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Post by PTBartman on Jul 31, 2022 9:35:55 GMT -5
If nothing else, it’s hilarious that people are going wild over Roman vs Brock and Michael Cole. Like we wanted what Vince was giving us all along, just not the way he did it. Every "Roman is fine and talented, this character and push are just ass" critique from the mid and late '10s is feeling real validated right now. Ditto, Michael Cole
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Post by papagiorgio on Jul 31, 2022 10:24:57 GMT -5
If nothing else, it’s hilarious that people are going wild over Roman vs Brock and Michael Cole. Like we wanted what Vince was giving us all along, just not the way he did it. Every "Roman is fine and talented, this character and push are just ass" critique from the mid and late '10s is feeling real validated right now. It has felt validated pretty much Roman's entire heel run. He has been awesome during it.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 31, 2022 11:14:50 GMT -5
It does sound like the show last night was booked and presented like the person in charge wasn't embarrassed to be associated with pro wrestling. Still taking a big "wait and see" approach with the product, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 31, 2022 17:22:46 GMT -5
If nothing else, it’s hilarious that people are going wild over Roman vs Brock and Michael Cole. Like we wanted what Vince was giving us all along, just not the way he did it. Every "Roman is fine and talented, this character and push are just ass" critique from the mid and late '10s is feeling real validated right now. Sufferin Succotash
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 31, 2022 18:53:53 GMT -5
Definitely a things get worse before they get better situation. Remember the past year or so when HHH was stripped of all his powers, Steph left, Laurinites returned, the divas were getting shafted, the booking getting worse, and then this happens
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 1, 2022 17:06:49 GMT -5
"Bye Vince!"
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 2, 2022 18:09:14 GMT -5
One of the best parts of all of this is that Michael Cole will finally get a chance to cement his legacy as one of the best, much like Tony Schiavone has.
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Post by millionurkle on Aug 2, 2022 18:29:10 GMT -5
Does so much of this sound like what happened to Verne Gagne and the AWA towards the end?
Overemphasis of family in storyline like Shane? Wanting a bulk of revenue from wrestlers outside of work in WWE itself like twitch? (Verne tried to get profits from hogan for working in New Japan).
Etc.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Aug 2, 2022 20:11:35 GMT -5
Does so much of this sound like what happened to Verne Gagne and the AWA towards the end? Overemphasis of family in storyline like Shane? Wanting a bulk of revenue from wrestlers outside of work in WWE itself like twitch? (Verne tried to get profits from hogan for working in New Japan). Etc. Verne has only... 57 years old in 1983 when the AWA mass exodus started. That was VMK's age in 2002.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 3, 2022 11:18:30 GMT -5
So does this mean in retrospective history, with McMahon pretty much being Benoit'd on TV, the last real authority figure we had was President Gorilla Monsoon?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 3, 2022 14:43:47 GMT -5
So does this mean in retrospective history, with McMahon pretty much being Benoit'd on TV, the last real authority figure we had was President Gorilla Monsoon? Monsoon and Austin! Monsoon and Austin!
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 3, 2022 14:56:41 GMT -5
So does this mean in retrospective history, with McMahon pretty much being Benoit'd on TV, the last real authority figure we had was President Gorilla Monsoon? Monsoon and Austin! Monsoon and Austin! A main event anywhere in the country!
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 3, 2022 21:17:28 GMT -5
Every time I check the WWE forum page and see this thread title, I still have a moment of shock. It's so weird.
I don't mean to blow it all out of proportion or get all hyped about something we've started processing (and even celebrating, somewhat), it's not the biggest thing happening in the world right now, but it still doesn't quite feel believable somehow.
I don't think he'll be back, as a character or as a controlling executive (although this is wrestling: "never say never"). He's getting on in years and I don't think it makes any sense to potentially throw the company down a mineshaft for his ego or workaholism.
But it's going to take a while to stop thinking about Vince as an intrinsic, ever-present, immortal part of WWE, given how long he's been in control of it, and a prominent figure on-screen. Longer than many - most? - of us have been alive, even, never mind how long we've been watching the product.
They weren't wrong in saying that WWE is tied very strongly to Vince, although whether his presence was paramount to its survival as a business is... debatable at best, for many of us WWE is Vince. Much as for some WCW was Turner, Bischoff, and nWo, or ECW (even more than WCW/Bischoff) was Heyman. All huge central personalities who had considerable hands in shaping those respective companies, and the business as a whole. Wrestling is a carnival of personalities, after all, and the boss is no exception.
Anyway, just wanted to get that thought out there, I guess it'll take a while to adjust, but as I've said in other threads I hope, and expect, that it's for the best, and I'd love to see WWE thrive in his absence, a chance for a fresh start, an upward trajectory, and to throw off the drudgery we all became so tired of.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 3, 2022 21:55:55 GMT -5
It is still hard to comprehend.
It’s been 40 years since Vince bought the company from Vince Sr. 40 YEARS that man was in charge, basically shaping an entire genre of entertainment to his will. FOUR DECADES. Think of how much the world has changed in that time, yet that one thing stayed the same until like two weeks ago.
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Post by PTBartman on Aug 3, 2022 22:01:31 GMT -5
It is still hard to comprehend. It’s been 40 years since Vince bought the company from Vince Sr. 40 YEARS that man was in charge, basically shaping an entire genre of entertainment to his will. FOUR DECADES. Think of how much the world has changed in that time, yet that one thing stayed the same until like two weeks ago. And I've been watching for fifty years, so think how I feel.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 3, 2022 23:04:28 GMT -5
I'm just happy I can say the dude is a complete psychotic dipshit rapist, and don't have to deal with the weird Vince stans stepping up to defend him anymore.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 4, 2022 11:36:09 GMT -5
It is still hard to comprehend. It’s been 40 years since Vince bought the company from Vince Sr. 40 YEARS that man was in charge, basically shaping an entire genre of entertainment to his will. FOUR DECADES. Think of how much the world has changed in that time, yet that one thing stayed the same until like two weeks ago. “Hard times is workin’ 40 years running a wrestling company, they hand you a gold watch and kick you in the butt and say ‘Sorry daddy, a Cerebral Assassin took your job! That’s hard times!!”
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 4, 2022 12:52:23 GMT -5
Forgot to put this up from earlier.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Aug 5, 2022 13:14:20 GMT -5
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