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Post by Legion on Jun 6, 2022 13:59:10 GMT -5
So some notes from the Bryan/Vinny and also PWInsider: On the post show from PWInsider Elite, Mike mentioned Asuka took the pin because creative doesn't view her as a top babyface. He cited the internal hierarchy he got a few weeks ago (and had posted on the site), and in terms of positioning on the card, apparently creative only views her above Dana Brooke, babyface wise. Otherwise the order is: 1) Bianca Belair 2) Alexa Bliss 3) Liv Morgan 4) Asuka 5) Dana Brooke Also yeah, the plan is Becky vs Bianca possibly for MITB (not sure if its still happening due to it no longer being a stadium show), currently penciled in to happen at both Summerslam and the UK PPV though. Bryan touched on it during the Bryan and Vinny show, but I guess the tentative plan for Wrestlemania next year championship wise is currently Becky Lynch (c) vs Ronda Rousey (c) with both titles on the line. I'm not gonna touch on that last part too much because it's unrelated to this thread but that would be absolutely dire and stupid considering WWE refuses to make any sort of midcard or non-title women's feuds (that don't involve Charlotte). But the PWInsider report does not paint Asuka in a good light or as if they want to feature her as a serious talent if so. You wont like to hear it, but based on their current storylines, their ages and the potential for mass market appeal, that's probably right. Asuka is 40, she's been a top talent in the company since she came in, she shouldn't be squashing new talent and on year long title defences at this point. She's a veteran and being booked as such, and the crowds love her enough that she's perennially over regardless, which makes her just what WWE needs. A great hand to slot in when needed, but not what they feel is going to carry the division in to the future.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 14:03:02 GMT -5
So some notes from the Bryan/Vinny and also PWInsider: On the post show from PWInsider Elite, Mike mentioned Asuka took the pin because creative doesn't view her as a top babyface. He cited the internal hierarchy he got a few weeks ago (and had posted on the site), and in terms of positioning on the card, apparently creative only views her above Dana Brooke, babyface wise. Otherwise the order is: 1) Bianca Belair 2) Alexa Bliss 3) Liv Morgan 4) Asuka 5) Dana Brooke Also yeah, the plan is Becky vs Bianca possibly for MITB (not sure if its still happening due to it no longer being a stadium show), currently penciled in to happen at both Summerslam and the UK PPV though. Bryan touched on it during the Bryan and Vinny show, but I guess the tentative plan for Wrestlemania next year championship wise is currently Becky Lynch (c) vs Ronda Rousey (c) with both titles on the line. I'm not gonna touch on that last part too much because it's unrelated to this thread but that would be absolutely dire and stupid considering WWE refuses to make any sort of midcard or non-title women's feuds (that don't involve Charlotte). But the PWInsider report does not paint Asuka in a good light or as if they want to feature her as a serious talent if so. You wont like to hear it, but based on their current storylines, their ages and the potential for mass market appeal, that's probably right. Asuka is 40, she's been a top talent in the company since she came in, she shouldn't be squashing new talent and on year long title defences at this point. She's a veteran and being booked as such, and the crowds love her enough that she's perennially over regardless, which makes her just what WWE needs. A great hand to slot in when needed, but not what they feel is going to carry the division in to the future. Who cares if she's 40? She's still the best.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 6, 2022 14:04:49 GMT -5
Based on Bianca's latest interview, it's going to keep going for a while yet: “Our story is far from over, but it was nice to get the upper hand on her in this match.” Yeah like I said, WOR reported the current plan is likely Bianca/Becky at MITB, but they are definitely running matches at Summerslam and Clash against each other as well. Realistically no company can stretch a feud on for that long without serious fatigue setting in with the audience. But the problem is this feud should have ended at Wrestlemania, and at first it seemed like they were going to head in a different direction with both women. And it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that if you are a woman in WWE and not in the title scene (tag or singles), WWE could not care less about you unless you are part of a storyline mainly focusing on the men (Judgement Day/Bullet Club). This is another reason why Asuka fans are generally pissed off. Because they know she's just either gonna vanish off of TV entirely, because WWE has proven time and time again that they absolutely do not care about the women who aren't in the title scene. Asuka has never randomly vanished off TV though. Any break she’s had has been injury related. If she’s available she’s a fixture on TV and has been since debuting 4-5 years ago. You have to stop mis-quoting Dave too. Didn’t we go through this a few weeks ago. He SPECULATED Bianca/Becky could be saved for Summerslam (not MITB). How did you get from speculation that it could happen on one show to it DEFINITELY happening on 3 straight shows? I wouldn’t be shocked if everything got brought forward a month. Remember, last night was supposed to be Bianca v Naomi and Asuka v Becky. They weren’t planning on doing that triple threat last night until Naomi and Sasha walked out. Maybe they were originally going to save Bianca/Becky for Summerslam to mark the one year anniversary of the big angle last year but all the stuff going on has made them bump it up a month but either way, I’ll be willing to bet anything you want Bianca v Becky isn’t happening at MITB, SS and the following stadium show like you’re saying.
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Post by mistery on Jun 6, 2022 14:05:49 GMT -5
So some notes from the Bryan/Vinny and also PWInsider: On the post show from PWInsider Elite, Mike mentioned Asuka took the pin because creative doesn't view her as a top babyface. He cited the internal hierarchy he got a few weeks ago (and had posted on the site), and in terms of positioning on the card, apparently creative only views her above Dana Brooke, babyface wise. Otherwise the order is: 1) Bianca Belair 2) Alexa Bliss 3) Liv Morgan 4) Asuka 5) Dana Brooke Also yeah, the plan is Becky vs Bianca possibly for MITB (not sure if its still happening due to it no longer being a stadium show), currently penciled in to happen at both Summerslam and the UK PPV though. Bryan touched on it during the Bryan and Vinny show, but I guess the tentative plan for Wrestlemania next year championship wise is currently Becky Lynch (c) vs Ronda Rousey (c) with both titles on the line. I'm not gonna touch on that last part too much because it's unrelated to this thread but that would be absolutely dire and stupid considering WWE refuses to make any sort of midcard or non-title women's feuds (that don't involve Charlotte). But the PWInsider report does not paint Asuka in a good light or as if they want to feature her as a serious talent if so. You wont like to hear it, but based on their current storylines, their ages and the potential for mass market appeal, that's probably right. Asuka is 40, she's been a top talent in the company since she came in, she shouldn't be squashing new talent and on year long title defences at this point. She's a veteran and being booked as such, and the crowds love her enough that she's perennially over regardless, which makes her just what WWE needs. A great hand to slot in when needed, but not what they feel is going to carry the division in to the future. Age should not be a factor in if someone gets pushed or not. Look at the men's division. Almost all of the prominently featured men who STILL WIN WORLD TITLES MIND YOU are either in their late 30s or older. Asuka does not look anywhere close to 40, and last night proved she definitely doesn't move like she's 40 either. Also I wasn't misquoting Dave. He even said several times over the past few weeks the planned direction for the stadium shows is Becky and Bianca, because they want to move as many tickets as possible. Summerslam still isn't sold out, and there is pretty much no chance Becky isn't getting Bianca again at Clash considering its basically on her home turf. He has been very adamant about this both on WOR and the Newsletter.
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Post by Legion on Jun 6, 2022 14:10:38 GMT -5
You wont like to hear it, but based on their current storylines, their ages and the potential for mass market appeal, that's probably right. Asuka is 40, she's been a top talent in the company since she came in, she shouldn't be squashing new talent and on year long title defences at this point. She's a veteran and being booked as such, and the crowds love her enough that she's perennially over regardless, which makes her just what WWE needs. A great hand to slot in when needed, but not what they feel is going to carry the division in to the future. Who cares if she's 40? She's still the best. You can't build a new bank of young talent if you keep feeding them to the older talent. We criticise WWE for doing just that with the male talent, so we can't be complaining we want them doing it with the female side. Plus racism. We all know Vince hates anyone who can't speak perfect English. Even an accent seems to turn him off. He wont let her be the face of anything when she can't be the voice too. So she's where she is, booked as a perennially over division vet. She may get a transitional run at some point, but she'll never be the focal point because of her age and the Vince perceived language barrier.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 14:56:23 GMT -5
Who cares if she's 40? She's still the best. You can't build a new bank of young talent if you keep feeding them to the older talent. We criticise WWE for doing just that with the male talent, so we can't be complaining we want them doing it with the female side. Do people apply this logic to other form of entertainment? "Tom Cruise is 60 so he should stop starring in movies so younger actors can get a turn." No one says that. Why do people do it in wrestling?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 6, 2022 15:20:56 GMT -5
You can't build a new bank of young talent if you keep feeding them to the older talent. We criticise WWE for doing just that with the male talent, so we can't be complaining we want them doing it with the female side. Do people apply this logic to other form of entertainment? "Tom Cruise is 60 so he should stop starring in movies so younger actors can get a turn." No one says that. Why do people do it in wrestling? Asuka does do the wrestling equivalent of starring in movies though. She's been in the main event scene since returning. Before she got injured last year she was constantly in the title picture too. Before that when she was with Kairi that team was all over TV. I'd be surprised if any non-Horsewomen has been in more world title matches than her during her main roster tenure. It seems less like "we want Asuka to star in movies" and more like "we want Asuka to win her fight scenes in the movies she's in." They clearly trust her and always have her in important spots. Look at Seth, he has a worse win/loss record than Asuka lately. It doesn't mean WWE hates him. Them not being the absolute top person isn't some kind of indictment of them. They clearly have a great deal of trust in them. It's just that Bianca and Cody are the ones being focused on right now.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 15:29:42 GMT -5
Do people apply this logic to other form of entertainment? "Tom Cruise is 60 so he should stop starring in movies so younger actors can get a turn." No one says that. Why do people do it in wrestling? Asuka does do the wrestling equivalent of starring in movies though. She's been in the main event scene since returning. Before she got injured last year she was constantly in the title picture too. Before that when she was with Kairi that team was all over TV. I'd be surprised if any non-Horsewomen has been in more world title matches than her during her main roster tenure. It seems less like "we want Asuka to star in movies" and more like "we want Asuka to win her fight scenes in the movies she's in." They clearly trust her and always have her in important spots. Look at Seth, he has a worse win/loss record than Asuka lately. It doesn't mean WWE hates him. Them not being the absolute top person isn't some kind of indictment of them. They clearly have a great deal of trust in them. It's just that Bianca and Cody are the ones being focused on right now. Asuka should be booked much better than she is. She was gone for 9 months and came back just to lose 3 times in a 13 day timeframe.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 18:46:47 GMT -5
Asuka does do the wrestling equivalent of starring in movies though. She's been in the main event scene since returning. Before she got injured last year she was constantly in the title picture too. Before that when she was with Kairi that team was all over TV. I'd be surprised if any non-Horsewomen has been in more world title matches than her during her main roster tenure. It seems less like "we want Asuka to star in movies" and more like "we want Asuka to win her fight scenes in the movies she's in." They clearly trust her and always have her in important spots. Look at Seth, he has a worse win/loss record than Asuka lately. It doesn't mean WWE hates him. Them not being the absolute top person isn't some kind of indictment of them. They clearly have a great deal of trust in them. It's just that Bianca and Cody are the ones being focused on right now. Asuka should be booked much better than she is. She was gone for 9 months and came back just to lose 3 times in a 13 day timeframe. In competitive matches, to the two biggest stars of the division.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 18:58:59 GMT -5
Asuka should be booked much better than she is. She was gone for 9 months and came back just to lose 3 times in a 13 day timeframe. In competitive matches, to the two biggest stars of the division. Asuka should be on the of the biggest stars in the division.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 19:04:25 GMT -5
In competitive matches, to the two biggest stars of the division. Asuka should be on the of the biggest stars in the division. She was. Now she’s in that veteran upper mid card/main event Jericho role. Not a bad place to be. They’re concentrating on others right now that are also very talented and over. Not like she’s being shoved aside for terrible wrestlers that aren’t over.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 19:22:21 GMT -5
Asuka should be on the of the biggest stars in the division. She was. Now she’s in that veteran upper mid card/main event Jericho role. Not a bad place to be. They’re concentrating on others right now that are also very talented and over. Not like she’s being shoved aside for terrible wrestlers that aren’t over. She's never really been treated as one of the biggest stars on the main roster. None of her title reigns have been booked well.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 6, 2022 20:48:16 GMT -5
Tormenting Becky, for now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 21:03:09 GMT -5
She was. Now she’s in that veteran upper mid card/main event Jericho role. Not a bad place to be. They’re concentrating on others right now that are also very talented and over. Not like she’s being shoved aside for terrible wrestlers that aren’t over. She's never really been treated as one of the biggest stars on the main roster. None of her title reigns have been booked well. She’s been in Rumble, Summerslam and Mania title matches. She’s been one of the biggest stars. I’d say even now she’s still booked in the top 6-7 women.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 21:26:17 GMT -5
She's never really been treated as one of the biggest stars on the main roster. None of her title reigns have been booked well. She’s been in Rumble, Summerslam and Mania title matches. She’s been one of the biggest stars. I’d say even now she’s still booked in the top 6-7 women. Big stars don't get pinned clean 3 times in a 13 day time span.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 6, 2022 21:44:12 GMT -5
More feuding with Becky. I guess she's not getting buried and told to go to catering like Carmella.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 21:46:03 GMT -5
More feuding with Becky. I guess she's not getting buried and told to go to catering like Carmella. Becky's clearly going to win the feud.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 6, 2022 21:49:06 GMT -5
More feuding with Becky. I guess she's not getting buried and told to go to catering like Carmella. Becky's clearly going to win the feud. Which is fine lol.
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Post by comradejoe on Jun 6, 2022 21:56:05 GMT -5
Becky's clearly going to win the feud. Which is fine lol. "It's fine for Asuka to lose her first 2 feuds since coming back from a 9 month hiatus"
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2022 22:56:22 GMT -5
"It's fine for Asuka to lose her first 2 feuds since coming back from a 9 month hiatus" Yes. If she’s not planned to have a world title reign anytime soon, then her feuding and losing to Becky in high-profile matches is a perfectly reasonable use for Asuka.
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