|
Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 11, 2022 6:28:17 GMT -5
Oh jeez, he's one of Those. Not Regal. I thought he was better than this!
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 236,196
Member is Online
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 11, 2022 6:38:59 GMT -5
Oh jeez, he's one of Those. Not Regal. I thought he was better than this! Could you at least read the thread before posting stuff like this? Like he is better than "one of those" and this take is being taken wildly out of context and being given knee jerk reactions like this.
|
|
|
Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 11, 2022 7:10:23 GMT -5
Oh jeez, he's one of Those. Not Regal. I thought he was better than this! Could you at least read the thread before posting stuff like this? Like he is better than "one of those" and this take is being taken wildly out of context and being given knee jerk reactions like this. I've read the whole article, because I like him, so no, it's not a "knee jerk reaction". People spending time on social media has nothing to do with their work ethic or passion. Nor is it as simple as "work hard and you'll get opportunities" in pro wrestling. Or life, for that matter. And I'd rather have young guys spending their time looking on their phones than whatever they got up to in Regal's day. Phones are the way of the world for most people now. I hate social media, but Mox et al not using social media doesn't make them better or more deserving than anyone else.
|
|
|
Post by carter 15 on Jul 11, 2022 7:13:02 GMT -5
Could you at least read the thread before posting stuff like this? Like he is better than "one of those" and this take is being taken wildly out of context and being given knee jerk reactions like this. I've read the whole article, because I like him, so no, it's not a "knee jerk reaction". People spending time on social media has nothing to do with their work ethic or passion. Nor is it as simple as "work hard and you'll get opportunities" in pro wrestling. Or life, for that matter. And I'd rather have young guys spending their time looking on their phones than whatever they got up to in Regal's day. Phones are the way of the world for most people now. I hate social media, but Mox et al not using social media doesn't make them better or more deserving than anyone else. I understand you read the whole article but i think you may have misinterpreted quite a bit of it.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 11, 2022 7:14:11 GMT -5
Could you at least read the thread before posting stuff like this? Like he is better than "one of those" and this take is being taken wildly out of context and being given knee jerk reactions like this. I've read the whole article, because I like him, so no, it's not a "knee jerk reaction". People spending time on social media has nothing to do with their work ethic or passion. Nor is it as simple as "work hard and you'll get opportunities" in pro wrestling. Or life, for that matter. And I'd rather have young guys spending their time looking on their phones than whatever they got up to in Regal's day. Phones are the way of the world for most people now. I hate social media, but Mox et al not using social media doesn't make them better or more deserving than anyone else. I'd recommend listening to the podcast has his point was more to people complaining to him because they weren't getting a push or used and his response was put in the extra work and show that want it and deserve it
|
|
|
Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 11, 2022 7:26:24 GMT -5
I've read the whole article, because I like him, so no, it's not a "knee jerk reaction". People spending time on social media has nothing to do with their work ethic or passion. Nor is it as simple as "work hard and you'll get opportunities" in pro wrestling. Or life, for that matter. And I'd rather have young guys spending their time looking on their phones than whatever they got up to in Regal's day. Phones are the way of the world for most people now. I hate social media, but Mox et al not using social media doesn't make them better or more deserving than anyone else. I'd recommend listening to the podcast has his point was more to people complaining to him because they weren't getting a push or used and his response was put in the extra work and show that want it and deserve it That's fair, but paragraphs 4 and 7 of the article have direct quotes where he specifically mentions being on their phones when they could be working. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. The writer of the article doesn't help by adding that those without social media "lead by example" in the last part. But that's not Regal naming them.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 11, 2022 7:37:27 GMT -5
I'd recommend listening to the podcast has his point was more to people complaining to him because they weren't getting a push or used and his response was put in the extra work and show that want it and deserve it That's fair, but paragraphs 4 and 7 of the article have direct quotes where he specifically mentions being on their phones when they could be working. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. The writer of the article doesn't help by adding that those without social media "lead by example" in the last part. But that's not Regal naming them. It was like a minute or so in a three-hour podcast. All he was saying was there were people who complain but don't do anything to better themselves. He's not saying it's bad to be on your phone. He's saying it's bad to be on your phone if you're bitter but not taking the time to try and improve at your craft. The tone was that AEW has this world class roster, many of which go out to the ring before a show and offer to help talent get better and he's confused that some folks would rather sit backstage. I don't think a veteran calling out complacency is a bad thing. I feel like Taker's weird take on the locker rooms has poisoned the well when it comes to other veterans talking about this stuff. Regal's not coming at this from a negative place or trying to say that the old days were better. He's saying that he's surprised more people don't take up the opportunity to try and improve during the one day they're at an AEW show.
|
|
|
Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 11, 2022 7:48:17 GMT -5
That's fair, but paragraphs 4 and 7 of the article have direct quotes where he specifically mentions being on their phones when they could be working. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. The writer of the article doesn't help by adding that those without social media "lead by example" in the last part. But that's not Regal naming them. It was like a minute or so in a three-hour podcast. All he was saying was there were people who complain but don't do anything to better themselves. He's not saying it's bad to be on your phone. He's saying it's bad to be on your phone if you're bitter but not taking the time to try and improve at your craft. The tone was that AEW has this world class roster, many of which go out to the ring before a show and offer to help talent get better and he's confused that some folks would rather sit backstage. I don't think a veteran calling out complacency is a bad thing. I feel like Taker's weird take on the locker rooms has poisoned the well when it comes to other veterans talking about this stuff. Regal's not coming at this from a negative place or trying to say that the old days were better. He's saying that he's surprised more people don't take up the opportunity to try and improve during the one day they're at an AEW show. Yeah, this is fair. You actually make the points much better than the article does.
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on Jul 11, 2022 9:17:42 GMT -5
I'd recommend listening to the podcast has his point was more to people complaining to him because they weren't getting a push or used and his response was put in the extra work and show that want it and deserve it That's fair, but paragraphs 4 and 7 of the article have direct quotes where he specifically mentions being on their phones when they could be working. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. The writer of the article doesn't help by adding that those without social media "lead by example" in the last part. But that's not Regal naming them. If you’re backstage at work and just on your phone when you could be in the ring, asking questions and learning from some of the best to ever do it, I think it’s a reasonable stance to be a little bothered by that especially if the same person is then complaining about their spot.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 11, 2022 9:20:07 GMT -5
It was like a minute or so in a three-hour podcast. All he was saying was there were people who complain but don't do anything to better themselves. He's not saying it's bad to be on your phone. He's saying it's bad to be on your phone if you're bitter but not taking the time to try and improve at your craft. The tone was that AEW has this world class roster, many of which go out to the ring before a show and offer to help talent get better and he's confused that some folks would rather sit backstage. I don't think a veteran calling out complacency is a bad thing. I feel like Taker's weird take on the locker rooms has poisoned the well when it comes to other veterans talking about this stuff. Regal's not coming at this from a negative place or trying to say that the old days were better. He's saying that he's surprised more people don't take up the opportunity to try and improve during the one day they're at an AEW show. Yeah, this is fair. You actually make the points much better than the article does. Sure thing! I hope the "one minute" comment didn't come across as snarky, I just think a lot of times stuff gets lost in translation.
|
|
The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
Posts: 37,304
|
Post by The Ichi on Jul 11, 2022 9:48:26 GMT -5
Okay, so taking more time to read through the whole thing and what he says is pretty reasonable. I admit I've been subjected to too much oldschool wrestlers not realising that wrestling has evolved, but this wasn't it.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 11, 2022 11:04:03 GMT -5
That's fair, but paragraphs 4 and 7 of the article have direct quotes where he specifically mentions being on their phones when they could be working. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. The writer of the article doesn't help by adding that those without social media "lead by example" in the last part. But that's not Regal naming them. It was like a minute or so in a three-hour podcast. All he was saying was there were people who complain but don't do anything to better themselves. He's not saying it's bad to be on your phone. He's saying it's bad to be on your phone if you're bitter but not taking the time to try and improve at your craft. The tone was that AEW has this world class roster, many of which go out to the ring before a show and offer to help talent get better and he's confused that some folks would rather sit backstage. I don't think a veteran calling out complacency is a bad thing. I feel like Taker's weird take on the locker rooms has poisoned the well when it comes to other veterans talking about this stuff. Regal's not coming at this from a negative place or trying to say that the old days were better. He's saying that he's surprised more people don't take up the opportunity to try and improve during the one day they're at an AEW show. I'll use Joey Janela as an example. Insanely talented and creative but half the time he is more worried about twitter drama. It's like okay you want a shot... why are you arguing with trolls and having your dms be public? Like anywhere if you are a top guy maybe you get away with it but when you aren't being used you gotta show you want to be used. Tony Khan was on the radio last week and one person he made sure to praise was Abadon because she is going above and beyond not just in the gym but working at Dustin's school to continue to improve both her skill and presentation. He said while they may not have something for her right now he's already coming up with ideas for her (might be in ROH)
|
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,741
|
Post by lucas_lee on Jul 11, 2022 11:16:22 GMT -5
It was like a minute or so in a three-hour podcast. All he was saying was there were people who complain but don't do anything to better themselves. He's not saying it's bad to be on your phone. He's saying it's bad to be on your phone if you're bitter but not taking the time to try and improve at your craft. The tone was that AEW has this world class roster, many of which go out to the ring before a show and offer to help talent get better and he's confused that some folks would rather sit backstage. I don't think a veteran calling out complacency is a bad thing. I feel like Taker's weird take on the locker rooms has poisoned the well when it comes to other veterans talking about this stuff. Regal's not coming at this from a negative place or trying to say that the old days were better. He's saying that he's surprised more people don't take up the opportunity to try and improve during the one day they're at an AEW show. I'll use Joey Janela as an example. Insanely talented and creative but half the time he is more worried about twitter drama. It's like okay you want a shot... why are you arguing with trolls and having your dms be public? Like anywhere if you are a top guy maybe you get away with it but when you aren't being used you gotta show you want to be used. Tony Khan was on the radio last week and one person he made sure to praise was Abadon because she is going above and beyond not just in the gym but working at Dustin's school to continue to improve both her skill and presentation. He said while they may not have something for her right now he's already coming up with ideas for her (might be in ROH) To be fair we don't know who does what backstage unless their names are out there or we witnessed it. So I dont think putting Joey as an example is fair. The roster is top heavy right now and with the injuries they should give people shots. For this topic I'd say its a two way street, while the young talent should seek help from veterans, sometimes wrestlers don't realize their mistakes and veterans should pull them to the side and talk to them. Whether or not the wrestler listens is up to them.
|
|
Kalmia
King Koopa
Happy to be here
Posts: 11,713
|
Post by Kalmia on Jul 11, 2022 11:22:58 GMT -5
For some wrestlers, being on their phones will be part of their training. Maintaining a social presence, filming Cameos and stuff like that is part of wrestling now.
Wrestlers should be working on their game though. Whether its in-ring or promos, you never stop learning, and AEW is the kind of place that seems to recognize if someone is putting the time in and improving.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Jul 11, 2022 11:30:30 GMT -5
I do think we, as a generation, need to chill a bit on just assuming that "stop looking at your phones so much" talk is always in poor faith, and yeah, nothing here suggests Regal thinks things should go back to the way they were in his day regarding "extracurricular activities" around pro wrestling - he's speaking specifically about what to do while you are on the job, not what you're doing back at the hotel or when you're out before/after the show. Guys like Regal, Arn, and Sting, who've all been through harrowing ordeals concerning addiction, would likely be the first to say they'd rather see the talent playing games at the hotel after a show than doing self-destructive things in the name of bonding or whatever.
I think Regal brings up a very important point here that's getting overlooked a bit, as well: the fact that talent currently working for AEW gets one day a week to work on these things in person, assuming they're not enrolled in someone like QT's or Dustin's school full time. This is a massive difference from when Regal was coming up: the days of working 4-5 times a week are nearly gone, so you can't just keep going out there and assume you're just getting better every time. If you want to talk to and learn from legends like Regal, Henry, and Wight, or lean on experienced vets like Danielson, Deeb, et. al., you're going to have to go out of your way to talk to them during the one day a week they're all at work together. I'm sure some will happily share their phone number or whatever, but not everyone wants to talk shop when they're away from the office, so to speak.
And yeah, more generally I do think we culturally need a bit of a reckoning with our phones. Don't get me wrong, I'm an ancient Millenial who no doubt spends far, far too much time in front of screens, but we've repeatedly been over how toxic social media can get, and the "it's the same as people in the old days having their heads buried in newspaper!" memes severely miss the point of how interactive screens have a powerful effect on our thought patterns, abilities to interact with one another, our moods, and a ton of other things we're only going to learn more about as they unfold over time. What kind of content you're consuming via your screen can be a key difference, but we really don't have a parallel in human history for the kind of attention these things draw from us on a regular basis.
...oh, one last thing, I agree largely that it's not worth it to get annoyed if JR or something says your pin was weak when you could just, y'know, tighten up your pins, but I also wish there was a bit more communication between wrestlers and commentators on things like "Hey, during the match I'm going to do a couple covers that are meant to appear lackadaisical/nervous/unrefined/etc. and I'd love to integrate that into the match's story" would be cool.
|
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,741
|
Post by lucas_lee on Jul 11, 2022 11:36:00 GMT -5
I do think we, as a generation, need to chill a bit on just assuming that "stop looking at your phones so much" talk is always in poor faith, and yeah, nothing here suggests Regal thinks things should go back to the way they were in his day regarding "extracurricular activities" around pro wrestling - he's speaking specifically about what to do while you are on the job, not what you're doing back at the hotel or when you're out before/after the show. Guys like Regal, Arn, and Sting, who've all been through harrowing ordeals concerning addiction, would likely be the first to say they'd rather see the talent playing games at the hotel after a show than doing self-destructive things in the name of bonding or whatever. I think Regal brings up a very important point here that's getting overlooked a bit, as well: the fact that talent currently working for AEW gets one day a week to work on these things in person, assuming they're not enrolled in someone like QT's or Dustin's school full time. This is a massive difference from when Regal was coming up: the days of working 4-5 times a week are nearly gone, so you can't just keep going out there and assume you're just getting better every time. If you want to talk to and learn from legends like Regal, Henry, and Wight, or lean on experienced vets like Danielson, Deeb, et. al., you're going to have to go out of your way to talk to them during the one day a week they're all at work together. I'm sure some will happily share their phone number or whatever, but not everyone wants to talk shop when they're away from the office, so to speak. And yeah, more generally I do think we culturally need a bit of a reckoning with our phones. Don't get me wrong, I'm an ancient Millenial who no doubt spends far, far too much time in front of screens, but we've repeatedly been over how toxic social media can get, and the "it's the same as people in the old days having their heads buried in newspaper!" memes severely miss the point of how interactive screens have a powerful effect on our thought patterns, abilities to interact with one another, our moods, and a ton of other things we're only going to learn more about as they unfold over time. What kind of content you're consuming via your screen can be a key difference, but we really don't have a parallel in human history for the kind of attention these things draw from us on a regular basis. ...oh, one last thing, I agree largely that it's not worth it to get annoyed if JR or something says your pin was weak when you could just, y'know, tighten up your pins, but I also wish there was a bit more communication between wrestlers and commentators on things like "Hey, during the match I'm going to do a couple covers that are meant to appear lackadaisical/nervous/unrefined/etc. and I'd love to integrate that into the match's story" would be cool. I 100 percent agree with your last point. I think sometimes veterans should take the iniative and tell the younger wrestlers what they're doing wrong. A lot of wrestlers aren't going to know unless you tell them. Its up to the wrestlers if they take the advice. Also a lot of the wrestlers still work multiple indy days besides AEW and they pick up a lot of experience as well. Its just they have to find something for them.
|
|
|
Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 11, 2022 12:50:48 GMT -5
Some people absolutely are addicted to their phones. I'm sure most of us know people who spend hours upon hours per day on them. Some of us might even be those people. I have younger relatives who you practically have to bribe with some kind of incentive to get them to go outside even on a nice summer day because if you left them to their own devices they would happily sit indoors on their phone all day.
There's definitely an element of old man yells at cloud to it because previous generations were complaining about the same thing, just replace phones with video games.
|
|
tirtefaa
Unicron
If you wanna know the truth, you gotta dig up Johnny Booth.
Posts: 2,865
|
Post by tirtefaa on Jul 11, 2022 15:21:41 GMT -5
I guess it's considered an "old man" now to tell people to be productive? If that's the case, then I must've been Methuselah the amount of times I had to explain to my employees that while they were on the clock, they couldn't be on their phones, despite this being in our rulebook. There's a time and place. I also think people jumping to Regal drinking and doing drugs in the locker room is a gross representation of what he was suggesting. Seems like this was aimed at the people who seemed to want help but didn't know how to go about doing so.
|
|
|
Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jul 11, 2022 16:12:32 GMT -5
The job of a coach/trainer is basically to give you pointers for being better at your job.
What the hell is he SUPPOSED to say
|
|
|
Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Jul 11, 2022 16:40:46 GMT -5
Me and William Regal at a signing after I forgot to silence my phone
|
|