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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 23, 2022 12:05:43 GMT -5
Did this story make your local papers too? Vince - "Quite frankly, I think the CEO of Volkswagen was right to not bow to those greedy unions"
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 23, 2022 12:06:05 GMT -5
I personally don't anticipate much changing creatively in the next year. For one, it's easy for those there to look at current business and say what they've been doing has been working. Ratings are steady. Attendance is good all things considered. It's easier to maintain the status quo than reinvent the wheel. And the way Vince did things is the only thing some folks there know. It's what Stephanie knows. It's what Nick Khan has been backing.
Could Triple H have different ideas of how to do things? Absolutely. But for one, I have doubts as to how much he's overseeing creative. He could play a role but he's already wearing a few other hats. With his health problems, I don't know if he wants the all encompassing Vince lifestyle. He has a young family.
But there's also the fact that running the main roster is very different from running NXT. It's different arenas every week. Instead of two hours a week, it's five hours. And we saw (in my view at least) that Hunter hit a bit of a rut when NXT went to two hours live every week. His long term planning suffered. He made weirder booking decisions. And that makes sense. It's harder. Booking five hours of live TV every week at a high level is going to be hard. I don't envy whoever does it. But if Hunter does do it or plays a big role, I could see him largely not rocking the boat.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 23, 2022 12:12:56 GMT -5
I personally don't anticipate much changing creatively in the next year. For one, it's easy for those there to look at current business and say what they've been doing has been working. Ratings are steady. Attendance is good all things considered. It's easier to maintain the status quo than reinvent the wheel. And the way Vince did things is the only thing some folks there know. It's what Stephanie knows. It's what Nick Khan has been backing. Could Triple H have different ideas of how to do things? Absolutely. But for one, I have doubts as to how much he's overseeing creative. He could play a role but he's already wearing a few other hats. With his health problems, I don't know if he wants the all encompassing Vince lifestyle. He has a young family. But there's also the fact that running the main roster is very different from running NXT. It's different arenas every week. Instead of two hours a week, it's five hours. And we saw (in my view at least) that Hunter hit a bit of a rut when NXT went to two hours live every week. His long term planning suffered. He made weirder booking decisions. And that makes sense. It's harder. Booking five hours of live TV every week at a high level is going to be hard. I don't envy whoever does it. But if Hunter does do it or plays a big role, I could see him largely not rocking the boat. I genuinely agree with that, the next year is going to be more stabilization because, as mentioned, the new administration needs to prove itself. They heard Steph was useless in her role, HHH lost to AEW decisively when NXT stepped up and the only person of reliance was Nick Khan so there’s a lot of trust that needs to be built back up before any progress and changes can be made. Some tweaks might be done, sure, but if we see anything dramatic before next year, I’ll be shocked. What might help with HHH being somewhat a part of creative, though, is that NXT was expected to work right away and go from one to two without much prep and frankly, two weeks is not prep. When AEW was starting up, they were doing enough shows for the audience to know the roster and the type of matches they’d have so even before TV, they were figuring out structure and such. So building a show can be a different factor where you can know how much time you have, the roster and stories you can tell.
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Post by Legion on Jul 23, 2022 12:20:07 GMT -5
Did this story make your local papers too? Local Papers? It was on the front page of the BBC News website. Even my mum had heard about it!
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 23, 2022 12:20:16 GMT -5
I personally don't anticipate much changing creatively in the next year. For one, it's easy for those there to look at current business and say what they've been doing has been working. Ratings are steady. Attendance is good all things considered. It's easier to maintain the status quo than reinvent the wheel. And the way Vince did things is the only thing some folks there know. It's what Stephanie knows. It's what Nick Khan has been backing. Could Triple H have different ideas of how to do things? Absolutely. But for one, I have doubts as to how much he's overseeing creative. He could play a role but he's already wearing a few other hats. With his health problems, I don't know if he wants the all encompassing Vince lifestyle. He has a young family. But there's also the fact that running the main roster is very different from running NXT. It's different arenas every week. Instead of two hours a week, it's five hours. And we saw (in my view at least) that Hunter hit a bit of a rut when NXT went to two hours live every week. His long term planning suffered. He made weirder booking decisions. And that makes sense. It's harder. Booking five hours of live TV every week at a high level is going to be hard. I don't envy whoever does it. But if Hunter does do it or plays a big role, I could see him largely not rocking the boat. I genuinely agree with that, the next year is going to be more stabilization because, as mentioned, the new administration needs to prove itself. They heard Steph was useless in her role, HHH lost to AEW decisively when NXT stepped up and the only person of reliance was Nick Khan so there’s a lot of trust that needs to be built back up before any progress and changes can be made. Some tweaks might be done, sure, but if we see anything dramatic before next year, I’ll be shocked. What might help with HHH being somewhat a part of creative, though, is that NXT was expected to work right away and go from one to two without much prep and frankly, two weeks is not prep. When AEW was starting up, they were doing enough shows for the audience to know the roster and the type of matches they’d have so even before TV, they were figuring out structure and such. So building a show can be a different factor where you can know how much time you have, the roster and stories you can tell. Plus we dont know how much pressure H was to hotshot angles to try and beat AEW. That may have been what was hurting his long term plans. With Raw and Smackdown he would not have that worry.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 23, 2022 12:26:21 GMT -5
Plus we dont know how much pressure H was to hotshot angles to try and beat AEW. That may have been what was hurting his long term plans. With Raw and Smackdown he would not have that worry. Absolutely. Combined that and the pandemic basically heating up the need to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, of course it was going to lead to a retreat to Tuesdays. Raw and Smackdown, right now, do have big matches but you know what you’re going to get with the show even if it comes off as uninspired. The change will likely come but no way it’ll be, say, after SummerSlam and such.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 23, 2022 12:35:11 GMT -5
Triple H is such a wrestling guy, and loves the old school stuff, so im very hopeful about him being involved with creative. Maybe he'll let the wrestlers have some more freedom, since he had been there in that spot for years and probably knows that being handed an in-depth script rather than being allowed to cut a promo sucks. if the crowd goes with it, he tended to go along with it , on NXT - think it was Blue pants, he had no idea why it was popular but ran with it This is where things get very interesting. Would the crowd have stayed with an underused crowd darling like Cesaro during a big time sustained push? Who knows, but we might actually be able to see now.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 23, 2022 12:46:43 GMT -5
Out of the loop and theres 30 odd pages. What did Vince do that WSJ are investigating? I'd suggest just reading the thread. A LOT has happened.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 23, 2022 12:50:29 GMT -5
Did this story make your local papers too? f*** yeah, fusion cuisine!
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Post by nate5054 on Jul 23, 2022 13:02:34 GMT -5
Did this story make your local papers too? f*** yeah, fusion cuisine! Is that like a picture of a gourmet McRib there?
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 23, 2022 13:09:07 GMT -5
My feeling is that a lot of folks saying Vince's contributions to the business outweigh his detriments are going to look very stupid very soon. Paige got a retirement speech. Vince McMahon f***ed off into the aether on a friday night after weeks of shouting he was going nowhere and the WSJ are making a story of it. Put two and two together and think about it before praising his 'achievements'.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 23, 2022 13:39:21 GMT -5
WHY DOES THIS SHIT ALWAYS HAPPEN WHEN LIVE SMACKDOWN LOOMS IN THE DISTANCE? LMFAO Because news like this always comes out on Friday afternoons, pal. Yep, the stock market is almost closed for the weekend so there's less panic selling.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 23, 2022 13:40:11 GMT -5
Out of the loop and theres 30 odd pages. What did Vince do that WSJ are investigating? I'd suggest just reading the thread. A LOT has happened. there's even a like 66 page other thread...
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Post by PTBartman on Jul 23, 2022 14:06:27 GMT -5
What's Vance Kenneth Mcmane doing in the Impact zone?!! But in all seriousness though, didn't expect to read this tonight, thought he would remain in charge till his dying day and no doubt if he had his way would have. Even if we put the allegations a side briefly he should have called it quits years ago. It's a shame when those you grew up watching end up not being great people. Still be interesting to see where WWE goes from here. What would be great is if they booked him as Mr Anderson's Grandfather.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jul 23, 2022 14:41:31 GMT -5
With the overwhelming response and positive chants from the fans after SMH started the show last night (and when VKM strolled out a few weeks ago), is it safe to say only casual fans and the blissfully unaware attend regular WWE TV and house shows anymore?
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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 14:51:03 GMT -5
With the overwhelming response and positive chants from the fans after SMH started the show last night (and when VKM strolled out a few weeks ago), is it safe to say only casual fans and the blissfully unaware attend regular WWE TV and house shows anymore? Anyone who is a super hardcore smark (and has a case of being always online) generally was driven away long ago and either stopped watching or is watching stuff like AEW.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 23, 2022 15:05:06 GMT -5
As far as Triple H doing creative, according to Meltzer on the radio show, he was calling the shots backstage last night. That's not the biggest thing yet, he's not outright writing television or anything, but that's still a powerful decision-making spot. He may have just been given the role last night due to ability and experience, so we'll see what changes with more preparation, but Triple H has a good shot right now at being the one to end up tackling creative, and he's still a relatively sure thing in that sphere. If you can point to him and say "He's run our shows before and now he's stepping in", that's the kind of stability that grooming him for the spot was always intended to have.
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Post by mistery on Jul 23, 2022 15:15:57 GMT -5
As far as Triple H doing creative, according to Meltzer on the radio show, he was calling the shots backstage last night. That's not the biggest thing yet, he's not outright writing television or anything, but that's still a powerful decision-making spot. He may have just been given the role last night due to ability and experience, so we'll see what changes with more preparation, but Triple H has a good shot right now at being the one to end up tackling creative, and he's still a relatively sure thing in that sphere. If you can point to him and say "He's run our shows before and now he's stepping in", that's the kind of stability that grooming him for the spot was always intended to have. Yup. And Stephanie and Triple H have next to no real incentive to listen to Vince, especially since his goon squad tried taking a hatchet to their reputations. That's something to remember as well. Bruce might be around for awhile still because he's the least offensive of Vince's toadies, but when Johnny Ace is gone, along with Kevin Dunn likely out before the year is up (according to SRS's latest updates), you aren't going to see Bruce rocking the boat by doing typical Vince stuff. I would also say the decisions on who gets called up are now up to Triple H as well. I do agree the changes to what is delivered won't be immediate, but they will be implemented over time. I can see some smaller changes already happening if last night's Smackdown is going to be the norm presentation wise (just with less camera cuts once Dunn is gone). And we'll probably start to see some small but notable changes in creative once Summerslam wraps up. Dave also mentioned last night that while Stephanie supports the whole scripted promo thing, she's a lot more open to just giving wrestlers a list of bullet points they have to hit in their promos, and letting them cut stuff unscripted as long as they hit their points.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 23, 2022 15:18:31 GMT -5
the only issues that I have ever heard between Bruce and Stephanie was that people would come to Bruce for advice and to pitch things instead of going to Stephanie when she was the head of Creative.
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Post by Venti on Jul 23, 2022 15:19:22 GMT -5
I think that's something easy to overlook as a huge change. A WWE without Kevin Dunn. The whole presentation could change with someone else in his role.
WWE has been in need of a change presentation-wise for years and years. Obviously booking and proper writing is more important, but a change of scenery is a great way to freshen things up. And without Vince and soon probably Dunn, maybe they'll find some way to spice things up and make the show LOOK interesting again.
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