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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 20, 2022 4:45:04 GMT -5
Something I've been thinking about lately. Rumor was before Rey Mysterio re-signed with WWE this go around he had some interest from AEW. Given Rey wants his son to have a successful career, do you think he would have been better off in AEW? I'm basing this off the fact that there are several wrestler offspring that are doing really well in AEW: Hook and Gunn Club. Now Hook benefited from being a meme that turned out was the real deal, and Austin and Colton Gunn benefited from Danhausen and the Acclaim helping them get over. I have the feeling if Dominick was separated from Rey he would be on Main Event for a short while before his release.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 20, 2022 4:52:08 GMT -5
I mean he definitely would have been given way more appropriate time to grow on DARK. Hell a tag team with Fuego Del Sol probably would have gotten him over
I get the notion that "He needs to earn his mask" but man the kid has desperately needed a mask, a whole gear revamp, his hair looks like shit, and at this point he has gone hard in reverse. I don't even know how much of that is on WWE or Rey himself just pushing way too hard for him to break out before he was ready to
I can say with absolute certainty that he would have been used much better on AEW at least in terms of where he should be on the cards, his weaknesses would be masked more, he'd probably be more on TV as a ringside youngboy for Rey if he were there or as I said an undercard babyface or babyface tag team that probably appeared more on DARK/Elevation than in TV matches, and when appearing on TV, Rampage is good for taping and any potential flub ups in ring.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 20, 2022 4:55:14 GMT -5
Being given a more gradual build and chance to find his own identity likely would have helped a good bit but at the end of the day I think he just isn't very good and doesn't have a lot of charisma.
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Post by eJm on Jul 20, 2022 5:00:35 GMT -5
Dominick Mysterio would be better with actual, goddamn consistent training under his belt.
Doesn't matter if it's at the PC, the Nightmare Factory, the LA NJPW Dojo, a local school in San Diego that Joey Ryan's been banned from, he needs to be away from the cameras, learn from people and not be expected to be camera ready because of his name and Dad.
The fact WWE are exposing the kid so much and it hasn't helped him any is embarrassing for them.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 20, 2022 5:16:11 GMT -5
Dominick Mysterio would be better with actual, goddamn consistent training under his belt. Doesn't matter if it's at the PC, the Nightmare Factory, the LA NJPW Dojo, a local school in San Diego that Joey Ryan's been banned from, he needs to be away from the cameras, learn from people and not be expected to be camera ready because of his name and Dad. The fact WWE are exposing the kid so much and it hasn't helped him any is embarrassing for them. Yeaaahhh, I hate to compared him to David Flair, but his push far outweighs his experience. Unlike David I hope he can figure it out.
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Post by eJm on Jul 20, 2022 5:19:45 GMT -5
Dominick Mysterio would be better with actual, goddamn consistent training under his belt. Doesn't matter if it's at the PC, the Nightmare Factory, the LA NJPW Dojo, a local school in San Diego that Joey Ryan's been banned from, he needs to be away from the cameras, learn from people and not be expected to be camera ready because of his name and Dad. The fact WWE are exposing the kid so much and it hasn't helped him any is embarrassing for them. Yeaaahhh, I hate to compared him to David Flair, but his push far outweighs his experience. Unlike David I hope he can figure it out. The thing with David is that he somewhat had something by the end of his career but, like you said, his push still exceeded his ability. And, like, wrestling has so many opportunities to hone your craft and get ready. I get that the deal was like that but you can’t tell me Rey wouldn’t have signed with you if he was given coaching from Curtis Axel or someone like that before being put on TV. It’s mind boggling that everyone involved with this kid’s career has let him down so far.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 20, 2022 6:05:06 GMT -5
AEW would have taken a more cautious approach with him. If you compare how he's been handled to how Hook has been presented, Dominic may have had more high-profile matches, but it's obvious who is being prepared for the long-term. WWE put a lot of pressure onto Dominic very early on, whereas AEW has given Hook a far easier and less stressful ride. I think Hook has more potential than Dominic, but it's interesting to think how Dominic would have developed from that more cautious approach. I think AEW would have allowed him to be more of his own man and find himself beyond being Rey Mysterio's big kid.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 20, 2022 6:39:59 GMT -5
Dominic would have probably been on DARK working with the workhorse types, probably in a tag team. I can only assume he'd be in a lower stress kinda push.
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 20, 2022 7:19:31 GMT -5
Dominick Mysterio would be better with actual, goddamn consistent training under his belt. Doesn't matter if it's at the PC, the Nightmare Factory, the LA NJPW Dojo, a local school in San Diego that Joey Ryan's been banned from, he needs to be away from the cameras, learn from people and not be expected to be camera ready because of his name and Dad. The fact WWE are exposing the kid so much and it hasn't helped him any is embarrassing for them. Dom has the potential, see his match against Seth, but what he needed is going on the same path his Dad did and go on an excursion. Rey already wrestled in Japan,around Mexico and ECW before WCW.
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Post by eJm on Jul 20, 2022 7:28:56 GMT -5
Dominick Mysterio would be better with actual, goddamn consistent training under his belt. Doesn't matter if it's at the PC, the Nightmare Factory, the LA NJPW Dojo, a local school in San Diego that Joey Ryan's been banned from, he needs to be away from the cameras, learn from people and not be expected to be camera ready because of his name and Dad. The fact WWE are exposing the kid so much and it hasn't helped him any is embarrassing for them. Dom has the potential, see his match against Seth, but what he needed is going on the same path his Dad did and go on an excursion. Rey already wrestled in Japan,around Mexico and ECW before WCW. In this day and age, you don’t even need to do that. If you find a good enough school, you can learn a lot very quickly. There are enough of them around. The PC should be that place but it’s not been that way in a very long time, seemingly.
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Post by pinja on Jul 20, 2022 7:36:02 GMT -5
Heel Vickie Guerrero would manage face Dom. Then somehow Chavo enters the mix and we'd have La Nueva Familia with Dom as the new Bam Neely. Vickie would like that because she apparently likes fence like structures.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 20, 2022 7:42:03 GMT -5
No. The guy needs an actual training center where he can learn. The reality is that he should be in NXT and I hope that's where he winds up. I'm starting to think he's just not cut out for this, though, as his only really good match was that first one with Seth at SummerSlam 2020.
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 20, 2022 7:50:13 GMT -5
Dom has the potential, see his match against Seth, but what he needed is going on the same path his Dad did and go on an excursion. Rey already wrestled in Japan,around Mexico and ECW before WCW. In this day and age, you don’t even need to do that. If you find a good enough school, you can learn a lot very quickly. There are enough of them around. The PC should be that place but it’s not been that way in a very long time, seemingly. And it's kinda of mind boggling. You have someone from main event to low under card from various learning trees helping to train. I'm not saying they should be pumping Brocks, Kurt's and Randy Savage's but damn.
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Post by Burst on Jul 20, 2022 8:42:30 GMT -5
I feel like Dominick's got a similar issue to Pillman Jr. right now, in the sense that both are second gen guys that are still clearly overshadowed by their dads, have both clearly plateaued with their current gimmicks/booking, and both desperately need a change of scenery to be able to move past that.
I've blabbed about BPJ enough, but honestly I'd argue they both could use anything from an excursion/pseudo-apprenticeship with an experienced guy (a la Sting/Darby and Christian/JB) to a complete Young Lion sort of reboot. Just to use the NJPW dojos as an example again, off the top of my head, David Finlay had been wrestling for 3 or so years in Europe before restarting as a Young Lion, and I think Karl Fredericks had been wrestling for about the same amount of time before going in, so it's not out of the question for an experienced wrestler to start from the ground up there.
But yeah, Dominick feels like he's in the Dustin-Rhodes-before-Goldust phase where he's pretty much never going to get away from his father's shadow without drastically changing something somewhere.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 20, 2022 8:56:48 GMT -5
Dom has the potential, see his match against Seth, but what he needed is going on the same path his Dad did and go on an excursion. Rey already wrestled in Japan,around Mexico and ECW before WCW. In this day and age, you don’t even need to do that. If you find a good enough school, you can learn a lot very quickly. There are enough of them around. The PC should be that place but it’s not been that way in a very long time, seemingly. Didn't Dominic get trained by Lance Storm? Also, his father is Rey f***ing Mysterio, you'd think he could give him some pointers too. That being said, I really feel the kid has no presence or look whatsoever. He looks like the kid that Hook would shake down for his lunch money in high school, and then Hook would still beat his ass after he handed over the lunch money EDIT: Wikipedia says he was trained by Lance, Jay Lethal, Konnan and Rey. That's one damn impressive list
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 20, 2022 9:16:50 GMT -5
In this day and age, you don’t even need to do that. If you find a good enough school, you can learn a lot very quickly. There are enough of them around. The PC should be that place but it’s not been that way in a very long time, seemingly. Didn't Dominic get trained by Lance Storm? Also, his father is Rey f***ing Mysterio, you'd think he could give him some pointers too. That being said, I really feel the kid has no presence or look whatsoever. He looks like the kid that Hook would shake down for his lunch money in high school, and then Hook would still beat his ass after he handed over the lunch money EDIT: Wikipedia says he was trained by Lance, Jay Lethal, Konnan and Rey. That's one damn impressive list If that's the case, it's the clay, not the potters at fault. Perhaps Dom will be able to improve somewhat (especially if working with someone like Balor, whose resume would rival Rey's in terms of where and how he's gained experience), but one would expect someone who's gotten that level of tutelage to be better in-ring and in presentation. Personally, though, I think it's Vince who's likely micromanaged Dominik to oblivion - perhaps in part to bury Rey for coming back, in part to send a message about his power to make or break stars. It may be possible for Dom to bounce back elsewhere, but it might mean closing the door to WWE behind him, at least until Vince is no longer in any position to thwart his success.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 20, 2022 9:32:36 GMT -5
I don't know about better, just different.
Different style, different teachers, probably would've evolved into a better worker but maybe less of an all around performer.
Unless AEW paid through the nose for his dad too he'd likely be jerking the curtain on Dark for some time to come, so I think it worked out for him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 20, 2022 9:37:59 GMT -5
Didn't Dominic get trained by Lance Storm? Also, his father is Rey f***ing Mysterio, you'd think he could give him some pointers too. That being said, I really feel the kid has no presence or look whatsoever. He looks like the kid that Hook would shake down for his lunch money in high school, and then Hook would still beat his ass after he handed over the lunch money EDIT: Wikipedia says he was trained by Lance, Jay Lethal, Konnan and Rey. That's one damn impressive list If that's the case, it's the clay, not the potters at fault. Perhaps Dom will be able to improve somewhat (especially if working with someone like Balor, whose resume would rival Rey's in terms of where and how he's gained experience), but one would expect someone who's gotten that level of tutelage to be better in-ring and in presentation. Personally, though, I think it's Vince who's likely micromanaged Dominik to oblivion - perhaps in part to bury Rey for coming back, in part to send a message about his power to make or break stars. It may be possible for Dom to bounce back elsewhere, but it might mean closing the door to WWE behind him, at least until Vince is no longer in any position to thwart his success. Honestly, I think Dom could be Bryan Danielson levels of skilled in the ring and not get over. He completely lacks star presence or physical presence in my opinion. His physique isn't that special, his charisma isn't that special, he has no gimmick beyond "Rey's son". Dude 100% should've spent some time touring promotions to find a character, and get comfortable working that. In ring work is the least of his problems in WWE, dude just isn't interesting as a character
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 20, 2022 9:40:49 GMT -5
If that's the case, it's the clay, not the potters at fault. Perhaps Dom will be able to improve somewhat (especially if working with someone like Balor, whose resume would rival Rey's in terms of where and how he's gained experience), but one would expect someone who's gotten that level of tutelage to be better in-ring and in presentation. Personally, though, I think it's Vince who's likely micromanaged Dominik to oblivion - perhaps in part to bury Rey for coming back, in part to send a message about his power to make or break stars. It may be possible for Dom to bounce back elsewhere, but it might mean closing the door to WWE behind him, at least until Vince is no longer in any position to thwart his success. Honestly, I think Dom could be Bryan Danielson levels of skilled in the ring and not get over. He completely lacks star presence or physical presence in my opinion. His physique isn't that special, his charisma isn't that special, he has no gimmick beyond "Rey's son". Dude 100% should've spent some time touring promotions to find a character, and get comfortable working that. In ring work is the least of his problems in WWE, dude just isn't interesting as a character Dom needs a mask, much like his dad.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 20, 2022 9:45:09 GMT -5
He could team with Pillman Jr. They can be a legacy or sorts.
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