Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2022 15:14:18 GMT -5
>Vince McMahon announces retirement
Prophetic thread lmfao
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 22, 2022 15:15:26 GMT -5
attitudeera guy knew something
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2022 15:18:29 GMT -5
attitudeera guy knew something
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 22, 2022 15:19:46 GMT -5
attitudeera guy knew something think this means the entire thread is insider trading
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 22, 2022 15:26:22 GMT -5
Well f***ing hell it's definitely looking brighter now It looks way brighter, but mostly because of how much it's shining off of the future's head
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 22, 2022 15:28:13 GMT -5
Well f***ing hell it's definitely looking brighter now It looks way brighter, but mostly because of how much it's shining off of the future's head I've been in a state of horror since I realized his push is definitely picking up where it left off. Dude's stories about hanging out with Triple H sound like they literally melded minds every time they spoke they were that perfect for eachother.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 22, 2022 15:28:40 GMT -5
It looks way brighter, but mostly because of how much it's shining off of the future's head I've been in a state of horror since I realized his push is definitely picking up where it left off. Dude's stories about hanging out with Triple H sound like they literally melded minds every time they spoke they were that perfect for eachother. f*** I didn't see your post in the Triple H thread until a second ago, damn we had the same thought and it's a nightmare.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 22, 2022 15:30:45 GMT -5
Well f***ing hell it's definitely looking brighter now It looks way brighter, but mostly because of how much it's shining off of the future's head Wait I havent followed WWE closely did Kross return?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 15:31:31 GMT -5
WWE's general ineptitude with booking will kill the momentum of most if not all of these stars completely. Just like they botched Lesnar, Cena, Batista, Orton and Reigns, Rollins, Moxley ten years later right? I would argue that they did botch all of those, except possibly Rollins. Reigns is just now recovering from his post-Shield booking. WWE is very good at taking can't-miss babyfaces and turning the crowd against them, while getting the heels go-away heat.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 22, 2022 15:32:19 GMT -5
It looks way brighter, but mostly because of how much it's shining off of the future's head Wait I havent followed WWE closely did Kross return? No, but Triple H did, and Karrion Kross is to Triple H what Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way is to Tara Gilesbie. He'll be back and he'll be the one to dethrone Reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 15:36:31 GMT -5
I think it's a tired argument that WWE doesn't create stars... Think of The New Day it's crazy to say The New Day aren't stars especially if you compare them to wrestlers like hangman page or Jay lethal They don't. Anyone who becomes a big star in WWE is doing it despite the company. If you take a look at what WWE wanted New Day to be, versus what the performers themselves turned it into, it's a VERY different animal.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 22, 2022 16:13:07 GMT -5
I'm hoping with Vince gone, the fans will become less tribalistic and feel the need to run down other companies.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jul 22, 2022 16:41:32 GMT -5
Can we not with any of this? Exactly. If people want to watch WWE, then that’s great. If people want to watch AEW then that’s great also, and if some want to watch both then fine but this pitting one against the other is tiresome.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Jul 22, 2022 16:54:29 GMT -5
I'm hoping with Vince gone, the fans will become less tribalistic and feel the need to run down other companies. That’s a nice dream.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 22, 2022 20:43:23 GMT -5
Y'know, there'd actually be room to have an interesting discussion here about how the booking approaches of each company can impact the long term prospects of different wrestlers in certain circumstances and what have you but, uhhhhhh...guess not.
But for real, there's an interesting talk to have about how AEW seems to take things slow with younger wrestlers and save their big pushes so as to not overexpose them early, and how WWE will sometimes go for the gusto earlier with wrestlers which can lead to getting over bigger earlier, sort of a long term vs. short term approach thing and the pros and cons of each, but it's way too easy for this stuff to get blanketed in poor faith tribalism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 21:06:18 GMT -5
Y'know, there'd actually be room to have an interesting discussion here about how the booking approaches of each company can impact the long term prospects of different wrestlers in certain circumstances and what have you but, uhhhhhh...guess not. But for real, there's an interesting talk to have about how AEW seems to take things slow with younger wrestlers and save their big pushes so as to not overexpose them early, and how WWE will sometimes go for the gusto earlier with wrestlers which can lead to getting over bigger earlier, sort of a long term vs. short term approach thing and the pros and cons of each, but it's way too easy for this stuff to get blanketed in poor faith tribalism. I don't watch WWE anymore, but I do watch AEW. AEW is still such a new company, that I just can't speak to how effective their strategy is with young talent. It certainly makes a lot of sense to do it that way, but I'd need at least 5 more years before I could make a real assessment of how the young guys - the Dante Martin's, the Darby's, the Jungle Boy's are doing. AEW isn't entirely built of former WWE guys in the main event scene, but 60-70% of it is. You could make the argument that they certainly book those talents better than WWE, and I do make that argument, but it's just going to take time to see how AEW does with their own guys dominating the main event scene.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 22, 2022 21:08:15 GMT -5
To each their own, I guess, but... Dominik? Yeah I’d knock him, Waller, Boogs, the Martins, and Garcia off the list. Waller especially because he's 32, at this point he should be in his prime.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 25, 2022 12:06:33 GMT -5
I think it's a tired argument that WWE doesn't create stars... Think of The New Day it's crazy to say The New Day aren't stars especially if you compare them to wrestlers like hangman page or Jay lethal They don't. Anyone who becomes a big star in WWE is doing it despite the company. If you take a look at what WWE wanted New Day to be, versus what the performers themselves turned it into, it's a VERY different animal. But they are wwe stars no matter what people think happens. Probably more importantly they are BIGGER stars than the people Aew pushes to the moon...
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 25, 2022 12:15:58 GMT -5
I think it's a tired argument that WWE doesn't create stars... Think of The New Day it's crazy to say The New Day aren't stars especially if you compare them to wrestlers like hangman page or Jay lethal They don't. Anyone who becomes a big star in WWE is doing it despite the company. If you take a look at what WWE wanted New Day to be, versus what the performers themselves turned it into, it's a VERY different animal. But they are wwe stars no matter what people think happens. Probably more importantly they are BIGGER stars than the people Aew pushes to the moon...
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 25, 2022 12:26:31 GMT -5
I think the booking philosophies have been so different up to this point that it's really an apples to oranges comparison. The companies just book for separate audiences.
From most metrics AEW is growing at a rate even Tony Khan was not expecting based on his 3 year projection.
So in short I'd say it depends on preference? There are guys who are in AEW that were with WWE that are being treated much better and there are people who wouldn't have been made to look like stars in WWE. There are also people in AEW that WWE would love to have.
I do think in 5 years we will be debating Bron Breakker vs Nick Wayne for whose the better ace
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