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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2023 12:29:48 GMT -5
John Cena is a bad man,no question about that now in my eyes and honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if he has skeletons in his closet that come out later in life. He will probably use his make a wish stuff as a place to hide behind when being called out on things like this but saying what he has said now, its clear what kind of man he truly is. Its disapointing but im not surprised at all. Eh that seems a bit too far. Vince’s conduct is on Vince. Cena saying he still has love for him despite his past conduct doesn’t all of a sudden mean Cena is a terrible person and clearly has his own terrible things he’s covering up. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2023 12:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 14, 2023 12:57:58 GMT -5
John Cena is a bad man,no question about that now in my eyes and honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if he has skeletons in his closet that come out later in life. He will probably use his make a wish stuff as a place to hide behind when being called out on things like this but saying what he has said now, its clear what kind of man he truly is. Its disapointing but im not surprised at all. Eh that seems a bit too far. Vince’s conduct is on Vince. Cena saying he still has love for him despite his past conduct doesn’t all of a sudden mean Cena is a terrible person and clearly has his own terrible things he’s covering up. I agree. I don't think I've ever really heard much bad about Cena, think it might be a bit hasty to brand him some kind of monster. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what he's saying about Vince, I think it's tone deaf and inconsiderate, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's just as bad as Vince. If he was even half as bad as Vince you'd think we'd have heard something about it by now. He was always going to be diplomatic, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd come out and trash talk the guy he's actively working for (even if only sporadically now), I wouldn't expect him of all people to come out all guns blazing and say Vince is a filthy arrogant criminal, especially since he's supposed to be wrestling under the WWE banner again in a matter of weeks. He's the corporate champion, we've known that for years, he wasn't likely to spin on a dime and throw Vince under the bus. Again, that's not to say I agree with his stance, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to say "I don't want a piece of this" and offer no comment, or dodge the question, or even just not work for WWE. But he's been signed for WM, he doesn't want to badmouth the guy who gave him a 20 year wrestling career, and he's not your average bitter ex-wrestler who will go out there and shoot on anybody and everybody for a quick buck or some Twitter likes. I can believe he genuinely does love Vince and doesn't want to cause a ruckus, but it doesn't mean he necessarily agrees with what Vince does all the time. |
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Mar 14, 2023 13:50:26 GMT -5
It's a mindbogglingly stupid take, but I'm not remotely surprised. I don't think it makes Cena a bad person, but it's absolutely testament to the strength of the Vince McMahon personality cult and how much some wrestlers (and fans) unflinchingly buy into this bullshit. It's sad and it's wrong but it's totally on brand for a company man like Cena, and there's no way he's the only one who feels this way.
But he still should've engaged his brain before saying anything.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 14, 2023 13:54:09 GMT -5
I don’t blame him for having love for the guy that gave him a decade long face of the company run and put him in the position he is today, but he really could of just said no comment
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 14, 2023 14:11:34 GMT -5
Oh, *please*. Let’s knock of the hyperbole, people, It’s not as if John was standing right beside Vince cheering him on as he committed all of those horrible actions. That was kind of a “gotcha” question they asked him, anyway.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 14, 2023 14:30:31 GMT -5
Like with Danielson, this is a really stupid thing to say that really should've been "no comment" from a PR standpoint.
I get there being a personal and professional conflict reconciling all the good things someone did for you personally while trying to take in all this evil shit he's been accused of doing. And with the power Vince McMahon still wields in the industry, it's really tough to take a more definitive stand without putting your own career in danger (even for someone as big or near the end as Cena).
So what Cena did was a mistake, unlike what Vince McMahon is accused of doing.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 14, 2023 14:31:56 GMT -5
Oh, *please*. Let’s knock of the hyperbole, people, It’s not as if John was standing right beside Vince cheering him on as he committed all of those horrible actions. That was kind of a “gotcha” question they asked him, anyway. I’m a pretty big Cena fan myself but it was a pretty bad way of wording his take. He’s probably not a rapist or anything but he made a mistake here |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 14, 2023 14:33:28 GMT -5
"We all make mistakes, we all have poor decisions." were Cena's words. Everything else I could just shrug off as people being loyal to someone they had a close relationship for years, personally I would still ghost the hell out of them. But those words are so careless and blasé about the accused sexual harassment and assault levied against Vince. Those words lessen the statements from the women who are at the center of this. Basically saying what they went through comes down to nothing more than an accident or an honest mistake when in reality it came from vile and thought out actions from Vince.
I'm sure that isn't how he meant it to sound, but the way he phrased it was absolute dogshit. I am not quick to say Cena is a complete POS or anything, but dude needs to learn to phrase things differently. "gotcha" question or not, dude had to know he'd be asked about it eventually and should have had a better response thought out.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 14, 2023 14:37:42 GMT -5
Oh, *please*. Let’s knock of the hyperbole, people, It’s not as if John was standing right beside Vince cheering him on as he committed all of those horrible actions. That was kind of a “gotcha” question they asked him, anyway. I’m a pretty big Cena fan myself but it was a pretty bad way of wording his take. He’s probably not a rapist or anything but he made a mistake here No way, this was a trap question, pure and simple. Even if I wasn’t a fan of the guy, I’m not going to rag on him because he doesn’t get up every day and deal with the Vince that Rita Chatterton was attacked by. It wasn’t the first thing on his mind when he signed with the company over two decades ago. I can concede to the idea that “no comment” would have been a smoother remark for John to make but I’m sure his emotions were triggered through his personal history with the man, hence why we got a different answer. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 15:08:53 GMT -5
I mean, it’s not really a trap question because, from a mainstream point of view, all of this is factoring into a potential sale of a massive media company involving someone who was ousted for using corporate funds to pay women off to not blab and sue the company so hard, they would own every inch of Vince’s ass. If a company like Disney or Netflix, that is the burden they’re going to have to take on.
If anything, with the bidder meetings coming up next month, these companies are asking these questions more across the big companies because the implications of a sale on several companies (Comcast, FOX, Disney, potentially even AEW) are going to make these questions more heated, especially with everyone involved. Independent contractors or otherwise.
And again, if your first instinct to a question like that isn’t “I’m not willing to answer that at this time”, it says a lot about the chokehold Vince has on you, the PR team you have surrounding you and possibly you as a person and really, with a bunch of projects coming up with people more willing to quiz you on it as time goes on, any answer now will lead to more messes to clean up down the line.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 14, 2023 15:22:16 GMT -5
I mean, it’s not really a trap question because, from a mainstream point of view, all of this is factoring into a potential sale of a massive media company involving someone who was ousted for using corporate funds to pay women off to not blab and sue the company so hard, they would own every inch of Vince’s ass. If a company like Disney or Netflix, that is the burden they’re going to have to take on. If anything, with the bidder meetings coming up next month, these companies are asking these questions more across the big companies because the implications of a sale on several companies (Comcast, FOX, Disney, potentially even AEW) are going to make these questions more heated, especially with everyone involved. Independent contractors or otherwise. And again, if your first instinct to a question like that isn’t “I’m not willing to answer that at this time”, it says a lot about the chokehold Vince has on you, the PR team you have surrounding you and possibly you as a person and really, with a bunch of projects coming up with people more willing to quiz you on it as time goes on, any answer now will lead to more messes to clean up down the line. Of course it’s a trap question, a sizable portion of the wrestling reporters who are seeking to ask Cena about Vince sex crimes probably are aware he doesn’t know much about the inner works of the sale. Not his department. It’s not as if some of them likely care, the goal is to make clickbait. They want the hits coming from the impression of “WWE’s #1 star allegedly doesn’t care about women’s safety! He’s a fraud!” |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 15:28:35 GMT -5
I mean, it’s not really a trap question because, from a mainstream point of view, all of this is factoring into a potential sale of a massive media company involving someone who was ousted for using corporate funds to pay women off to not blab and sue the company so hard, they would own every inch of Vince’s ass. If a company like Disney or Netflix, that is the burden they’re going to have to take on. If anything, with the bidder meetings coming up next month, these companies are asking these questions more across the big companies because the implications of a sale on several companies (Comcast, FOX, Disney, potentially even AEW) are going to make these questions more heated, especially with everyone involved. Independent contractors or otherwise. And again, if your first instinct to a question like that isn’t “I’m not willing to answer that at this time”, it says a lot about the chokehold Vince has on you, the PR team you have surrounding you and possibly you as a person and really, with a bunch of projects coming up with people more willing to quiz you on it as time goes on, any answer now will lead to more messes to clean up down the line. Of course it’s a trap question, a sizable portion of the wrestling reporters who are seeking to ask Cena about Vince sex crimes probably are aware he doesn’t know much about the inner works of the sale. Not his department. It’s not as if some of them likely care, the goal is to make clickbait. They want the hits coming from the impression of “WWE’s #1 star allegedly doesn’t care about women’s safety! He’s a fraud!” I mean, he’s an established face of the company. Still working for them despite everything that’s happened. Trap question or not, he can’t not expect people to ask about it. That’s why PR people literally exist to avoid these things and tell people to avoid that line of questioning. As someone who had to do press interviews for film festivals and red carpets, that’d happened a lot to me personally and people I’ve associated with. If the Kroenkes were found out to be shittier than they already are and actually committed any of the same crimes, yeah, people are going to ask Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta about it in the same way Eddie Howe is asked about the fact he runs the football team owned by Saudi Arabia. It’s not his department but he’s getting paid by them. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 14, 2023 15:30:52 GMT -5
Of course it’s a trap question, a sizable portion of the wrestling reporters who are seeking to ask Cena about Vince sex crimes probably are aware he doesn’t know much about the inner works of the sale. Not his department. It’s not as if some of them likely care, the goal is to make clickbait. They want the hits coming from the impression of “WWE’s #1 star allegedly doesn’t care about women’s safety! He’s a fraud!” I mean, he’s an established face of the company. Still working for them despite everything that’s happened. Trap question or not, he can’t not expect people to ask about it. That’s why PR people literally exist to avoid these things and tell people to avoid that line of questioning. As someone who had to do press interviews for film festivals and red carpets, that’d happened a lot to me personally and people I’ve associated with. If the Kroenkes were found out to be shittier than they already are and actually committed any of the same crimes, yeah, people are going to ask Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta about it in the same way Eddie Howe is asked about the fact he runs the football team owned by Saudi Arabia. It’s not his department but he’s getting paid by them. As someone who has done PR before, this is exactly the kind of thing he would have been briefed on beforehand at some point. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 14, 2023 15:34:16 GMT -5
Both Cena and Danielson are two guys I lost a lot of respect for from their awful answers on this issue.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 14, 2023 15:37:18 GMT -5
Let's be real: if Cena was willing to defend a genocidal regime because they pay his bills, of course he's going to apologize for Vince.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 15:47:50 GMT -5
Both Cena and Danielson are two guys I lost a lot of respect for from their awful answers on this issue. And I should clarify again, even with the context I said about Vince’s Jedi mind tricks and manipulation, that’s completely understandable. I don’t blame anyone for feeling that way. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 14, 2023 17:51:09 GMT -5
It's fairly astounding that Vince's mind tricks still work given how openly horrendously he's treated the majority of people who've looked at him as a father figure, from Bret to his own children, even his formerly beloved son in law got booted under the bus and his work undone. Even without the sexual misconduct, how do you look at someone who eventually treats everyone this way and go 'Well, he's hurt a lot of people, sexually assaulted one of my co-workers and paid them off not to speak out, but hasn't hurt me yet, so this is the hill I want to die on'?
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Post by Big BosskMan on Mar 14, 2023 18:44:21 GMT -5
Well, that is certainly a take, John.
He needs a PR person to work on messaging and phrasing with him.
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Mar 14, 2023 18:52:28 GMT -5
I think the notion of "love them warts and all" has gotta have limits, y'know?
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