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Post by Mecca on Sept 21, 2022 11:48:04 GMT -5
Taker is an old Biker from Texas, it's really not stunning the man has some awful personal views.
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Post by mrtuesday on Sept 21, 2022 13:49:40 GMT -5
Have you heard his list of f***ing house rules? Shit puts Jericho's list of 1001 holds to shame. Like I get it, being OCD and all, but it's still comes off as control freak-ish and arrogant on some of it. That was certainly a bit for the show. Show or not, it showed that Cena could be a great heel if they let him. "Corporate Cena" could have made money. Letting the fame and money go to his head. Fully supporting the corporate hierarchy. And, yes, becoming a complete "my house, my rules" douchebag. A major opportunity lost.
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Post by chrom on Sept 21, 2022 20:12:33 GMT -5
God now I'm gonna be racking my brain trying to think of a dude with a super long neck that got totally shit on in WWE It might explain this image: Rock was just being extra cautious. "A long neck? No, I've basically got no neck at all, see? "
I'm wondering more why he's grabbing his crotch
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 22, 2022 8:05:32 GMT -5
That was certainly a bit for the show. Show or not, it showed that Cena could be a great heel if they let him. "Corporate Cena" could have made money. Letting the fame and money go to his head. Fully supporting the corporate hierarchy. And, yes, becoming a complete "my house, my rules" douchebag. A major opportunity lost. Add too that...imagine he started earlier, and got to his let's say 2009 level late 98/early 99. I could easily see him being Rock's successor as Vince's corporate champion in the feud with Austin. As it stands now, it makes the brief on-air confrontations between Cena and Vince seem weird (especially the "Orange Crap You Wear" line by Vince since even in-character he probably would have had to green light that).
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 22, 2022 16:55:05 GMT -5
I’m so glad we never got Heel Corporate Cena. Cenation is for the people.
But I’ve never gave a rat’s ass if a face is an office loved golden boy/golden girl or an underdog fighting for one shot. If I like their performances and their swag, that’s good enough for me.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 22, 2022 23:55:32 GMT -5
I’m so glad we never got Heel Corporate Cena. Cenation is for the people. But I’ve never gave a rat’s ass if a face is an office loved golden boy/golden girl or an underdog fighting for one shot. If I like their performances and their swag, that’s good enough for me. A decade of the same shit as THE top guy? He could of atleast had a 6 month to 1 year heel run.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 23, 2022 7:51:42 GMT -5
I’m so glad we never got Heel Corporate Cena. Cenation is for the people. But I’ve never gave a rat’s ass if a face is an office loved golden boy/golden girl or an underdog fighting for one shot. If I like their performances and their swag, that’s good enough for me. A decade of the same shit as THE top guy? He could of atleast had a 6 month to 1 year heel run. Plus, new faces could have been allowed to reach the top if Cena had turned heel (assuming WWE didn't book him like current Roman, anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 13:29:22 GMT -5
A decade of the same shit as THE top guy? He could of atleast had a 6 month to 1 year heel run. Plus, new faces could have been allowed to reach the top if Cena had turned heel (assuming WWE didn't book him like current Roman, anyway). Unfortunately outside of booking him like current Roman I don't see a Cena heel turn working. I think Cena is too physically strong to pull off the Hogan change to villainy and cowardice. Certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious how you guys feel a heel Cena would actually work and not end up killing all momentum ala Big Time Becks
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 24, 2022 14:57:08 GMT -5
Plus, new faces could have been allowed to reach the top if Cena had turned heel (assuming WWE didn't book him like current Roman, anyway). Unfortunately outside of booking him like current Roman I don't see a Cena heel turn working. I think Cena is too physically strong to pull off the Hogan change to villainy and cowardice. Certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious how you guys feel a heel Cena would actually work and not end up killing all momentum ala Big Time Becks I think a lot of why Hogan's turn to cowardice worked really well in WCW was due to just how much smaller he was than his peak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 15:10:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately outside of booking him like current Roman I don't see a Cena heel turn working. I think Cena is too physically strong to pull off the Hogan change to villainy and cowardice. Certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious how you guys feel a heel Cena would actually work and not end up killing all momentum ala Big Time Becks I think a lot of why Hogan's turn to cowardice worked really well in WCW was due to just how much smaller he was than his peak. Yeah exactly that was my thought too and I don't think Cena pulls that off
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 24, 2022 19:34:32 GMT -5
Plus, new faces could have been allowed to reach the top if Cena had turned heel (assuming WWE didn't book him like current Roman, anyway). Unfortunately outside of booking him like current Roman I don't see a Cena heel turn working. I think Cena is too physically strong to pull off the Hogan change to villainy and cowardice. Certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious how you guys feel a heel Cena would actually work and not end up killing all momentum ala Big Time Becks Well, by that I mean a two-year heel title reign with the same opening promo on Smackdown or Raw every week, and hardly ever looking vulnerable or phased by his face challengers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 19:35:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately outside of booking him like current Roman I don't see a Cena heel turn working. I think Cena is too physically strong to pull off the Hogan change to villainy and cowardice. Certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious how you guys feel a heel Cena would actually work and not end up killing all momentum ala Big Time Becks Well, by that I mean a two-year heel title reign with the same opening promo on Smackdown or Raw every week, and hardly ever looking vulnerable or phased by his face challengers. Fair enough i just cant see WWE having the balls to allow him to get smaller hell even as small as he is now on a regular basis and fall into the better suited cowardly role like Hogan...They would push total domination especially with Flair's record looming i fear
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Post by THE FVNKER on Sept 27, 2022 21:54:30 GMT -5
Taker is an old Biker from Texas, it's really not stunning the man has some awful personal views. How do replies like this stay up? As if riding motorcycles and being from Texas are any indication on someone's personal views.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Sept 27, 2022 23:52:21 GMT -5
Taker is an old Biker from Texas, it's really not stunning the man has some awful personal views. How do replies like this stay up? As if riding motorcycles and being from Texas are any indication on someone's personal views. What a strange thing to be offended about.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 28, 2022 0:08:58 GMT -5
The ideas for a Cena heel turn / character / storyline here are good, but in terms of WWE's presentation from 2009-2019, I can't really find any era I can be confident they'd stick the landing. As a performer Cena could have definitely pulled it off, but we're talking about the same writing/production team who couldn't pull off making Mike Mizanin, a top two most beloved "Real World" cast-member of all time, likable in a face turn.
I just can't see it not being creatively micromanaged to death.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 28, 2022 8:06:01 GMT -5
How do replies like this stay up? As if riding motorcycles and being from Texas are any indication on someone's personal views. What a strange thing to be offended about. I mean it is a bit stereotyping so I can see why that would offend some people.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 28, 2022 10:09:31 GMT -5
What a strange thing to be offended about. I mean it is a bit stereotyping so I can see why that would offend some people. General rule of thumb, if you paint all people of a segment of the population with the same brush that will upset people. Like, if I said Rhode Island residents who enjoy hot tubs are all degenerate swingers I’d expect people from RI with a hot tub to be a little annoyed with me.
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Post by schma on Sept 28, 2022 10:56:43 GMT -5
I mean it is a bit stereotyping so I can see why that would offend some people. General rule of thumb, if you paint all people of a segment of the population with the same brush that will upset people. Like, if I said Rhode Island residents who enjoy hot tubs are all degenerate swingers I’d expect people from RI with a hot tub to be a little annoyed with me. I dunno, sounds like they might be awfully busy on their swing sets.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 28, 2022 17:08:42 GMT -5
A decade of the same shit as THE top guy? He could of atleast had a 6 month to 1 year heel run. Plus, new faces could have been allowed to reach the top if Cena had turned heel (assuming WWE didn't book him like current Roman, anyway). Like I care what other fans want.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Sept 28, 2022 18:06:08 GMT -5
I always thought what we got from Cena during the latter half of the 00s *was* him in Heel Corporate mode.
As for the idea of turning Cena heel, I would have booked Cena vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania, before the Streak was had ended. Cena wins the match by small-time cheating, maybe a handful of tights or his feet on the ropes for leverage, and therefore he would also break the Streak. Instant heel.
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