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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 19, 2022 13:54:57 GMT -5
WWE definitely to blame for sending him out there, but he is a grown man with enough about him to make his own decisions.
I think people would be surprised how many people have Vince's back on this.
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2022 14:08:12 GMT -5
I think people would be surprised how many people have Vince's back on this. I mean, probably? Not really sure what that has to do with our own reactions, especially if stuff actually comes out. You can have the locker room backing you want, doesn’t matter if you embezzled company funds for sex with employees and the public knows about it. EDIT: Also, the “grown ass man” stuff only goes so far when the person you’re potentially annoying has your entire livelihood in your hands.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 19, 2022 14:27:02 GMT -5
WWE definitely to blame for sending him out there, but he is a grown man with enough about him to make his own decisions. I think people would be surprised how many people have Vince's back on this. The allegations he was sent out there seemingly to try and smooth over are literally allegations of Vince using his authority and power to make people in his employ do things he wanted them to do. I'm not saying Titus couldn't have said no, but I will say that it'd be comically missing the point to pretend that the environment there is one of respect for boundaries.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 19, 2022 14:41:36 GMT -5
WWE definitely to blame for sending him out there, but he is a grown man with enough about him to make his own decisions. I think people would be surprised how many people have Vince's back on this. He probably would've been fired in a flash if he refused to follow the script. This is a guy who was suspended for touching Vince McMahon's arm. He's not going to test fate. I'd rather save the moral outrage for people not working for WWE defending McMahon.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 19, 2022 14:49:52 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm out of the loop, what happened? Titus opened Raw last night with a speech about how WWE aims to entertain everyone, and that the company is a safe haven from religion and politics. One of those times where I wish that YouTube still showed dislikes
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 19, 2022 16:15:58 GMT -5
I think people would be surprised how many people have Vince's back on this. I mean, probably? Not really sure what that has to do with our own reactions, especially if stuff actually comes out. You can have the locker room backing you want, doesn’t matter if you embezzled company funds for sex with employees and the public knows about it. EDIT: Also, the “grown ass man” stuff only goes so far when the person you’re potentially annoying has your entire livelihood in your hands. What it has to do with this, is people automatically assuming that Titus did this unwillingly. It's entirely possible he was perfectly happy to go out there and shill for the boss, plenty would. Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? Give Titus some credit for having the wherewithal to make his own choices, even if they are bad/dumb.
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2022 16:20:26 GMT -5
Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? I mean, of course people here are going to reply that and say no. You’re removing a lot of the context of everything that could lead to a decision like that. And if you need an example, look at the amount of people basically talking about how bad the company is creatively once they’re out and realizing there’s life outside the fed. Especially those who defended the fed inside of it. You might say “Well, they’re two faced” and hey, some might be, but the numbers are too great with exit interviews at this point where they ALL can’t be two faced, right?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 19, 2022 17:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 19, 2022 17:39:52 GMT -5
Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? I mean, of course people here are going to reply that and say no. You’re removing a lot of the context of everything that could lead to a decision like that. And if you need an example, look at the amount of people basically talking about how bad the company is creatively once they’re out and realizing there’s life outside the fed. Especially those who defended the fed inside of it. You might say “Well, they’re two faced” and hey, some might be, but the numbers are too great with exit interviews at this point where they ALL can’t be two faced, right? Wrestlers who defend the WWE's TV product are generally criticised for being shills - Seth Rollins being a notable example. And standing up for a TV show is in no way comparable to standing up for someone accused of what Vince is being accused of. That's why I'm confused at why in this case, Titus is seen as having no agency at all. Really he either believes what he said, or he was happy enough to be paid to say it. Same with the Hogan deal - the man is a very intelligent guy, he knows why he's being asked to do these things. Him reputation laundering for the WWE is no different to what the WWE (and various footballers, golfers etc.) do for Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 19, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -5
I mean, probably? Not really sure what that has to do with our own reactions, especially if stuff actually comes out. You can have the locker room backing you want, doesn’t matter if you embezzled company funds for sex with employees and the public knows about it. EDIT: Also, the “grown ass man” stuff only goes so far when the person you’re potentially annoying has your entire livelihood in your hands. Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? Boss? No. But I have to admit I probably would if the monster was my father, because I unfortunately owe him.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 19, 2022 18:11:49 GMT -5
I mean, probably? Not really sure what that has to do with our own reactions, especially if stuff actually comes out. You can have the locker room backing you want, doesn’t matter if you embezzled company funds for sex with employees and the public knows about it. EDIT: Also, the “grown ass man” stuff only goes so far when the person you’re potentially annoying has your entire livelihood in your hands. What it has to do with this, is people automatically assuming that Titus did this unwillingly. It's entirely possible he was perfectly happy to go out there and shill for the boss, plenty would. Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? Give Titus some credit for having the wherewithal to make his own choices, even if they are bad/dumb. Lol I doubt it. The dude suspended him for touching him a few years ago. I’m sure he’s doing it for the check. Plenty of people are employed by morally bankrupt companies. Can’t blame Titus for going out there and collecting the check. He’s probably got a mortgage to pay and kids to feed
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Post by fw91 on Jul 19, 2022 18:16:23 GMT -5
Do you think he got a jobber entrance just in case he tripped under the ring again?
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Post by Fade on Jul 19, 2022 18:17:59 GMT -5
What it has to do with this, is people automatically assuming that Titus did this unwillingly. It's entirely possible he was perfectly happy to go out there and shill for the boss, plenty would. Who here would line up to defend a man they thought was a monster, regardless of whether they were your boss? Give Titus some credit for having the wherewithal to make his own choices, even if they are bad/dumb. Lol I doubt it. The dude suspended him for touching him a few years ago. I’m sure he’s doing it for the check. Plenty of people are employed by morally bankrupt companies. Can’t blame Titus for going out there and collecting the check. He’s probably got a mortgage to pay and kids to feed Agreed. Titus can hate it, love it, buy into it, think he can do good even with the bad, or just be doing it to maintain his livelihood. It’s nobody’s business really. It is an eye rolling attempt on WWE’s part but..what else is new?
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Post by XIII on Jul 19, 2022 18:20:34 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm out of the loop, what happened? Titus opened Raw last night with a speech about how WWE aims to entertain everyone, and that the company is a safe haven from religion and politics. Titus: WWE is a safe haven from religion and politics, but not from sexual harassment, creepy old guys, or politics(when Linda is trying to be a politician).
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 19, 2022 18:28:48 GMT -5
I did some pretty shitty things being a McDonald's manager for a f*** of a lot less money then Titus is making, so I totally get where the dude is coming from.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 19, 2022 18:38:26 GMT -5
Good thing there's absolutely no evidence of a coercive, petty boss who will punish people for not doing what he wants who happens to hold the keys to his public visibility and whose decision can impact WWE's continued support of the charitable causes he's committed himself to. It sure would be weird and grimy if there was even a shred of external pressure behind making this man specifically say things if there was any real possibility that somehow a refusal to do this might have further consequences on the children of the Tampa Bay area. Because there isn't, of course. Vince would never do something like that. There'd be absolutely no reason to think saying no would at al be a problem with consequences reaching far past his own paycheck.
In unrelated news hey what're people so mad at Vince about?
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Post by Dub H on Jul 19, 2022 18:42:48 GMT -5
Good thing there's absolutely no evidence of a coercive, petty boss who will punish people for not doing what he wants who happens to hold the keys to his public visibility and whose decision can impact WWE's continued support of the charitable causes he's committed himself to. It sure would be weird and grimy if there was even a shred of external pressure behind making this man specifically say things if there was any real possibility that somehow a refusal to do this might have further consequences on the children of the Tampa Bay area. Because there isn't, of course. Vince would never do something like that. There'd be absolutely no reason to think saying no would at al be a problem with consequences reaching far past his own paycheck. In unrelated news hey what're people so mad at Vince about? with all respect there eis a difference between a group of people including the boss abusing you sexually and threatening your job over something that is a crime that could end their career. And a wrestler with years of tenure being asked or even ordered to shill to cover for your company crimes.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 19, 2022 18:45:59 GMT -5
Good thing there's absolutely no evidence of a coercive, petty boss who will punish people for not doing what he wants who happens to hold the keys to his public visibility and whose decision can impact WWE's continued support of the charitable causes he's committed himself to. It sure would be weird and grimy if there was even a shred of external pressure behind making this man specifically say things if there was any real possibility that somehow a refusal to do this might have further consequences on the children of the Tampa Bay area. Because there isn't, of course. Vince would never do something like that. There'd be absolutely no reason to think saying no would at al be a problem with consequences reaching far past his own paycheck. In unrelated news hey what're people so mad at Vince about? with all respect there eis a difference between a group of people including the boss abusing you sexually and threatening your job over something that is a crime that could end their career. And a wrestler with years of tenure being asked to shill to coveryour your company crimes. I'm not saying those are on the same level, I'm saying they're the same root behavior. Wrestlers will talk about feeling pressed to go with something they don't want to do, or even voicing their displeasure and still having to do it. The shocking part of him doing that with sex too leans very very heavily on the too part of that phrase. If he says no, gets yanked off TV, gets fired, there's a domino effect going on there. Vince had in mind Titus very specifically for a specific purpose everyone called out immediately, and if he didn't want to play, Vince didn't have anyone backstage who could deliver that message with the same credibility. The idea there would have been no retribution for his refusal is laughable.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 19, 2022 19:51:52 GMT -5
"supporting our service men and women all over the globe" "safe space from religion and politics"
Hmmm...
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jul 19, 2022 20:17:09 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm out of the loop, what happened? Titus opened Raw last night with a speech about how WWE aims to entertain everyone, and that the company is a safe haven from religion and politics. Kurt Angle: If there I’d want to make tap out, it would be …Jesus Christ.
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