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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 15:22:38 GMT -5
the only issues that I have ever heard between Bruce and Stephanie was that people would come to Bruce for advice and to pitch things instead of going to Stephanie when she was the head of Creative. Well if Bruce rocks the boat, he's probably gone. Fightful Select mentioned that Stephanie, Triple H, and Nick Khan are all very much on the same page right now, they are just deliberating how to proceed. And also mentioned that unlike with Vince, most of the talent there has a really good relationship with Nick, Stephanie, and Triple H. It's why I think if KAIRI was telling the truth (and she has zero incentive to lie) about Nick wanting to keep her to help connect with Japanese fans, you are going to see Io get a pretty fat contract to get her to stay.
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Post by ghost on Jul 23, 2022 15:45:45 GMT -5
With the overwhelming response and positive chants from the fans after SMH started the show last night (and when VKM strolled out a few weeks ago), is it safe to say only casual fans and the blissfully unaware attend regular WWE TV and house shows anymore? I wouldn’t dismiss the idea of die hard wrestling fans (smarks) cheering for Vince too. If “No Chance” played at next year’s WM, it would probably get a huge pop. Look at someone like Pat McAfee’s reaction. He’s basically a smark who works for the company and he essentially verbally fellated Vince on Twitter with the “he wasn’t perfect” caveat in the end as if the “non perfect” part was unpaid parking tickets or something. Most wrestling fans will overlook this. Vince would basically have to be R. Kelly for fans to turn on him, and even Kelly has people protesting on his behalf, so Vince probably would too. This is a man who has done A LOT of bad stuff that is publicly known. He’s Teflon to most wrestling fans.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 23, 2022 15:50:29 GMT -5
With the overwhelming response and positive chants from the fans after SMH started the show last night (and when VKM strolled out a few weeks ago), is it safe to say only casual fans and the blissfully unaware attend regular WWE TV and house shows anymore? I wouldn’t dismiss the idea of die hard wrestling fans (smarks) cheering for Vince too. If “No Chance” played at next year’s WM, it would probably get a huge pop. Look at someone like Pat McAfee’s reaction. He’s basically a smark who works for the company and he essentially verbally fellated Vince on Twitter with the “he wasn’t perfect” caveat in the end as if the “non perfect” part was unpaid parking tickets or something. Most wrestling fans will overlook this. Vince would basically have to be R. Kelly for fans to turn on him, and even Kelly has people protesting on his behalf, so Vince probably would too. This is a man who has done A LOT of bad stuff that is publicly known. He’s Teflon to most wrestling fans. To be frank a lot of WWW fans probably feel Vince did nothing wrong and think they would do the same in his place. After all the women got paid right? What do they have to complain about.
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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 15:59:04 GMT -5
I wouldn’t dismiss the idea of die hard wrestling fans (smarks) cheering for Vince too. If “No Chance” played at next year’s WM, it would probably get a huge pop. Look at someone like Pat McAfee’s reaction. He’s basically a smark who works for the company and he essentially verbally fellated Vince on Twitter with the “he wasn’t perfect” caveat in the end as if the “non perfect” part was unpaid parking tickets or something. Most wrestling fans will overlook this. Vince would basically have to be R. Kelly for fans to turn on him, and even Kelly has people protesting on his behalf, so Vince probably would too. This is a man who has done A LOT of bad stuff that is publicly known. He’s Teflon to most wrestling fans. To be frank a lot of WWW fans probably feel Vince did nothing wrong and think they would do the same in his place. After all the women got paid right? What do they have to complain about. I don't think that's the case at all, and assuming the majority of fans think that way is pretty dangerous thinking. I mean I think its safe to thank Vince the businessman for providing them with entertainment (ie: he was the driving force behind the product that a lot of people enjoyed while growing up), while also condemning Vince as a person for his actions.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 23, 2022 15:59:56 GMT -5
I think that's something easy to overlook as a huge change. A WWE without Kevin Dunn. The whole presentation could change with someone else in his role. WWE has been in need of a change presentation-wise for years and years. Obviously booking and proper writing is more important, but a change of scenery is a great way to freshen things up. And without Vince and soon probably Dunn, maybe they'll find some way to spice things up and make the show LOOK interesting again. I think Dunn will be one of the first to go, he was never a great producer but a bunch of people have pointed out that production has gotten so bad under him, that a lot of big moments WWE has had have had to be re-edited for later use as the original cuts were almost unwatchable. But as others have said overall I don't think there will be much change at least not for a year.
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Post by XIII on Jul 23, 2022 16:02:28 GMT -5
I think that's something easy to overlook as a huge change. A WWE without Kevin Dunn. The whole presentation could change with someone else in his role. WWE has been in need of a change presentation-wise for years and years. Obviously booking and proper writing is more important, but a change of scenery is a great way to freshen things up. And without Vince and soon probably Dunn, maybe they'll find some way to spice things up and make the show LOOK interesting again. I think Dunn will be one of the first to go, he was never a great producer but a bunch of people have pointed out that production has gotten so bad under him, that a lot of big moments WWE has had have had to be re-edited for later use as the original cuts were almost unwatchable. But as others have said overall I don't think there will be much change at least not for a year. Dunn will probably be first solely because he’s a Vince guy that has been there for 30+ years and they’ll just let him quietly retire.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 23, 2022 16:04:38 GMT -5
To be frank a lot of WWW fans probably feel Vince did nothing wrong and think they would do the same in his place. After all the women got paid right? What do they have to complain about. I don't think that's the case at all, and assuming the majority of fans think that way is pretty dangerous thinking. I mean I think its safe to thank Vince the businessman for providing them with entertainment (ie: he was the driving force behind the product that a lot of people enjoyed while growing up), while also condemning Vince as a person for his actions. I didnt say a majority. Just a lot. The "grab em by the p***y" crowd.
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on Jul 23, 2022 16:07:57 GMT -5
Because news like this always comes out on Friday afternoons, pal. Yep, the stock market is almost closed for the weekend so there's less panic selling. The Friday Night News Dump. For when you need something out of people's minds by 9AM Monday morning.
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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 16:08:11 GMT -5
I think Dunn will be one of the first to go, he was never a great producer but a bunch of people have pointed out that production has gotten so bad under him, that a lot of big moments WWE has had have had to be re-edited for later use as the original cuts were almost unwatchable. But as others have said overall I don't think there will be much change at least not for a year. Dunn will probably be first solely because he’s a Vince guy that has been there for 30+ years and they’ll just let him quietly retire. Dunn will probably have to be forced out. It's pretty clear this is the only thing he has going for him, and his views on women and foreign talents are pretty damn terrible.
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Post by ANuclearError on Jul 23, 2022 16:11:45 GMT -5
I'm still half expecting Vince to do a recreation of the "I'm not leaving" scene from the Wolf of Wall Street.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jul 23, 2022 16:15:26 GMT -5
I don't think that's the case at all, and assuming the majority of fans think that way is pretty dangerous thinking. I mean I think its safe to thank Vince the businessman for providing them with entertainment (ie: he was the driving force behind the product that a lot of people enjoyed while growing up), while also condemning Vince as a person for his actions. I didnt say a majority. Just a lot. The "grab em by the p***y" crowd. Frightening how many among that crowd populates the globe.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 23, 2022 16:24:49 GMT -5
Just want to add that doing things like Vince and having Vince around to give orders and implement things exactly the way Vince wants.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 23, 2022 16:29:59 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Vince has genuinely retired and will not be at the shows going forward. WWE isn't going to lie about that because legally, it's not a wise idea.
I will not be surprised to hear in a few weeks that Raw/Smackdown scripts are getting emailed to him and returned covered in bold red ink that says "REWRITE THIS" though. It's hard to imagine a WWE where Vince has genuinely given up all influence, especially when it's still going to be run by his family and people.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 23, 2022 16:40:40 GMT -5
Meltzer is on CNN again, and he's very much sounding like Meltzer, but he's thankfully this time framed his shot a lot better to have books in the background and not look like an absolute buffoon.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 23, 2022 17:02:31 GMT -5
Vince should do a reality show where he does various leisure activities during his retirement, but still acts like WWE CEO.
He'll be playing bowls with other elderly people and demanding a fatal four way, or driving an RV only for it to inexplicably explode.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 23, 2022 17:15:49 GMT -5
Meltzer is on CNN again, and he's very much sounding like Meltzer, but he's thankfully this time framed his shot a lot better to have books in the background and not look like an absolute buffoon. I have a tonne of respect for Meltzer, he’s the best in the business at what he’s doing, but mother of f***ing god that dude is not good with technology. There’s a reason WOR is the only show on F4WON that isn’t on video
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 23, 2022 17:18:45 GMT -5
Meltzer is on CNN again, and he's very much sounding like Meltzer, but he's thankfully this time framed his shot a lot better to have books in the background and not look like an absolute buffoon. I have a tonne of respect for Meltzer, he’s the best in the business at what he’s doing, but mother of f***ing god that dude is not good with technology. There’s a reason WOR is the only show on F4WON that isn’t on video That's also because of the time they record. Bryan has mentioned that they sometimes record at midnight and sometimes record at like 3 AM. He can't really predict when Dave will be ready so he can't have a video producer for the show who doesn't know when the show will be.
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Post by Perd on Jul 23, 2022 17:18:58 GMT -5
Vince should 100% re-launch WCW as a direct competitor to WWE and reveal that is last act as CEO was to release Cody Rhodes.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 23, 2022 17:19:54 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Vince has genuinely retired and will not be at the shows going forward. WWE isn't going to lie about that because legally, it's not a wise idea. I will not be surprised to hear in a few weeks that Raw/Smackdown scripts are getting emailed to him and returned covered in bold red ink that says "REWRITE THIS" though. It's hard to imagine a WWE where Vince has genuinely given up all influence, especially when it's still going to be run by his family and people. Even if Hunter and Steph aren't doing it, I would not be surprised if Bruce tries to undermine them eventually. Like "Hey, Vince, take a look at this" behind their backs, and then tries to present what Vince tells him to them as his own ideas.
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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 17:37:19 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Vince has genuinely retired and will not be at the shows going forward. WWE isn't going to lie about that because legally, it's not a wise idea. I will not be surprised to hear in a few weeks that Raw/Smackdown scripts are getting emailed to him and returned covered in bold red ink that says "REWRITE THIS" though. It's hard to imagine a WWE where Vince has genuinely given up all influence, especially when it's still going to be run by his family and people. Even if Hunter and Steph aren't doing it, I would not be surprised if Bruce tries to undermine them eventually. Like "Hey, Vince, take a look at this" behind their backs, and then tries to present what Vince tells him to them as his own ideas. I would go out on a limb and say that Stephanie and Triple H would quickly put 2 and 2 together and figure out Vince was feeding Bruce ideas. They've been around Vince way more than Bruce ever has. That would be a quick way to get fired as well.
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