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Post by dpg on Jun 11, 2022 2:48:31 GMT -5
Hoping he does this at Fulham as well because that would go down really well. I mean they just got promoted though so their fans might have softened on the Khan’s recently. They were regularly in the prem before the Khan's arrived, in fact, they were more consistently there.
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Post by wankah on Jun 11, 2022 3:10:10 GMT -5
That's true. If I was a Fulham supporter, I'd be bloody livid with what he's doing. Getting too massive roster to playfight on tv no matter the cost while the other one's stuck in the free transfer market trying to not get relegated.
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Post by dpg on Jun 11, 2022 3:15:49 GMT -5
That's true. If I was a Fulham supporter, I'd be bloody livid with what he's doing. Getting too massive roster to playfight on tv no matter the cost while the other one's stuck in the free transfer market trying to not get relegated. And failing. I don't think they've stayed in the prem for more than one season under the Khans.
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Post by wankah on Jun 11, 2022 3:35:21 GMT -5
That's true. If I was a Fulham supporter, I'd be bloody livid with what he's doing. Getting too massive roster to playfight on tv no matter the cost while the other one's stuck in the free transfer market trying to not get relegated. And failing. I don't think they've stayed in the prem for more than one season under the Khans. Had to google their standings under the Khans and you're right! I thought they had two seasons in the prem somewhere in between, but no. And they'll prolly gonna go with Mitro as the no.9 into next season. But at least we'll get all the cool dudes appearing on Dynamite.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 11, 2022 10:15:32 GMT -5
100%. This forum has become super negative. Reddit and twitter are super positive compared to it. One negative thread after another. Which is weird because AEW's product is really good, sure there are always gonna be a few things you can nitpick about anything but damn AEW is the best wrestling product going. That’s purely a subjective opinion. There’s also the case that a strong product leads to higher expectations. There’s also a lot for people to be turned off about lately with the seemingly overexposed Undisputed Era and the women’s division. Plus, by its nature, criticism is more likely to lead to discussion back and forth than a bunch of people praising something over and over.
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Post by markymark on Jun 11, 2022 11:52:26 GMT -5
100%. This forum has become super negative. Reddit and twitter are super positive compared to it. One negative thread after another. Which is weird because AEW's product is really good, sure there are always gonna be a few things you can nitpick about anything but damn AEW is the best wrestling product going.
Stuff like the TNT title picture, HoB stuff with Julia were the biggest negatives but Sammy is gone, and Julia already turned heel, the negativity now moved on to Cole/Undisputed Elite because Wardlow is becoming TNT champ very soon to rebuild that titles prestige.
Not including the Women division stuff because it has been the same old Britt hate when she is about to get nerfed to her 2019 self once she puts over Toni and they finally pull the trigger on Hayters turn and the ratings that were due to the NBA playoffs eating them alive.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 11, 2022 13:03:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 11, 2022 13:16:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative. I've always felt the vibe is less "I'm not allowed to say bad things about AEW" so much as it is "If I'm critical, everyone is going to assume I'm kissing Vince's ass and have all of Vince's unacceptable views."
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 11, 2022 13:23:38 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative. I think most of the worst people who were propagating that feeling have been long since banned and the idea largely isn't true anymore, combined with more people being openly critical, though I do think there are still some remnants of that thought process around given a negative thread can't be made about anything to do with AEW without multiple immediate attempts to shut down the conversation and deriding it as a waste of everyone's time.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 11, 2022 13:28:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative. I think most of the worst people who were propagating that feeling have been long since banned and the idea largely isn't true anymore, combined with more people being openly critical, though I do think there are still some remnants of that thought process around given a negative thread can't be made about anything to do with AEW without multiple immediate attempts to shut down the conversation and deriding it as a waste of everyone's time. Yeah, there is one guy that could really do with just not replying at times (you know who you are), but I'm glad we can have mostly chill discussion about things AEW could do better.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 11, 2022 14:03:02 GMT -5
Who else could have had the vision of 'have money, make a wrestling show'
I didn't catch this line but it is goofy
Also way low down on the scale of stupid arrogant shit promoters have done
Including him, probably
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 14:30:13 GMT -5
Are we making threads to like... nitpick every single little thing AEW does lately? Because holy shit it really feels like that's been the mood the last few days... Like of all things to give a shit about, how can you muster up anger/annoyance at a throwaway line like this? I just don't get it I guess, it's whatever. You know, I think the worst of this forum is this whole 'man, you care about this?' attitude. We are allowed to have opinions, and unless they stray into the outright bizarre with the glory days of "KEVIN STEEN IS FAT!!!"-posting I just don't how someone caring about something you don't can be so baffling. I'm not one of those people who ends up in a state of amazing agitation when people keep responding to them, I think that's really overhyped as an issue - but what, I mean, is it really so baffling that someone might remark on a textbook bit of aggrandizement? Everyone clowns on WWE whenever they attempt to portray themselves as great philanthropists - I don't see any difference here. I do apologize for being a proponent of the "amazing agitation" and even the "we cannot talk negative about aew" narrative. I have since nearly stopped responding altogether outside of live threads while I am actively watching each product. I have created unnecessary tension and burnt bridges I didn't intend to while doing so. With that said I want to give you a bit of insight into why that meltdown occurred and how I have corrected going forward. In 2011 shortly following leaving the army I was injured and was in a coma for 8 hours suffering from left frontal lobe encephalopathy. This caused issues with my nervous system and other issues I battle daily. I have always been a recluse even though I work in the public and this place was always an oasis of sorts. I started to become overwhelmed when I felt like I was unable to share my opinion because the immediate retorts did not ever take those opinions into consideration it was instant attempts to devalue. I had constant issues with one individual who I felt was invading my public space to participate here and tried for months to express my frustration publically and privately. I never personally intended to cause issues for this forum or the others that enjoy it as much as I do. I've been around since before we were even on proboards in one way or another and had felt lost while dealing with my own struggles. These are not excuses for my actions simply an explanation that even when I had someone blocked I couldn't get communication to stop so I chose to be an asshat in response. Sorry for the long diatribe but this in addition to work, my son's autism, and long term mental health led to my bad decisions over the last 8 months or so. In the end I have taken a large step back from this forum and social media in general and have found more productive avenues to vent my frustration and you will not see those "phishing" lines thrown from me again.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 11, 2022 14:33:18 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative. I've always felt the vibe is less "I'm not allowed to say bad things about AEW" so much as it is "If I'm critical, everyone is going to assume I'm kissing Vince's ass and have all of Vince's unacceptable views." It's more Rick & Morty style, "oh you probably just don't get it” type stuff sometimes. The amount of times the past couple of years I’ve made some vaguely critical comment like so and so storyline is dragging on too long and been greeted with patronizing responses not far off “oww, is wittle baby not used to grown up stories, maybe stick to kiddie WWE stuff.” I forget exactly which thread, but it’s going on in another one right now with comments about how people are disliking some AEW stuff right now not because they truly dislike it but because they’ve been brainwashed by WWE for 20 years and don’t know any better. The implication being that once they shake their apparent Stockholm or whatever they’ll be able to enjoy it which is the subjectively correct opinion to hold. I don’t recall getting comments like this for criticising WWE/Impact/NJPW. Like there will absolutely be people calling it masterful long-term storytelling when Christian turns on Jungle Boy and they’re entitled to think that equally as much as I can think it’s been like 10 out of 12 months progressing absolutely nothing and been boring as hell. It has nothing to do with not understanding it or comparing it to something else. We’re all fully capable of forming our own opinions and no one’s is superior or inferior to the other.
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Post by Venti on Jun 11, 2022 14:41:41 GMT -5
I've always felt the vibe is less "I'm not allowed to say bad things about AEW" so much as it is "If I'm critical, everyone is going to assume I'm kissing Vince's ass and have all of Vince's unacceptable views." It's more Rick & Morty style, "oh you probably just don't get it” type stuff sometimes. The amount of times the past couple of years I’ve made some vaguely critical comment like so and so storyline is dragging on too long and been greeted with patronizing responses not far off “oww, is wittle baby not used to grown up stories, maybe stick to kiddie WWE stuff.” I forget exactly which thread, but it’s going on in another one right now with comments about how people are disliking some AEW stuff right now not because they truly dislike it but because they’ve been brainwashed by WWE for 20 years and don’t know any better. The implication being that once they shake their apparent Stockholm or whatever they’ll be able to enjoy it which is the subjectively correct opinion to hold. I don’t recall getting comments like this for criticising WWE/Impact/NJPW. Like there will absolutely be people calling it masterful long-term storytelling when Christian turns on Jungle Boy and they’re entitled to think that equally as much as I can think it’s been like 10 out of 12 months progressing absolutely nothing and been boring as hell. It has nothing to do with not understanding it or comparing it to something else. We’re all fully capable of forming our own opinions and no one’s is superior or inferior to the other. Some people can't accept that some people have different tastes, and something they think is brilliant someone else might think absolutely sucks. Also, I hope no one actually thinks anybody is actually mad about this line(the thread topic that is. I just think it's funny to dunk on TK cause I do think the dude is a clown. He doesn't live "rent free" in my head rofl
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Post by pinja on Jun 11, 2022 14:53:03 GMT -5
It's more Rick & Morty style, "oh you probably just don't get it” type stuff sometimes. The amount of times the past couple of years I’ve made some vaguely critical comment like so and so storyline is dragging on too long and been greeted with patronizing responses not far off “oww, is wittle baby not used to grown up stories, maybe stick to kiddie WWE stuff.” I forget exactly which thread, but it’s going on in another one right now with comments about how people are disliking some AEW stuff right now not because they truly dislike it but because they’ve been brainwashed by WWE for 20 years and don’t know any better. The implication being that once they shake their apparent Stockholm or whatever they’ll be able to enjoy it which is the subjectively correct opinion to hold. I don’t recall getting comments like this for criticising WWE/Impact/NJPW. Like there will absolutely be people calling it masterful long-term storytelling when Christian turns on Jungle Boy and they’re entitled to think that equally as much as I can think it’s been like 10 out of 12 months progressing absolutely nothing and been boring as hell. It has nothing to do with not understanding it or comparing it to something else. We’re all fully capable of forming our own opinions and no one’s is superior or inferior to the other. Some people can't accept that some people have different tastes, and something they think is brilliant someone else might think absolutely sucks. Also, I hope no one actually thinks anybody is actually mad about this line(the thread topic that is. I just think it's funny to dunk on TK cause I do think the dude is a clown. He doesn't live "rent free" in my head rofl That's how billionaires make their money. All of us busy bees care about not spending more than 1/3 of our income on rent, while Tony takes his 1/3 and invests it in black market Pokémon trading cards and rare Furby colerings.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 11, 2022 16:12:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not minding the more critical threads lately just because they'll hopefully lay waste to the "I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT AEW" narrative. I think most of the worst people who were propagating that feeling have been long since banned and the idea largely isn't true anymore, combined with more people being openly critical, though I do think there are still some remnants of that thought process around given a negative thread can't be made about anything to do with AEW without multiple immediate attempts to shut down the conversation and deriding it as a waste of everyone's time.There have been about a dozen negative AEW threads in the last week and a half, and I could not tell you that I've seen people attempting to shut them down whatsoever. I've seen plenty of counterpoints, but I don't really see people trying to shut down negative threads at this particular time. Some people have thought this one was a bit ridiculous, and women's discussion is a f***ing nuclear apocalypse, but "No negative thread can be made without people saying it's a waste of time"? That I'm not really seeing anymore And tbh, if some people think a negative thread is a waste of time, that's just their opinion, doesn't make them right, doesn't mean they're wrong for thinking it's a waste of time in their personal opinion either, it's just always come off as pretty confrontational on this board. Maybe less so lately? But that one's hard to tell, but there's certainly been enough very noticeable negative threads that I can't particularly say people are being shouted down for what they think.
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Post by dpg on Jun 11, 2022 17:03:53 GMT -5
And failing. I don't think they've stayed in the prem for more than one season under the Khans. Had to google their standings under the Khans and you're right! I thought they had two seasons in the prem somewhere in between, but no. And they'll prolly gonna go with Mitro as the no.9 into next season. But at least we'll get all the cool dudes appearing on Dynamite. Nope, bumping up and down, never looking like staying up.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 13, 2022 9:13:00 GMT -5
You know, I think the worst of this forum is this whole 'man, you care about this?' attitude. We are allowed to have opinions, and unless they stray into the outright bizarre with the glory days of "KEVIN STEEN IS FAT!!!"-posting I just don't how someone caring about something you don't can be so baffling. I'm not one of those people who ends up in a state of amazing agitation when people keep responding to them, I think that's really overhyped as an issue - but what, I mean, is it really so baffling that someone might remark on a textbook bit of aggrandizement? Everyone clowns on WWE whenever they attempt to portray themselves as great philanthropists - I don't see any difference here. I do apologize for being a proponent of the "amazing agitation" and even the "we cannot talk negative about aew" narrative. I have since nearly stopped responding altogether outside of live threads while I am actively watching each product. I have created unnecessary tension and burnt bridges I didn't intend to while doing so. With that said I want to give you a bit of insight into why that meltdown occurred and how I have corrected going forward. In 2011 shortly following leaving the army I was injured and was in a coma for 8 hours suffering from left frontal lobe encephalopathy. This caused issues with my nervous system and other issues I battle daily. I have always been a recluse even though I work in the public and this place was always an oasis of sorts. I started to become overwhelmed when I felt like I was unable to share my opinion because the immediate retorts did not ever take those opinions into consideration it was instant attempts to devalue. I had constant issues with one individual who I felt was invading my public space to participate here and tried for months to express my frustration publically and privately. I never personally intended to cause issues for this forum or the others that enjoy it as much as I do. I've been around since before we were even on proboards in one way or another and had felt lost while dealing with my own struggles. These are not excuses for my actions simply an explanation that even when I had someone blocked I couldn't get communication to stop so I chose to be an asshat in response. Sorry for the long diatribe but this in addition to work, my son's autism, and long term mental health led to my bad decisions over the last 8 months or so. In the end I have taken a large step back from this forum and social media in general and have found more productive avenues to vent my frustration and you will not see those "phishing" lines thrown from me again. We have a lot in common. Moreso than I'm comfortable going into publicly, but I can say I had a similar breaking point too my friend, I get it. I think several of us have been on that side of the fence where we tried to resolve it both publicly and privately, but oddly enough nothing changes. I have theories, but at the end of the day it's all just conjecture. I avoided this section like the plague for a long while, and came back to find it's still the same song and dance. For the first time in over a decade (I've been around also since the pre-FAN days, but for years was just a lurker due to my chronic shyness) I had to block someone. It wasn't a great feeling. Hopefully one day something will be done about it, and we can all chat happily again, differences and all, without feeling attacked.
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Post by Dang! on Jun 13, 2022 10:33:15 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling, man! Everything is blown up and hyped. It was cringe, but nothing worth a whole thread. Tony Khan isn't a visionary, Vince McMahon isn't an evil genius and most "giants" aren't 7 feet tall.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2022 10:36:10 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling, man! Everything is blown up and hyped. It was cringe, but nothing worth a whole thread. Tony Khan isn't a visionary, Vince McMahon isn't an evil genius and most "giants" aren't 7 feet tall. But the cage was 30 feet and Jack Tunney was on the take!!
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