club). This is another reason why Asuka fans are generally pissed off. Because they know she's just either gonna vanish off of TV entirely, because WWE has proven time and time again that they absolutely do not care about the women who aren't in the title scene.
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