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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 13, 2022 14:13:53 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more Matt must have an obscene amount of self-control to not absolutely explode at Jeff for basically completely f***ing up their honest-to-God last chance at a Hardy Boyz nostalgia run. But heck, it wouldn't be a Hardy nostalgia run without Jeff f***ing it up somewhere, so um, yay for unintentional historic accuracy? Matt couldn't get him into AEW fast enough and hand waved off anyone who suggested Jeff was in jeopardy. He's openly talking about Jeff not remembering a match he just had for f***'s sake. Be a brother and stop putting milking money out of nostalgia over the guy's f***ing health
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 13, 2022 14:14:06 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more Matt must have an obscene amount of self-control to not absolutely explode at Jeff for basically completely f***ing up their honest-to-God last chance at a Hardy Boyz nostalgia run. But heck, it wouldn't be a Hardy nostalgia run without Jeff f***ing it up somewhere, so um, yay for unintentional historic accuracy? Again though, Matt is the one who was pulling the hardest for this run and he must know Jeff is in no condition to do this anymore. If all of us watching on TV can see that then his own brother should. I'm not excusing Jeff at all, he's a grown man who can say no but he did say that Matt was over-working him and booking them too much.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 13, 2022 14:14:15 GMT -5
It still angers me that Jimmy Uso was REWARDED after his DUI if anything. Tony should NOT make that mistake as well. I have no idea where this will go, not sure they'll fire him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 14:14:33 GMT -5
Seem people don't understand that drug addicts relapse and that just because he was high yesterday doesn't mean he was high 6 months ago I don't think many people are begrudging Jeff for having an illness that he is clearly not always able to keep in check. It's awesome that he seems to have gotten himself together for the last year. But, many (myself included) are begrudging him for allowing his illness to endanger others by consistently getting behind the wheel of a car, and for apparently refusing to get himself treatment he obviously needs, or at least to accept help from those trying to provide it. I don't dislike Jeff for being an addict. I just want him to get help before this ends horribly, like it just did for Sunny, for example.
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Post by Facetious on Jun 13, 2022 14:16:37 GMT -5
We're really pretending WWE was caring about the guy when the only reason they told him to go to rehab was because he walked out on a match? BEFORE his results came back? And when they did come back clean, he was promptly asked to come back with a HOF spot?
Jeff is his own man, he needs to realize he needs help, not others demanding he needs it. But unfortunately he has boat loads of money that will continue to get him out of trouble
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 13, 2022 14:17:45 GMT -5
I won't begrudge him for his addiction troubles but I will begrudge him for endlessly showing that he doesn't give a shit about other people by constantly being completely reckless about it, being wrestling while out of it or driving. Struggles happen but having a 20 year track record of continually putting other people in danger is inexcusable.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 13, 2022 14:17:56 GMT -5
They fired him because he refused to go to rehab And then asked him to come back when his drug tests came back negative. The quotes from Jeff about that made it seem it was a Hall of Fame offer only and not a talent contract. Because he mentioned how would it work if he was in AEW by then and he turned it down because it would just be him going in and not Matt.
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Post by Burst on Jun 13, 2022 14:19:49 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of us are making a lot of assumptions in both directions about how much Matt knew/didn't know about Jeff's condition. Yes, he was definitely aggressively pushing for this run, but pragmatically he probably did see it as one last chance to reunite before Jeff completely fell apart physically. Is that enabling in its own, vaguely Stage Mom sort of way? Sure, but knowing Jeff was physically falling apart doesn't mean he knew Jeff was falling or had already fallen off the wagon. I can't imagine Jeff being open about whatever he's using or drinking or whatever especially if he knows Matt is about to Stage Mom him.
Now, if it comes out that Jeff's relapse is a direct response to the ridiculous bumps he's been taking during this run, we can have a different conversation, but for the moment I'm willing to give Matt the benefit of the doubt regarding Jeff's behavior.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 13, 2022 14:19:53 GMT -5
Again WWE is very selective on when they “take a stand” on such issues.
So I give them little credit here either.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 13, 2022 14:23:32 GMT -5
Seem people don't understand that drug addicts relapse and that just because he was high yesterday doesn't mean he was high 6 months ago I don't think many people are begrudging Jeff for having an illness that he is clearly not always able to keep in check. It's awesome that he seems to have gotten himself together for the last year. Sadly, I doubt he had actually gotten himself together for anything close to a year. He sure seemed high/wasted during that Wrestlemania weekend appearance a couple of months ago. And some people tried to say it was no big deal (maybe if it was post-match I'd agree) but it was absolutely erratic behaviour to leave a house show main event mid-match and start wandering around the crowd. His tag partners (Drew and someone else I forget) clearly had no idea what was going on. At best it was unprofessional.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 14:30:27 GMT -5
What can I say, other than: goddamn it, Jeff.
Actually, you know what, I'll add this. I'll say the same thing here that I said when Jimmy Uso ****ed up yet again: this is his 3rd DWI. Get his ass to rehab, and fire him if he refuses. Anything else is negligent. If Matt doesn't like it, he can go too.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 13, 2022 14:32:10 GMT -5
Addiction is a horrible thing and I'll always have sympathy for anyone that has/had those issues. That's a completely separate thing from DUI though. As soon as you step into a car and put others at risk, that sympathy starts running out.
Maybe Jeff relapses because of the pain he's in or maybe it's just addiction. It's not going to get better until he takes the steps himself to make it better. At the very least, I'd expect him to be pulled from Dynamite for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 14:34:20 GMT -5
Are there any jobs Jeff could do that are not in the ring? Match production, scout, trainer, anything. The guy need help and something that isn’t him killing his body, turn to his addictions, than rinse and repeat.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 13, 2022 14:37:28 GMT -5
Get help Jeff
That man should not be in the ring and enabled no more
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Post by bob on Jun 13, 2022 14:38:05 GMT -5
fire his dumb ass
this was his one last chance with a major company, and he just blew it
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Post by Dub H on Jun 13, 2022 14:42:36 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of us are making a lot of assumptions in both directions about how much Matt knew/didn't know about Jeff's condition. Yes, he was definitely aggressively pushing for this run, but pragmatically he probably did see it as one last chance to reunite before Jeff completely fell apart physically. Is that enabling in its own, vaguely Stage Mom sort of way? Sure, but knowing Jeff was physically falling apart doesn't mean he knew Jeff was falling or had already fallen off the wagon. I can't imagine Jeff being open about whatever he's using or drinking or whatever especially if he knows Matt is about to Stage Mom him. Now, if it comes out that Jeff's relapse is a direct response to the ridiculous bumps he's been taking during this run, we can have a different conversation, but for the moment I'm willing to give Matt the benefit of the doubt regarding Jeff's behavior. All we know for sure eis that the dude got high and went driving again and that is enough reason to send him to get help or at least pull him from the show
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 13, 2022 14:43:00 GMT -5
Are there any jobs Jeff could do that are not in the ring? Match production, scout, trainer, anything. The guy need help and something that isn’t him killing his body, turn to his addictions, than rinse and repeat. Painting, merch-designing, music? Though he really could use probation right now.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 13, 2022 14:44:35 GMT -5
Again WWE is very selective on when they “take a stand” on such issues. So I give them little credit here either. WWE firing him was completely reactionary to him taking himself out of a match. They seemingly went against their own policies and offered him rehab when they had no proof he was using at the time. If anything, they only had proof to the contrary because drug tests were negative. And for all we know, he could've been clean at the time and it wasn't until his AEW run that he relapsed again. Between that and them continuing to reward Jimmy Uso after a history of DUI's, they're no saints in this at all. If AEW follows in their example, then the Hardys are winning the tag titles this week.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 13, 2022 14:49:03 GMT -5
Addiction is a horrible thing and I'll always have sympathy for anyone that has/had those issues. That's a completely separate thing from DUI though. As soon as you step into a car and put others at risk, that sympathy starts running out. The scary thing with people like Jeff and the Usos is that if they've been caught DUI multiple times then they've likely done it many other times and just not been caught. Realistically, there could be dozens if not more occasions they've put people's lives at risk and got away with it and if they don't stop one day it can easily end in catastrophe like Sunny.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 13, 2022 14:49:32 GMT -5
Jeff will never change. He'll make shitty little videos where he talks about how sorry he is and how this time is gonna be different.
No it won't, no he won't.
He's rich and has no incentive to change.
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