7/20 Dynamite viewership

[Bang Bang Bart]

910k on the evening and the #1 show on cable for the fifth week in a row.

Source: showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-wednesday-7-20-2022-top-150-cable-originals-network-finals.html

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Boy the people who really want AEW to die must be punching the air right now that it's number one for the fifth week in a row

Viewership went down as expected with the ESPYS but the demo not moving at all is a great sign.

Very curious how the numbers look in a breakdown but I am sure WarnerDiscovery is very happy.

[brettappedout (BLM)]

Surprised it isn't a little higher, but still good

The show was real good until the main event shit.

[markymark]

Jul 21, 2022 17:35:29 GMT -5 brettappedout (BLM) said:

Surprised it isn't a little higher, but still good

The show was real good until the main event shit.

I wouldnt be shocked if Q8 did low, in a way it also reeked of Rosa vs Britt cage match but the womens match actually had a winner that everyone liked...

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 21, 2022 17:36:21 GMT -5 markymark said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:35:29 GMT -5 brettappedout (BLM) said:

Surprised it isn't a little higher, but still good

The show was real good until the main event shit.

I wouldnt be shocked if Q8 did low, in a way it also reeked of Rosa vs Britt cage match but the womens match actually had a winner that everyone liked...

I don't see how the ratings could have tanked in Q8, like if people didn't like the finish idk how much of a snap there would have been at people turning the channel off. It happened within the last minute of the match

I feel like the people who wanted to see the Barbed Wire match, stuck around for it, so the numbers either held firm, dropped a bit, or went up. I am going to bet they went up slightly.

[brettappedout (BLM)]

Jul 21, 2022 17:36:21 GMT -5 markymark said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:35:29 GMT -5 brettappedout (BLM) said:

Surprised it isn't a little higher, but still good

The show was real good until the main event shit.

I wouldnt be shocked if Q8 did low, in a way it also reeked of Rosa vs Britt cage match but the womens match actually had a winner that everyone liked...

idk. despite the finish of the main. it probably did well. If not I'd be real surprised.

[markymark]

[Cyno]

The barbed wire match started out great and didn't crap out until near the end. Considering it started in Q8, that won't be reflected in ratings unless there was an overrun (I wasn't paying attention to when the show went off the air).

Anyway, solid across every demo except 50+, which I'm sure everyone's pretty happy with.

[ghost]

Jul 21, 2022 17:34:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Boy the people who really want AEW to die must be punching the air right now that it's number one for the fifth week in a row

Viewership went down as expected with the ESPYS but the demo not moving at all is a great sign.

Very curious how the numbers look in a breakdown but I am sure WarnerDiscovery is very happy.

The Espys isn't really a big deal anymore. It got 2.5m viewers (0.42 demo) on broadcast last night. I doubt that had anything to do with AEW's number, good or bad. There was literally no other sport in the US playing last night with baseball off, so for better or worse, this is what AEW's core fanbase is.

But yes, as long as they are first in the demo on cable, that's all that really matters. 

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 21, 2022 18:12:43 GMT -5 ghost said:

Jul 21, 2022 17:34:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Boy the people who really want AEW to die must be punching the air right now that it's number one for the fifth week in a row

Viewership went down as expected with the ESPYS but the demo not moving at all is a great sign.

Very curious how the numbers look in a breakdown but I am sure WarnerDiscovery is very happy.

The Espys isn't really a big deal anymore. It got 2.5m viewers (0.42 demo) on broadcast last night. I doubt that had anything to do with AEW's number, good or bad. There was literally no other sport in the US playing last night with baseball off, so for better or worse, this is what AEW's core fanbase is.

But yes, as long as they are first in the demo on cable, that's all that really matters. 

I still think it could have taken a little bit, it did have some WWE themed awards or nominees, but not a ton no

Real Housewives is their real competition these days.

[attitudeeraguy22]

Being #1 on Wednesdays with no competition until sports starts is a fine mark for AEW, but their decline in quality and overall viewership is a concern. They’ve been hot two different times (October 2019 and last summer with Punk/Cole/Bryan) and have lost momentum on both. Khan has to invest in writers or experienced storytellers. The shows feel like a jumbled mess and the roster is far too crowded for the amount of television they have each week.

[Dub H]

Jul 22, 2022 12:41:24 GMT -5 attitudeeraguy22 said:

Being #1 on Wednesdays with no competition until sports starts is a fine mark for AEW, but their decline in quality and overall viewership is a concern. They’ve been hot two different times (October 2019 and last summer with Punk/Cole/Bryan) and have lost momentum on both. Khan has to invest in writers or experienced storytellers. The shows feel like a jumbled mess and the roster is far too crowded for the amount of television they have each week.

I think there is a part that is 100% Khans fault which he took too long to do something with Punk for example,completely wasted opportunity.

then there is the part where all his Top Draws arent in the show for some reason.

[attitudeeraguy22]

Jul 22, 2022 12:54:07 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Jul 22, 2022 12:41:24 GMT -5 attitudeeraguy22 said:

Being #1 on Wednesdays with no competition until sports starts is a fine mark for AEW, but their decline in quality and overall viewership is a concern. They’ve been hot two different times (October 2019 and last summer with Punk/Cole/Bryan) and have lost momentum on both. Khan has to invest in writers or experienced storytellers. The shows feel like a jumbled mess and the roster is far too crowded for the amount of television they have each week.

I think there is a part that is 100% Khans fault which he took too long to do something with Punk for example,completely wasted opportunity.

then there is the part where all his Top Draws arent in the show for some reason.

Yeah Punk’s run hasn’t been very good so far if we’re being honest. The return was special. Everything outside of MJF has been cold. Even the title win people weren’t completely on board for and were calling out his sloppiness. I get that most of the top draws are hurt, but I also think that’s a risk he ran by adding and focusing around older veteran talent rather than building up the young guns.

[Cyno]

A lot of the injuries are to younger talent in freak situations. Or in Darius Martin's case, had nothing to do with wrestling.

[Denny Zen is Cooking™]

Jul 22, 2022 12:41:24 GMT -5 attitudeeraguy22 said:

Being #1 on Wednesdays with no competition until sports starts is a fine mark for AEW, but their decline in quality and overall viewership is a concern. They’ve been hot two different times (October 2019 and last summer with Punk/Cole/Bryan) and have lost momentum on both. Khan has to invest in writers or experienced storytellers. The shows feel like a jumbled mess and the roster is far too crowded for the amount of television they have each week.

"Decline in quality and overall viewership" is such a subjective thing, and I'm not sure that I agree with either. Depending on how "quality" is defined, I either would argue that AEW's storylines are currently in a bit of a lull, but are overall compelling, or that the in-ring product is just as good, if not better, than ever.

As far as overall viewership, what's the definition of decline? AEW seems to have been growing by every conceivable objective metric in its existence. The same week 2 years ago (July 22, 2020), AEW was 5th on cable with 845k total viewers and a .32 demo. Sure, there are some ebbs and flows, but Dynamite has established itself as a consistent #1 on cable on Wednesday nights, and its viewership "floor" seems to have risen. I grant that AEW doesn't always reach its "ceiling," on a week-to-week basis, but fluctuations in viewership from week-to-week aren't indicative of a "decline in overall viewership." 

I don't mean to handwave criticisms of the AEW product - I have quite a few of them myself, not the least of which being stuff like randomly featuring Cole Karter in a prominent TV spot like a month after he failed a drug test, instead of letting someone like Sonny Kiss have some shine - but I really don't think I agree that there should be a "concern" with "decline in quality and overall viewership" right now, personally. 

[polarbearpete]

Jul 22, 2022 13:21:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

A lot of the injuries are to younger talent in freak situations. Or in Darius Martin's case, had nothing to do with wrestling.

The injuries to the “top draws” seems to be what the poster was talking about. And right now that’s Bryan, Punk, Omega and Cole, all veterans with a lot of wear on them.

[attitudeeraguy22]

Jul 22, 2022 13:26:07 GMT -5 Denny Zen is Cooking™ said:

Jul 22, 2022 12:41:24 GMT -5 attitudeeraguy22 said:

Being #1 on Wednesdays with no competition until sports starts is a fine mark for AEW, but their decline in quality and overall viewership is a concern. They’ve been hot two different times (October 2019 and last summer with Punk/Cole/Bryan) and have lost momentum on both. Khan has to invest in writers or experienced storytellers. The shows feel like a jumbled mess and the roster is far too crowded for the amount of television they have each week.

"Decline in quality and overall viewership" is such a subjective thing, and I'm not sure that I agree with either. Depending on how "quality" is defined, I either would argue that AEW's storylines are currently in a bit of a lull, but are overall compelling, or that the in-ring product is just as good, if not better, than ever.

As far as overall viewership, what's the definition of decline? AEW seems to have been growing by every conceivable objective metric in its existence. The same week 2 years ago (July 22, 2020), AEW was 5th on cable with 845k total viewers and a .32 demo. Sure, there are some ebbs and flows, but Dynamite has established itself as a consistent #1 on cable on Wednesday nights, and its viewership "floor" seems to have risen. I grant that AEW doesn't always reach its "ceiling," on a week-to-week basis, but fluctuations in viewership from week-to-week aren't indicative of a "decline in overall viewership." 

I don't mean to handwave criticisms of the AEW product - I have quite a few of them myself, not the least of which being stuff like randomly featuring Cole Karter in a prominent TV spot like a month after he failed a drug test, instead of letting someone like Sonny Kiss have some shine - but I really don't think I agree that there should be a "concern" with "decline in quality and overall viewership" right now, personally. 

They’re doing worse ratings than they did a year ago. If you watched the most recent episode, people weren’t very happy and haven’t been happy with AEW for a bit now. Call it coming off the honeymoon or whatever you want, but that suggests a decline in quality and viewership. They had Punk and Daniel Bryan coming in and a year later are struggling to keep interest over a million viewers (a mark they’ve shown they can hit).

Injuries plays a part, but everyone deals with that. AEW’s bloated roster isn’t getting the job done because there’s only a few guys actually bringing interest whether it’s Punk, Bryan, or MJF. All guys are hurt and MJF is dissatisfied. Now, we’re seeing a long feud between Jericho and Kingston. A women's division floundering. No one is even talking about Hangman anymore.

What are they going to do when Punk and Bryan eventually retire or step away? Their best young player (MJF) might be heading to WWE and none of the rest of the guys have shown they can be potential stars in my opinion. AEW is going to look like Impact five years from now.

[Cyno]

For the 100th time, P2+ viewership for Nielsen ratings is a pretty worthless statistic because people consume entertainment in different ways in 2022. Even Nielsen itself is aware of how obsolete it is because they're going to be rolling out a more accurate way of measuring statistics eventually.

It's intersting to see how individual demographics perform in relation to one another in terms of stat nerd stuff. But as far as the networks and advertisers are concerned, the only number that really matters is 18-49.

And this is as true about WWE as it is about AEW. Raw has lost over half of its total TV watching live audience over the last several years. They're still in the top spots Monday nights more often than not because they still do great in the demo.

Looking at the individual demos, they're doing great with every one except 50+. And since AEW isn't marketing their programming towards that demographic, it's likely a big shrug for them.

[Cyno]

Jul 22, 2022 13:34:24 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Jul 22, 2022 13:21:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

A lot of the injuries are to younger talent in freak situations. Or in Darius Martin's case, had nothing to do with wrestling.

The injuries to the “top draws” seems to be what the poster was talking about. And right now that’s Bryan, Punk, Omega and Cole, all veterans with a lot of wear on them.

Omega and Cole are hardly old farts, though. Omega is 38 and Adam Cole just turned 33. Omega's injuries are more due to a career of going top speed at all times. And quite frankly, thinking of Cole as an older talent is some Logan's Run shit.

[Dub H]

Jul 22, 2022 13:34:24 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Jul 22, 2022 13:21:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

A lot of the injuries are to younger talent in freak situations. Or in Darius Martin's case, had nothing to do with wrestling.

The injuries to the “top draws” seems to be what the poster was talking about. And right now that’s Bryan, Punk, Omega and Cole, all veterans with a lot of wear on them.

I did include MJF and (for a while) OC there but it was minaly the veterans.

The current ones that I would place as top draws out are Omega,Punk,MJF,Bryan.