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Post by mistery on Dec 13, 2022 12:51:03 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 13, 2022 12:52:43 GMT -5
Got to stop being such downers and instead talk a rich man with deep pockets and a decades-long record of sleazy legal tactics going to court against people with far less money over decades-old sexual assault allegations. That'll be some healthy thread action. Right, I’m not trying to be shitty but the “Vince maybe wants to come back, I guess” element is kindaaaa an important part of the story when the rest of the story is “Vince is not only potentially legally liable but an actual monster if even half of these allegations are true and there”? Yeah, it’s technically two separate news items but to act like they aren’t connected damn near at the hip and shouldn’t be discussed as such is just being intentionally obtuse, imho. The Vince who thinks "I can come back, the show needs me, I shouldn't have stopped down" is like. A comical monster. A funny monster. A man to whom repercussions are mild obstacles and for whom doing the barest minimum of the right thing was a bad idea, but you can joke about it, joke about responses to it and how people enjoying the show is something he can't abide by, project all the funny usual insane Vince stuff onto and make jokes of, knowing there's some broader issues behind all of it, but still able to focus overall on other facets and topics of the situation. It's funny. We can tell jokes. We can create elaborate situaitons where everyone in WWE HQ has to wear a disguise and slap a Walmart logo over everything, pretend to be a Walmart office for the day, and scare the confused old man off before he tries to get back into his old office. And then Triple H is there in his trenchcoat and Groucho Marx glasses saying WWE moved to Belgium and they left a note saying not to call. Just ludicruous silly shit. Funny stuff. The alternative is to talk about like. A rapist. Just straight-up actually a rapist without any of the veneer of joking about it. Even if you don't doompost about the outcomes, it's just. A rapist. Not even new allegations or abuses, but the stuff that's been floating around for years as common knowledge in the fandom. I get why people would wanna discuss the parts they can joke about. Or even discuss seriously, because serious discussion of corporate mismanagement or show quality are very different from serious discussion of. Y'know.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 13, 2022 12:53:43 GMT -5
Vince being a sociopath is a well established fact to anyone who has paid attention over the decades.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 13, 2022 13:00:11 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock. To be honest, I expected Vince vs WWE to happen. It was just a matter of time.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 13, 2022 13:03:45 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock. To be honest, I expected Vince vs WWE to happen. It was just a matter of time. Artist's rendering of the court proceedings
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 13, 2022 13:08:45 GMT -5
The alternative is to talk about like. A rapist. Just straight-up actually a rapist without any of the veneer of joking about it. Even if you don't doompost about the outcomes, it's just. A rapist. Not even new allegations or abuses, but the stuff that's been floating around for years as common knowledge in the fandom. I get why people would wanna discuss the parts they can joke about. Or even discuss seriously, because serious discussion of corporate mismanagement or show quality are very different from serious discussion of. Y'know. Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 13, 2022 13:09:51 GMT -5
2024: Vince McMahon's hastily put together World Sports Entertainment Entertainment (WSEE), a spinoff of WWE, hosts its first SportsEntertainmentMania, featuring WSEE Superstars knocking each other off, standing here in this very ring, doing everything they can do to entertain the WSEE Universe!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 13, 2022 13:15:05 GMT -5
The alternative is to talk about like. A rapist. Just straight-up actually a rapist without any of the veneer of joking about it. Even if you don't doompost about the outcomes, it's just. A rapist. Not even new allegations or abuses, but the stuff that's been floating around for years as common knowledge in the fandom. I get why people would wanna discuss the parts they can joke about. Or even discuss seriously, because serious discussion of corporate mismanagement or show quality are very different from serious discussion of. Y'know. Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit. Yeah, look, as much as it’s fun to make Succession memes and whatnot, the thing that got overshadowed when it first happened is that, regardless of if shareholders cared about the reason, Vince basically had his way with women. We literally know this because he signed NDAs with those women because you don’t get people to sign NDAs like that for consensual relationships that have zero undercurrents with them.
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Post by markymark on Dec 13, 2022 13:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by Chiral on Dec 13, 2022 13:21:04 GMT -5
well my silly goof post looks very stupid sandwiched in there, if it needs to be said I'm obviously mortified at a rapist having the capability and desire to return to his position of power and feel for the WWE staff and roster that's uniformly happier about where the company is just a few months removed from Vince because it'd suck to just have the whispers of Vince wanting to come back looming over things
I don't mean to overshadow anything shitposts are just how I process Sports Entertainment®
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Post by Perd on Dec 13, 2022 13:21:11 GMT -5
Well, that should be one helluva Christmas dinner.
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Post by mistery on Dec 13, 2022 13:27:22 GMT -5
The disclaimer here, and it cannot be understated enough is that if the company/board decides to point out that he violated their bylaws (which he did), he could be forced to divest all of his stocks. The only question would be if he would do it voluntarily or be forced into doing it by the courts. And I doubt the courts would have much tolerance for Vince's antics.
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Post by dbrussel on Dec 13, 2022 13:29:42 GMT -5
Did you think Game of Thrones is fiction? Just wait
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 13, 2022 13:30:30 GMT -5
Who gets Jerry McDevitt in this hypothetical battle?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 13, 2022 13:31:20 GMT -5
well my silly goof post looks very stupid sandwiched in there, if it needs to be said I'm obviously mortified at a rapist having the capability and desire to return to his position of power and feel for the WWE staff and roster that's uniformly happier about where the company is just a few months removed from Vince because it'd suck to just have the whispers of Vince wanting to come back looming over things I don't mean to overshadow anything shitposts are just how I process Sports Entertainment® I kind of can't deny the placement makes it funnier.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 13, 2022 13:32:28 GMT -5
The alternative is to talk about like. A rapist. Just straight-up actually a rapist without any of the veneer of joking about it. Even if you don't doompost about the outcomes, it's just. A rapist. Not even new allegations or abuses, but the stuff that's been floating around for years as common knowledge in the fandom. I get why people would wanna discuss the parts they can joke about. Or even discuss seriously, because serious discussion of corporate mismanagement or show quality are very different from serious discussion of. Y'know. Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit. I don't think that the rapist monster aspects don't get front-and-centered when talking about how he thinks he can come back from sexual assault allegations. I think they are very centered, and I think making any kind of light of the idea is one that inherently highlights how much of an amoral freakshow man he is. The idea he 'got bad advice' on stepping down isn't something you can divorce from the horrible things it says about Vince, but if you couch it in a funny joke about Triple H throwing a big tarp over all the people he's re-hired when Vince comes around, you make the end result of it something that doesn't need to dwell on the actual horror of his actions. I don't think for a moment that jokes about this help Vince 'get away with it' and frankly I don't feel comfortable with the idea of trying to pin any of Vince's ability to evade justice on what the fanbase does or says. Even as somebody sharply critical of the f***ing mouthbreather jackoffs who went on cheering Vince and f***ing bowing when he came out after the WSJ first broke, not one person in there is complicit in protecting and enabling his abuses. A billionaire CEO gets away with this stuff for systemic reasons, not because people get distracted by funny jokes. If you're referring to past comments I've made about how 'oh that crazy Vince' stories get lionized as something that tempers his awfulness, then yes, I do believe that. I don't think it's a part of him getting away with it, though; I think it shielded him from scrutiny from fans powerless to render justice unto him, but now that this story has been exposed and he has been deposed, any crazy Vince story is laden with an inherent sting that he was in fact every bit as monstrous as his critics said he was. People in power get away with this because they're in power. There is no mystery to what Vince did or what he is. Any joke you can make about this situation will have the specter looming over it and I think it's insulting the intelligence of people posting on the board to act like anyone isn't acutely aware of that fact. What Vince did to get deposed is reprehensible, but the audacity of wanting to come back from that and finding humour in it is I think a very healthy approach to the discussion. The jokes made about this have all been negative toward Vince. Demonizing the rapist. Pushing him away. No denfeses, no justifications, no making light of his actions, no comments to hurt the victims. They take the rapist monster and they push that he is unwanted. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss what he did in the least; I'm defending the idea that some people might want to focus on the conversational fork where they can post some funny images in the discussion of the guy's crimes.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 13, 2022 13:34:52 GMT -5
I really hope for WWE's sake that the old sexpest abusive scumbag doesn't come back to power in the company. Not only do they not need him, he's an active detriment to everything he touches.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 13, 2022 13:35:07 GMT -5
well my silly goof post looks very stupid sandwiched in there, if it needs to be said I'm obviously mortified at a rapist having the capability and desire to return to his position of power and feel for the WWE staff and roster that's uniformly happier about where the company is just a few months removed from Vince because it'd suck to just have the whispers of Vince wanting to come back looming over things I don't mean to overshadow anything shitposts are just how I process Sports Entertainment® I kind of can't deny the placement makes it funnier. [Serious post] [Serious post] Me: "haha what if vince had was he was like on a little unicycle with a little circus bear hat" [Serious post]
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Post by DichEvans on Dec 13, 2022 13:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock. They would need support from Stephanie, Linda, and Hunter. 2/3 would be a hard no and Linda is a wildcard
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 13, 2022 13:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock. They would need support from Stephanie, Linda, and Hunter. 2/3 would be a hard no and Linda is a wildcard I don't know how hard of a no those two are. We still don't know who started this domino effect in the first place.
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