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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 13:41:44 GMT -5
Yeah anonymous articles and stories are one thing (probably disgruntled former employees). Or people on the board basically trying to keep their positions and making them look better if and when Vince dies. If there’s no family successor, they can be the people who decide. We don’t actually know who it might be and if they’re disgruntled employees, they wouldn’t go to Forbes with their quotes, they’d do to Sean Ross Sapp or Dave Meltzer. People who are shareholders aren’t reading online feedback from Twitter or anywhere, they’re reading Forbes and The Wall Street Journal and there hasn’t been much in there backtracking about Steph being the pick long term. Until that PR push happens, it’ll not look great if she’s the one to take over. I think the last part you mentioned showed that the company would be fine under Stephanie and Triple H's direction at this point. Yes stock took a bit of a hit when Vince "stepped down" but they have since bounced back with Stephanie in charge. And that is the only thing that matters to investors. Who likely now see Vince as expendable. Let’s be Frank. They’re where they are because she’s an interim CEO and Chairman. She’s not the long term pick because the people who are reading about their investments have heard from people in the industry that she did a bad job (again, not my words, she got thrown a lot of extra roles because they cut a f*** load of people and gave their roles to her which is ridiculous) and Vince is the guy that made the money. Steph didn’t get Nick Khan, Vince did. Steph didn’t get the A&E deal extended, Vince did. And until something comes out saying anything different, those people will wait for her to be back where she was before and Vince to be the cash cow. Wasn't it Steph and HHH that negotiated their current TV deals? I distinctly remember reading they not Vince are who got the FOX deal done. That is gonna and should count in favor of Steph and HHH because who knows where this company would be without the current mass TV money they got.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 22, 2022 13:43:18 GMT -5
Me showing HHH Sanga vs. Xyon Quinn from a few weeks ago: dude this f***ing sucks PLEASE come back
Triple H: i've got a job to do
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2022 13:50:18 GMT -5
Wasn't it Steph and HHH that negotiated their current TV deals? I distinctly remember reading they not Vince are who got the FOX deal done. That is gonna and should count in favor of Steph and HHH because who knows where this company would be without the current mass TV money they got. They helped with the Fox deal which, well, that does work in their favor. Especially since a couple of entertainment publications said that FOX was ruling the Friday demos because of Smackdown.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 22, 2022 13:50:38 GMT -5
Hopefully he can work to fix most of the damage caused in his absence, but still mindblowing to me that they took a guy who was actually respected and liked in a talent relations spot, and replaced him with a loathed sex pest who didn't do a good job in it when he was there the first time. Still feels nuts to me that rather than be like "Hey Paul, we really need you to change how you're training these kids" they led a purge of his influence and cut a ton of his most trusted people. And one of his biggest assets William Regal as a scout getting the boot.
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Post by J is Justice on Jul 22, 2022 13:51:50 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 22, 2022 14:10:29 GMT -5
Regardless of how much influence Triple H has or doesn't have now, it means Johnny Ace is gone. And that's only a good thing because he's a piece of shit.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 22, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -5
Hopefully he's better at interviews and press conferences this time around.
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Post by mistery on Jul 22, 2022 14:33:27 GMT -5
Wasn't it Steph and HHH that negotiated their current TV deals? I distinctly remember reading they not Vince are who got the FOX deal done. That is gonna and should count in favor of Steph and HHH because who knows where this company would be without the current mass TV money they got. They helped with the Fox deal which, well, that does work in their favor. Especially since a couple of entertainment publications said that FOX was ruling the Friday demos because of Smackdown. Vince by all reports, had next to nothing to do with the FOX deal. It was all Stephanie and Triple H who were working on it. Long story short: They were shopping around for a new network, and Rupert Murdoch (owner of FOX) approached Stephanie and Triple H about airing Smackdown on FOX Afflilates. Vince's involvement in this was basically just telling Stephanie and Triple H "find us a new network". So they did, and brought in Nick Khan to help sell FOX executives on it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2022 14:35:54 GMT -5
HHH saw Indi Hartwell vs Lash Legend and kicked the f***ing door down to the PC lmfao
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2022 14:38:19 GMT -5
They helped with the Fox deal which, well, that does work in their favor. Especially since a couple of entertainment publications said that FOX was ruling the Friday demos because of Smackdown. Vince by all reports, had next to nothing to do with the FOX deal. It was all Stephanie and Triple H who were working on it. Long story short: They were shopping around for a new network, and Rupert Murdoch (owner of FOX) approached Stephanie and Triple H about airing Smackdown on FOX Afflilates. Vince's involvement in this was basically just telling Stephanie and Triple H "find us a new network". So they did, and brought in Nick Khan to help sell FOX executives on it. The key thing, though, is that this was 3 years ago. It’s all well and good they did that but from what we know, Khan and Vince have involvement in everything else. Shareholders and investors rely on “What have you done lately?” and we absolutely know why that’s the case but to them, they see Vince being an important part in profits and making sure stuff is mega profitable and seeing Steph and HHH’s roles eroded. Like, yeah, HHH is back where he was but does that mean either of them will succeed in the company if Vince goes? There’s no guarantee of it. Heck, the only reason HHH is back (and Steph’s “running the company) is because Ace and Vince are being investigated over not keeping his trousers up. If Vince’s successor isn’t Steph, his position might not be his long term.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 14:46:24 GMT -5
IMO it is either Steph and HHH take over or the company gets sold.
Because IMO there is no one in the goon troop suited to run the company more than Steph and HHH...at the end of the day this is still primarly a wrestling company.
When bones finally lays to rest ya gotta have people that can both run the company and keep the talent happy or else ya possibly get an influx of people just not resigning , jumping ship to a rival company etc.
And the talent clearly not only respects but loves working for Papa H and same goes for Steph is what most say about her is true that is so much easier to work with than Vince is etc.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2022 14:50:11 GMT -5
IMO it is either Steph and HHH take over or the company gets sold. Then right now, in the minds of investors and shareholders, they’d rather have the company sold. The NXT HHH ran was put under developmental in terms of profits and seen as a loss (which I need to stress, is really stupid and made little sense because that thing sold out arenas and sold a lot of merch but lumped with the PC, it was a loss leader) and Steph, in their eyes, couldn’t step up. 9/10, Vince or Nick were seen as the people responsible for the profits. Vince’s creative vision got them where they are and Nick has used his connections to build the company’s rep. In Wall Street’s minds, it’s Vince or nothing. Everything else you quoted, none of the people there give a shit.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 22, 2022 14:50:15 GMT -5
That's great, but when's Vince being forced to step down?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 22, 2022 15:00:39 GMT -5
HHH saw Indi Hartwell vs Lash Legend and kicked the f***ing door down to the PC lmfao I know it's a joke but from what is out there Triple H is not directly involved with NXT
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Post by msc on Jul 22, 2022 15:03:41 GMT -5
IMO it is either Steph and HHH take over or the company gets sold. Then right now, in the minds of investors and shareholders, they’d rather have the company sold. The NXT HHH ran was put under developmental in terms of profits and seen as a loss (which I need to stress, is really stupid and made little sense because that thing sold out arenas and sold a lot of merch but lumped with the PC, it was a loss leader) and Steph, in their eyes, couldn’t step up. 9/10, Vince or Nick were seen as the people responsible for the profits. Vince’s creative vision got them where they are and Nick has used his connections to build the company’s rep. In Wall Street’s minds, it’s Vince or nothing. Everything else you quoted, none of the people there give a shit. Well all of that is true from Wall Street POV, frankly, none of us know what is happening to Vince's controlling shares when he dies or becomes unable to hold onto them. Maybe it becomes a free for all, maybe it goes to one of his kids. But if they were to go to Stephanie, most of these people would follow the money and change their positions faster than you can say "I for one welcome our new insect overlords". In short, all of this hypothetical because for all we know, Vince McMahon wrote a will where he gives all his shares to the Brooklyn Brawler for LOLs...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2022 15:09:11 GMT -5
Then right now, in the minds of investors and shareholders, they’d rather have the company sold. The NXT HHH ran was put under developmental in terms of profits and seen as a loss (which I need to stress, is really stupid and made little sense because that thing sold out arenas and sold a lot of merch but lumped with the PC, it was a loss leader) and Steph, in their eyes, couldn’t step up. 9/10, Vince or Nick were seen as the people responsible for the profits. Vince’s creative vision got them where they are and Nick has used his connections to build the company’s rep. In Wall Street’s minds, it’s Vince or nothing. Everything else you quoted, none of the people there give a shit. Well all of that is true from Wall Street POV, frankly, none of us know what is happening to Vince's controlling shares when he dies or becomes unable to hold onto them. Maybe it becomes a free for all, maybe it goes to one of his kids. But if they were to go to Stephanie, most of these people would follow the money and change their positions faster than you can say "I for one welcome our new insect overlords". In short, all of this hypothetical because for all we know, Vince McMahon wrote a will where he gives all his shares to the Brooklyn Brawler for LOLs... I mean, maybe, but this stuff still has to go through some kind of hoops. It’s why Bob Chapek was in a lower position of some power to see what he can do instead of just taking over for Bob Iger at Disney. Iger was THE money maker at Disney and Chapek was able to show he could step up and now he’s running Disney. If that wasn’t seen to shareholders and taken as good, Iger would still be running things right now. Steph hasn’t had the opportunity because Nick Khan is in her spot and Vince is going to die before he gives up anything of substance so right now, she hasn’t done much besides being a brand officer. HHH is seen as the guy who lost to AEW and signed a bunch of people unfit for the main roster, regardless of how fair that is (and it absolutely is not). Long term, they might take, but short term? There is zero reason for them to have faith in either of them.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 22, 2022 15:10:21 GMT -5
That's great, but when's Vince being forced to step down? This post may have aged badly in the best possible way.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2022 15:13:15 GMT -5
Wow, my posts have aged stupidly poorly.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2022 15:14:37 GMT -5
And now we know why HHH came back lmfao
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2022 15:21:44 GMT -5
The internet is wild. Two months ago people were convinced the McMahons were losing power and selling the company and the family was all broken up. About that...
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