VINCEWATCH 2022: Update p66

[john84]

Jun 15, 2022 20:14:01 GMT -5 @dax said:

Yikes.

That's pretty much the reaction I had when I first read the news article.

[ssdrivin]

Jun 15, 2022 20:12:11 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I mean, if it was straight up consensual then, not being funny, this wouldn’t be a story. Like, at all. Not remotely. Nobody would be investigating and the WSJ wouldn’t be trying to get quotes about it.

Because of the connotations and what else happened and because nobody gave any sort of comment before publication? It so far doesn’t look great.

Sure, the people in this thread saying "you don't pay hush money for something you didn't do wrong" are absolutely right, it does all sound suspiciously sketchy.


Perhaps it could be justified by a desire for the news not to get out that Vince and Linda weren't really together, given her career aspirations, as that might not sit well with the sort of people she would be trying to gain favour with. That would be a "legitimate" interpretation of what could've happened, even though everybody was participating with full informed consent with no coercion involved. Linda might not have cared, Vince got what he wanted, and whoever he was playing away with might've been into it too, but neither Vince or Linda would've wanted that splashed about the newspapers when Linda was trying to do her solo thing.

I'm not suggesting that's what did happen, I've got no more knowledge of it than the rest of you, so I can only make stuff up that sounds semi-plausible. I've no desire to defend any highly questionable behaviour either. But I do think it's fair to say that we don't yet know what happened and - even if it's a bit scuzzy, it may all technically be above board, in a court of law.

Not that I want to rain on the parade, I just thought that particular exchange above was a bit... overly forceful, given that it's not 100% confirmed as fact that what we all think happened actually happened the way we all think it did. If you see what I mean.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 15, 2022 19:56:53 GMT -5 hbkid718 said:

Jun 15, 2022 19:53:58 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Starting with the very basic:

You dont pay Hush Money for something you didnt do wrong.

He didn't rape her. It was consensual. She didn't have to take the money. Again, we don't know if this really happened. Someone emailed the board of directors and said this happened. So, until this proven fact, I have no problem with it.

I mean, you’re not wrong but history kind of points to what happened here. It’s like a reverse Boy Who Cried Wolf.

[Dub H]

Jun 15, 2022 20:18:29 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

Jun 15, 2022 20:12:11 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I mean, if it was straight up consensual then, not being funny, this wouldn’t be a story. Like, at all. Not remotely. Nobody would be investigating and the WSJ wouldn’t be trying to get quotes about it.

Because of the connotations and what else happened and because nobody gave any sort of comment before publication? It so far doesn’t look great.

Sure, the people in this thread saying "you don't pay hush money for something you didn't do wrong" are absolutely right, it does all sound suspiciously sketchy.


Perhaps it could be justified by a desire for the news not to get out that Vince and Linda weren't really together, given her career aspirations, as that might not sit well with the sort of people she would be trying to gain favour with. That would be a "legitimate" interpretation of what could've happened, even though everybody was participating with full informed consent with no coercion involved. Linda might not have cared, Vince got what he wanted, and whoever he was playing away with might've been into it too, but neither Vince or Linda would've wanted that splashed about the newspapers when Linda was trying to do her solo thing.

I'm not suggesting that's what did happen, I've got no more knowledge of it than the rest of you, so I can only make stuff up that sounds semi-plausible. I've no desire to defend any highly questionable behaviour either. But I do think it's fair to say that we don't yet know what happened and - even if it's a bit scuzzy, it may all technically be above board, in a court of law.

Not that I want to rain on the parade, I just thought that particular exchange above was a bit... overly forceful, given that it's not 100% confirmed as fact that what we all think happened actually happened the way we all think it did. If you see what I mean.

I didnt go deeper but even if its not rape,its completely not okay to hire people to pass around executives as a toy.

Just even with taking rape out of the table everything is not okay.

[Feargus McReddit]

I have no problem with locking this thread at this point, a lot of you need to a) think about what you post and b) calm the hell down.

This will be my last warning.

[J. Hova]

I doubt anything comes of this. If I've learned anything from 30 plus years of watching, it is that Vince always skates.

[The Rick Jericho]

Jun 15, 2022 20:26:44 GMT -5 J. Hova said:

I doubt anything comes of this. If I've learned anything from 30 plus years of watching, it is that Vince always skates.

Because in the end, Jerry always seems to come through for him, minus the WWF lawsuit.

[ssdrivin]

Jun 15, 2022 20:23:32 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Jun 15, 2022 20:18:29 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

Sure, the people in this thread saying "you don't pay hush money for something you didn't do wrong" are absolutely right, it does all sound suspiciously sketchy.


Perhaps it could be justified by a desire for the news not to get out that Vince and Linda weren't really together, given her career aspirations, as that might not sit well with the sort of people she would be trying to gain favour with. That would be a "legitimate" interpretation of what could've happened, even though everybody was participating with full informed consent with no coercion involved. Linda might not have cared, Vince got what he wanted, and whoever he was playing away with might've been into it too, but neither Vince or Linda would've wanted that splashed about the newspapers when Linda was trying to do her solo thing.

I'm not suggesting that's what did happen, I've got no more knowledge of it than the rest of you, so I can only make stuff up that sounds semi-plausible. I've no desire to defend any highly questionable behaviour either. But I do think it's fair to say that we don't yet know what happened and - even if it's a bit scuzzy, it may all technically be above board, in a court of law.

Not that I want to rain on the parade, I just thought that particular exchange above was a bit... overly forceful, given that it's not 100% confirmed as fact that what we all think happened actually happened the way we all think it did. If you see what I mean.

I didnt go deeper but even if its not rape,its completely not okay to hire people to pass around executives as a toy.

Just even with taking rape out of the table everything is not okay.

Well, of course, I'm not suggesting that's a reasonable way to treat another human being, as some sort of "adult entertainment robot". I'm just saying that the discussion above seemed to be based on the idea that it definitely did happen exactly as we've been told it did. You know what the press is like, even just in wrestling, there's always some kind of news that comes out that seems huge but then it turns out it was all just kinda nothing in the end and some hack reporter got the wrong end of the stick or sexed up the story based on a lack of detail so it was more than just a handful of unexciting factoids.

I certainly don't believe it's beyond comprehension that what's claimed did happen, I just don't think we should be swearing at each other for believing, or not believing, without all of the actual facts at hand.

[The Trashman]

Johnny Ace is toast but I don't see Vince stepping down unless it gets alot worse.

[Aceorton]

Add me to the list of those here who unfortunately don't think this will be enough to bring Vince down, at least given what's being alleged so far. The man is a human cockroach. Normal businesspeople wouldn't survive a fifth of what he's done or believed to have done over the years. Wrestling is seedy, even if it's publicly traded, and I suspect most of the investors who deal with him have a fairly good idea of whom they were getting in bed with, so to speak. I hope I'm wrong, because Vince is long overdue for some kind of reckoning, somehow. But in 2022, rich white men in charge of companies skate all the time.

[Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃]

When the steroids trial hit, Vince had a Jarrett in the wings waiting to take over….

Flash forward thirty years later and Jeff Jarrett is hired for a very high-profile executive position.

Hmm….

[Natural Born Farmer]

Well of course it's not hush money, why would you think that?!

She's just not going to say anything because of the implication.

[Starshine]

One of the blessings, and also curses, of being Vince McMahon is that since WWE is generally regarded as dense low-rent trash by the majority, he's never going to be held to the level of scrutiny that someone being the head of, say, a bank, or tech co. would be held to. The only way I could see something like this seriously affecting him were if someone like FOX, or NBCUniversal had controlling stakes.

So I'm not confident anything will actually come from this. The people left who still watch WWE don't actually care anyway with how much they're willing to turn a blind eye to, so what does it matter?

[The Rick Jericho]

[Dub H]

Jun 15, 2022 20:49:09 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

The problems starts with the man in charge.

it will only be replaced by another scummy man that trades favors.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jun 15, 2022 19:46:14 GMT -5 hbkid718 said:

If Vince paid the woman off with his own money, then who cares? It was a consensual relationship. It's an issue between him & his wife. It is only an issue if WWE funds were used. So, until everything is proven true, I have no issues with this.

Because it's women at this point, according to the article, and if you are seeking relationships with women in your company as the person who has all the control over the company, and you can double someone's eight figure salary as a gift for putting out, then there is a lot that is nowhere near as consensual as you're making it out to be.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jun 15, 2022 19:48:22 GMT -5 thehottag said:

Jun 15, 2022 19:46:14 GMT -5 hbkid718 said:

If Vince paid the woman off with his own money, then who cares? It was a consensual relationship. It's an issue between him & his wife. It is only an issue if WWE funds were used. So, until everything is proven true, I have no issues with this.

You don't have an issue where the higher-ups of a company use a woman's money troubles to gain her favour, then pass her between each other for sex & then pay money to hush it up?

And she reportedly went from $100k a year to $200k a year after the relationship, so company money was used.

[The Rick Jericho]

Jun 15, 2022 21:08:31 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Jun 15, 2022 20:49:09 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

The problems starts with the man in charge.

it will only be replaced by another scummy man that trades favors.

I can see them bringing back Mark Carrano.

Because WWE...

[sfvega]

In the pantheon of "bad shit Vince has done", this barely registers. Which says both a lot about Vince and a lot about how much you can get away with, with the help of money.

If this is the thing that finally holds him accountable for what a POS he's been/continues to be, then fine. But it's long overdue. As much as people on here love to talk about "kooky ol Vince", seriously, that guy is human garbage.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Also the irony is not lost on me that Vince paid millions, MILLIONS in hush money over this scandal, but cut dozens upon dozens of wrestlers during a pandemic, and during record profit margins... due to "Budget Cuts"

Karma is a BITCH.