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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2023 9:42:06 GMT -5
This is what Cena had to say about Vince in an interview with the AP: "No (it is not hard to reconcile the feelings I have for Vince McMahon with the allegations against him). I mean, everyone has the right to have their perspective. I have the right to have mine. When you love somebody, you take them as imperfectly perfect as they are. We all make mistakes, we all have poor decisions. Lord knows I’ve made my collection of poor choices. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to love somebody. There’s no way I can go on record and say I don’t love Vince McMahon." Meanwhile, back in 2017, on the subject of WWE Network's handling of Chris Benoit content: Those two quotes don’t necessarily conflict. He can expect Vince to take ownership of his actions, while still having love personally for Vince. I also don’t think he’s saying that he still has love for Vince because he’s good at what he does, it’s likely based on his personal relationship with him. |
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Post by Dub H on Mar 14, 2023 9:48:50 GMT -5
We all make small mistakes
I accidentaly puked on the hotels bed.
Vince raped multiple women.
You know, just mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 9:50:14 GMT -5
This is what Cena had to say about Vince in an interview with the AP: "No (it is not hard to reconcile the feelings I have for Vince McMahon with the allegations against him). I mean, everyone has the right to have their perspective. I have the right to have mine. When you love somebody, you take them as imperfectly perfect as they are. We all make mistakes, we all have poor decisions. Lord knows I’ve made my collection of poor choices. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to love somebody. There’s no way I can go on record and say I don’t love Vince McMahon." John you just continue to pile up bad takes huh let your PR team handle it from now on. And "we all make mistakes"...John are you saying rape is just a mistake?!?!?!?!? because you most definetly probably want to clarify like immediately. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 14, 2023 9:52:54 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back in 2017, on the subject of WWE Network's handling of Chris Benoit content: Those two quotes don’t necessarily conflict. He can expect Vince to take ownership of his actions, while still having love personally for Vince. I also don’t think he’s saying that he still has love for Vince because he’s good at what he does, it’s likely based on his personal relationship with him. The quote sure reads like it's dismissing the allegations against Vince, though. I get that Vince and Cena are close but you've never heard Taker out there saying anything that goes as far as this quote. You can read between the lines, sure, but Cena's outright dismissive here. It's not a great look. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 10:02:08 GMT -5
This is what Cena had to say about Vince in an interview with the AP: "No (it is not hard to reconcile the feelings I have for Vince McMahon with the allegations against him). I mean, everyone has the right to have their perspective. I have the right to have mine. When you love somebody, you take them as imperfectly perfect as they are. We all make mistakes, we all have poor decisions. Lord knows I’ve made my collection of poor choices. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to love somebody. There’s no way I can go on record and say I don’t love Vince McMahon." Meanwhile, back in 2017, on the subject of WWE Network's handling of Chris Benoit content: I think what makes those together side by side even worse is that it feels like 2017 Cena is absolutely bemoaning 2023 Cena's response to things. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2023 10:02:21 GMT -5
Those two quotes don’t necessarily conflict. He can expect Vince to take ownership of his actions, while still having love personally for Vince. I also don’t think he’s saying that he still has love for Vince because he’s good at what he does, it’s likely based on his personal relationship with him. The quote sure reads like it's dismissing the allegations against Vince, though. I get that Vince and Cena are close but you've never heard Taker out there saying anything that goes as far as this quote. You can read between the lines, sure, but Cena's outright dismissive here. It's not a great look. The mistakes line is not a good look for sure and is probably his own self trying to rationalize his feelings. I was talking more about the fact of him saying he still loves Vince, which I think is understandable. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 14, 2023 10:10:28 GMT -5
'Come on, who among us hasn't raped and assaulted female employees for years and spent millions covering it up? Vince is only human, come on, this is why pencils have erasers and NDAs! How dare people judge me for my lack of concern about the safety and wellbeing of my female colleagues?'
Sod off, John. If you can't bring yourself to make even the most milquetoast condemnation, just sidestep the question. It's not hard.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Mar 14, 2023 10:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 14, 2023 10:18:09 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back in 2017, on the subject of WWE Network's handling of Chris Benoit content: Those two quotes don’t necessarily conflict. He can expect Vince to take ownership of his actions, while still having love personally for Vince. I also don’t think he’s saying that he still has love for Vince because he’s good at what he does, it’s likely based on his personal relationship with him. I could maybe reconcile the two things, if it weren't for the second half of his older comment, specifically calling out how people need to take that responsibility and for the company to set the standard. It's pretty hard to stand by the idea of "setting the standard" for morality in sports and entertainment when you're waxing lyrical about how much you absolutely adore your ex-boss, company chairman, and friend... when they're subject to accusations of multiple counts of intimate unpleasantness, failure to properly account for financials (as a result of doling out hush money!), anti-competitive behaviour, contract and worker's rights shenanigans, being a dick to his family, crowbarring himself back into the company via sketchy means, questionable dealings with foreign regimes, and involvement in distribution of harmful substances. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 10:34:25 GMT -5
That is a bigger point, actually. Like, others have said it like Foley but they're on legends deals and aren't really as prominent figures as they're used to be so whatever, they're just old men saying old man things. Anyone outside the company is outside, it's not great but it's also not something of interest to most mainstream organizations. Cena? He's in a big WrestleMania match, still does appearances and matches for the company when he can and is very much as much ingrained in WWE history as Hogan, Austin, Rock etc. And he basically said "Yeah, I think Vince paid off those women after sexually abusing them in various ways. I've spent a long enough time knowing him to say that might be the case". |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 14, 2023 10:36:04 GMT -5
See John, I love a lot of people but I have a lot of people I've cut out of my life because of bad takes and a hell of a lot less gross shit than Vince is accused of. So yeah, screw your reasoning, all you're doing is enabling Vince's trash ass.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2023 10:47:06 GMT -5
Those two quotes don’t necessarily conflict. He can expect Vince to take ownership of his actions, while still having love personally for Vince. I also don’t think he’s saying that he still has love for Vince because he’s good at what he does, it’s likely based on his personal relationship with him. I could maybe reconcile the two things, if it weren't for the second half of his older comment, specifically calling out how people need to take that responsibility and for the company to set the standard. It's pretty hard to stand by the idea of "setting the standard" for morality in sports and entertainment when you're waxing lyrical about how much you absolutely adore your ex-boss, company chairman, and friend... when they're subject to accusations of multiple counts of intimate unpleasantness, failure to properly account for financials (as a result of doling out hush money!), anti-competitive behaviour, contract and worker's rights shenanigans, being a dick to his family, crowbarring himself back into the company via sketchy means, questionable dealings with foreign regimes, and involvement in distribution of harmful substances. I see it that it can be reconciled as he personally still loves Vince, but may still believe he should be held accountable and maybe he thinks he shouldn’t be involved in the business right now. He didn’t really opine on that in the quote posted. He spoke only about his feelings about Vince. It might be true that he thinks they should handwave the whole thing as a company and Vince should do whatever he wants, but he didn’t say that here. Given the reception though, he probably should’ve just given a more PR-friendly answer instead of sticking his neck out there. |
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Post by XIII on Mar 14, 2023 11:18:12 GMT -5
Not entirely surprised. For a few reasons:
1) Vince is the guy that essentially allowed Cena to live the life that he has now in terms of money and fame, etc. So of course he’d feel a loyalty to him.
2) that locker room in Ruthless Aggression era that Cena grew up in the business in was a complete cesspool. Vince coerced at least one woman, Umaga allegedly attempted to rape Shelly Martinez and after she told Melina someone told Melina to “smarten her up”, Ashley Massaro was allegedly raped by someone in the US military while on a visit to Iraq and Vince essentially told her to cover it up, Cena may or may not have gotten Mickie fired after he broke up with her, Batista printed out naked pics of Mickie and taped them up backstage after she made him mad somehow.
Those are just the ones that are more or less public knowledge. I won’t be at all surprised to learn of more.
3) Benoit and others were bullying in the locker room…and then Benoit was murdering at home. In retrospect it’s no wonder that Vince went so hard into the PG era he didn’t want anyone digging around at the outright vileness that was going on backstage.
4) Wrestling is still in that weird spot where it’s not scrutinized near enough but it makes a lot of money so no one questions things. Which is why no one outside of places like this will question Cena on this.
If someone really wanted to bury Vince it would probably be fairly simple, but no one ver pushes that far. After the original allegations came out and he was about to step down they should have pushed hard on these other things that Vince got up to.
What a piece of shit, mang.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 11:19:19 GMT -5
Hey, 2016 John Cena. Any thoughts?
Good to know!
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 14, 2023 11:22:08 GMT -5
Hey, 2016 John Cena. Any thoughts? Good to know! "Say no more"? Sounds about right. You have to wonder if anybody behind the scenes, when WWE's done all these anti-bad-stuff campaigns, has thought "if any secrets come out, this is going to look real bad on us". |
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Post by Ringmaster on Mar 14, 2023 11:27:20 GMT -5
I think you guys are being unfair. Yesterday while shopping, I didn't realize my shoelaces were untied, So I tripped and accidentally sexually assaulted 3 cashiers and the girl restocking the shelves.
...I'm getting a note here* I see.* As it turns out sexual assault is not accidental and in fact premeditated, vile, and f*** you Cena for brushing it aside with an "Oopsie daisy" type attitude Like Vince spilled some soda on the floor.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 14, 2023 11:41:28 GMT -5
Cena is a total shitbag still, I see.
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Post by Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh on Mar 14, 2023 11:50:00 GMT -5
I expected nothing from Cena and yet I’m still angry and cringing.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Mar 14, 2023 12:00:28 GMT -5
I already assumed he was guilty because of all the hush money he spent. And, I still remember all the perverse shit he booked himself into over the years. |
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 14, 2023 12:26:56 GMT -5
John Cena is a bad man,no question about that now in my eyes and honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if he has skeletons in his closet that come out later in life. He will probably use his make a wish stuff as a place to hide behind when being called out on things like this but saying what he has said now, its clear what kind of man he truly is. Its disapointing but im not surprised at all.
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