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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 13, 2022 13:37:32 GMT -5
If the company has a bad quarter, he's going to strike and he has enough money, stock in the company and backing from the smaller shareholders they'll have a hell of a fight to stop him.
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Post by krozor on Dec 13, 2022 13:42:10 GMT -5
VINCE GAGA FOR ZAZZA, GEARING UP FOR BACKSTAGE DRAMA?
Anyway, Hunter is digging through Shane's lockbox, looking for something to leak on Snuka next if it comes to it.
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Post by mistery on Dec 13, 2022 13:42:54 GMT -5
If the company has a bad quarter, he's going to strike and he has enough money, stock in the company and backing from the smaller shareholders they'll have a hell of a fight to stop him. One bad quarter isn't going to be good enough to get him back into power. It's going to have to be either a very steep decline (ie: tanking the stock to historic lows), or multiple bad quarters in a row before that would happen. Because stock has risen significantly ever since he left. It's went from $58 in July 2022 to ~$75 right now (Dec 13, 2022, 1:43 PM). And their stock is continuing to rise at a fairly meteoric rate, and they are approaching their highest ever values now, which was $96 a share in 2019. And WWE is estimating even higher YoY growth. And with new TV deals coming up in 2024, WWE is in a prime position to raise their stocks even higher.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 13, 2022 13:43:48 GMT -5
Hunter to Regal in January: "You grew up in a tough part of England. Know any of those vicious yet charming British gangsters?"
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 13, 2022 13:44:13 GMT -5
*reads new allegations and Vince might attempt to return update*
Jesus Christ…he literally is Logan Roy incarnate 🤦🏼♂️
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 13, 2022 13:45:56 GMT -5
Hunter to Regal in January: "You grew up in a tough part of England. Know any of those vicious yet charming British gangsters?" “Oh sure. But Moxley knows some guys in northern Cincinnati that will work for WAY cheaper….” - Regal “…go on…” - Trips
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 13, 2022 13:46:49 GMT -5
If the company has a bad quarter, he's going to strike and he has enough money, stock in the company and backing from the smaller shareholders they'll have a hell of a fight to stop him. One bad quarter isn't going to be good enough to get him back into power. It's going to have to be either a very steep decline, or multiple bad quarters in a row before that would happen. Because stock has risen significantly ever since he left. It's went from $58 in July 2022 to ~$75 right now (Dec 13, 2022, 1:43 PM). And their stock is continuing to rise at a fairly meteoric rate, and they are approaching their highest ever values now, which was $96 a share in 2019. It is weird how the thing that will probably stop him from coming back is that he left the company in such stable, financial shape that there would have to be a good reason to bring him back. It said a lot how many partners were reportedly happy not to have to deal with him weekly considering. Especially considering Wall Street adored the guy for so long.
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Post by mistery on Dec 13, 2022 13:49:12 GMT -5
Yeah. At this point the company just needs to take him to court, point out that he violated company bylaws, and force him to divest his stock. They would need support from Stephanie, Linda, and Hunter. 2/3 would be a hard no and Linda is a wildcard Stephanie would be a yes most likely. So would Hunter. Keep in mind that he took a hatchet to them and tried to destroy their public images, and I don't see them voting to have Vince return considering the company is doing incredibly well in their hands. And the vast majority of the board now were appointed under the Nick/Stephanie regime. Linda isn't part of the board or the company anymore.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 13, 2022 13:51:52 GMT -5
Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit. Yeah, look, as much as it’s fun to make Succession memes and whatnot, the thing that got overshadowed when it first happened is that, regardless of if shareholders cared about the reason, Vince basically had his way with women. We literally know this because he signed NDAs with those women because you don’t get people to sign NDAs like that for consensual relationships that have zero undercurrents with them. With all seriousness, I don't think it was overshadowed at all by anyone. I don't think a focus on the parts of this that weren't horrifically uncomfortable implied anyone here wasn't painfully aware that Vince used his power and his money to coerce sex out of women in his employ. The only conceivably existing people whose comments don't exist adjacent to "Vince is a sex pest and an accused rapist" are people who genuinely don't think he did anything wrong, and those people were not swayed by Simpsons memes.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 13, 2022 13:52:59 GMT -5
Yeah, look, as much as it’s fun to make Succession memes and whatnot, the thing that got overshadowed when it first happened is that, regardless of if shareholders cared about the reason, Vince basically had his way with women. We literally know this because he signed NDAs with those women because you don’t get people to sign NDAs like that for consensual relationships that have zero undercurrents with them. With all seriousness, I don't think it was overshadowed at all by anyone. I don't think a focus on the parts of this that weren't horrifically uncomfortable implied anyone here wasn't painfully aware that Vince used his power and his money to coerce sex out of women in his employ. The only conceivably existing people whose comments don't exist adjacent to "Vince is a sex pest and an accused rapist" are people who genuinely don't think he did anything wrong, and those people were not swayed by Simpsons memes. I did post what I did without reading the rest of it so just wanted to say I got what you really meant to apologise.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 13, 2022 13:54:08 GMT -5
Even if Linda was a factor, they're not really together anymore. She'd have no reason to protect him considering he cheated on her with both consensual and not-so-consensual partners.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 13, 2022 13:54:17 GMT -5
Damn that’s a different spa person that he (allegedly) sexually assaulted? That’s at least 4 or 5 tanning/massage/spa employees that we even know of. No one wants your funky noodle Vince! Dude must idolize DeShawn Watson. You mean "Groper Cleveland".
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 13, 2022 13:56:51 GMT -5
Everyone is happier without him. From the locker room, to investors.
The only person that wants Vince back is Vince.
Someone give him a Jamba Juice to manage, he'll be just as happy screaming at part time teenage employees.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 13, 2022 13:57:59 GMT -5
To be honest, I've been a bit disappointed by Triple H's booking. I feel like there are good and bad things about the product just like when Vince was around, rather than the shows being consistently good. But maybe my expectations were too high. Vince should definitely stay away, though.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 13, 2022 13:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 13, 2022 13:59:25 GMT -5
They would need support from Stephanie, Linda, and Hunter. 2/3 would be a hard no and Linda is a wildcard Stephanie would be a yes most likely. So would Hunter. Keep in mind that he took a hatchet to them and tried to destroy their public images, and I don't see them voting to have Vince return considering the company is doing incredibly well in their hands. And the vast majority of the board now were appointed under the Nick/Stephanie regime. Linda isn't part of the board or the company anymore. I feel like it needs to be stressed how much of a hatchet job that Forbes article was. There have been more incompetent people who have left the company that basically left unscathed compared to how vicious that article was. It was to the point where there was no possible way she could have come back without something like what happened happened. Like you say HHH but I’d argue Vince wasn’t burying his image as much as keeping him well far away from anything. He was reporting to someone else, not even Vince, his territory was being handed to Ace and Pritchard, the system he was running was warped and changed to fit more like a production line. If anything, they wanted him around because he still had that brand of Papa H to keep things going. Steph was basically given more roles, ones she had to take because Vince fired everyone else who could do those roles. And then when she had to leave, they threw her so far under the bus, she became paste.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 13, 2022 13:59:31 GMT -5
Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit. I don't think that the rapist monster aspects don't get front-and-centered when talking about how he thinks he can come back from sexual assault allegations. I think they are very centered, and I think making any kind of light of the idea is one that inherently highlights how much of an amoral freakshow man he is. The idea he 'got bad advice' on stepping down isn't something you can divorce from the horrible things it says about Vince, but if you couch it in a funny joke about Triple H throwing a big tarp over all the people he's re-hired when Vince comes around, you make the end result of it something that doesn't need to dwell on the actual horror of his actions. I don't think for a moment that jokes about this help Vince 'get away with it' and frankly I don't feel comfortable with the idea of trying to pin any of Vince's ability to evade justice on what the fanbase does or says. Even as somebody sharply critical of the f***ing mouthbreather jackoffs who went on cheering Vince and f***ing bowing when he came out after the WSJ first broke, not one person in there is complicit in protecting and enabling his abuses. A billionaire CEO gets away with this stuff for systemic reasons, not because people get distracted by funny jokes. If you're referring to past comments I've made about how 'oh that crazy Vince' stories get lionized as something that tempers his awfulness, then yes, I do believe that. I don't think it's a part of him getting away with it, though; I think it shielded him from scrutiny from fans powerless to render justice unto him, but now that this story has been exposed and he has been deposed, any crazy Vince story is laden with an inherent sting that he was in fact every bit as monstrous as his critics said he was. People in power get away with this because they're in power. There is no mystery to what Vince did or what he is. Any joke you can make about this situation will have the specter looming over it and I think it's insulting the intelligence of people posting on the board to act like anyone isn't acutely aware of that fact. What Vince did to get deposed is reprehensible, but the audacity of wanting to come back from that and finding humour in it is I think a very healthy approach to the discussion. The jokes made about this have all been negative toward Vince. Demonizing the rapist. Pushing him away. No denfeses, no justifications, no making light of his actions, no comments to hurt the victims. They take the rapist monster and they push that he is unwanted. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss what he did in the least; I'm defending the idea that some people might want to focus on the conversational fork where they can post some funny images in the discussion of the guy's crimes. Not just that, there's only so much that any one person can say about it that someone else hasn't already said.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 13, 2022 14:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on Dec 13, 2022 14:03:15 GMT -5
They would need support from Stephanie, Linda, and Hunter. 2/3 would be a hard no and Linda is a wildcard I don't know how hard of a no those two are. We still don't know who started this domino effect in the first place. I 100% believe that Stephanie and HHH were the leaks that started this entire thing, but whoever it was more than likely has more stuff they’re just waiting to release should Vince try to make a power play back in. Got to keep something in reserve in case you need it in the future. Regardless of any of that, as for any vote HHH and Stephanie have more power than ever and i’d seriously doubt that they’re going to vote to bring Vince back knowing full well that that crazy old man will likely eventually demote them again and continue to do his sex creep moves behind the scenes further f***ing the company up for when they inevitably do take over.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 13, 2022 14:05:04 GMT -5
Personally, I'd argue it's better to front-and-center the "rapist monster" aspect of a rapist monster, even if people can't post in a webforum about it without feeling a little uncomfortable? Especially since, as you point out yourself, people getting distracted by the funny sideshow parts are a big aspect of how people like him get away with shit. I don't think that the rapist monster aspects don't get front-and-centered when talking about how he thinks he can come back from sexual assault allegations. I think they are very centered, and I think making any kind of light of the idea is one that inherently highlights how much of an amoral freakshow man he is. The idea he 'got bad advice' on stepping down isn't something you can divorce from the horrible things it says about Vince, but if you couch it in a funny joke about Triple H throwing a big tarp over all the people he's re-hired when Vince comes around, you make the end result of it something that doesn't need to dwell on the actual horror of his actions. I don't think for a moment that jokes about this help Vince 'get away with it' and frankly I don't feel comfortable with the idea of trying to pin any of Vince's ability to evade justice on what the fanbase does or says. Even as somebody sharply critical of the f***ing mouthbreather jackoffs who went on cheering Vince and f***ing bowing when he came out after the WSJ first broke, not one person in there is complicit in protecting and enabling his abuses. A billionaire CEO gets away with this stuff for systemic reasons, not because people get distracted by funny jokes. If you're referring to past comments I've made about how 'oh that crazy Vince' stories get lionized as something that tempers his awfulness, then yes, I do believe that. I don't think it's a part of him getting away with it, though; I think it shielded him from scrutiny from fans powerless to render justice unto him, but now that this story has been exposed and he has been deposed, any crazy Vince story is laden with an inherent sting that he was in fact every bit as monstrous as his critics said he was. People in power get away with this because they're in power. There is no mystery to what Vince did or what he is. Any joke you can make about this situation will have the specter looming over it and I think it's insulting the intelligence of people posting on the board to act like anyone isn't acutely aware of that fact. What Vince did to get deposed is reprehensible, but the audacity of wanting to come back from that and finding humour in it is I think a very healthy approach to the discussion. The jokes made about this have all been negative toward Vince. Demonizing the rapist. Pushing him away. No denfeses, no justifications, no making light of his actions, no comments to hurt the victims. They take the rapist monster and they push that he is unwanted. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss what he did in the least; I'm defending the idea that some people might want to focus on the conversational fork where they can post some funny images in the discussion of the guy's crimes. But no one has been saying not to joke around; they've been saying "hey, this other stuff is more important than the 'Vince might come back' stuff, let's talk about that." I actually am having a hard time parsing your point, even though you've been very clear about it: you understand the motivation to joke around about less serious parts of the story. But... do you think I don't? Saying "it's good to face the discomfort of starkly confronting a horrible thing" doesn't mean I don't understand people's desire to joke. (In fact, making that point suggests I do understand it, right?) Let me try to be equally clear: it makes sense to joke about it, but it also makes sense to actively remind people about what's central and what's peripheral. Honestly, what rubbed me the wrong way about your post might have been a misunderstanding: it seemed like, in the post I replied to, you were saying it was better to avoid talking about the sexual assault, because then it's harder to post about it, than to avoid talking about the sexual assault because then we can all post away. Reading this new response, it seems pretty clear you don't prioritize "posting comfortably" over "acknowledging that this is all about a rapist," so fair enough. But then I'm a little confused about what you were trying to say. If it's simply "don't chastise people using humor to deal with the situation," fine, but I don't think anyone was. And just to clarify, I definitely don't think it IS just the power, I think the audacity creates an armor on its own. People judge guilt intuitively: "Am I mad at this person? If so, they're probably guilty." "Does he act like he did anything wrong? If so, he's probably guilty." Dooming about the inevitability of his teflon-coated return and wrapping the whole thing up in irony and humor can only contribute to that. And yeah, obviously this specific forum is both too small and exactly the wrong audience to contribute terribly to that, I don't think there's anything wrong with encouraging people to not look away from the dark shit just on principle.
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