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Post by mc74 on Mar 14, 2023 18:55:19 GMT -5
Can't say I'm surprised. Cena is a company man through & through.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 14, 2023 19:59:57 GMT -5
There's quite a few people in the wrestling business who need to learn the age-old tactic of shutting the f*** up.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Mar 14, 2023 21:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah someone definitely needed to tell Cena not to comment on this whatsoever. This makes him look like a fool, and even worse that he's now building a Mania program in the public eye
Just the last thing he should have said about sexual assault accusations is "Everyone make mistakes right? Doesn't mean you love them any less"
Like... yeah it does dude, you ain't speaking for me or the general public about this, dig up stupid lmfao
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 14, 2023 21:52:13 GMT -5
I get peoples' loyalty, but it's just so goddamn easy to throw out a platitude without just sweeping everything away.
Unsurprising, really, though.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 14, 2023 22:34:42 GMT -5
Ahh thought leaving for Hollywood meant Cena was free from Vince’s Jedi mindtricks I always thought of this scene thinking of John Cena and Vince McMahon youtu.be/mllfk5sxmOs |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 15, 2023 2:00:09 GMT -5
It's fairly astounding that Vince's mind tricks still work given how openly horrendously he's treated the majority of people who've looked at him as a father figure, from Bret to his own children, even his formerly beloved son in law got booted under the bus and his work undone. Even without the sexual misconduct, how do you look at someone who eventually treats everyone this way and go 'Well, he's hurt a lot of people, sexually assaulted one of my co-workers and paid them off not to speak out, but hasn't hurt me yet, so this is the hill I want to die on'? Because he’s still the most powerful person in the business and had that free reign of being on top in America for two decades to spin that yarn and cement his power. He wasn’t to blame for some of those acts, Johnny Ace/Paul Heyman/Jim Ross/Nick Khan/Insert Name Here was because they managed to get in Vince’s ear somehow. And when your biggest “rival” for many years was a company that had its own internal turmoil at not even 1/5th size, of course you’re going to abuse your power to make it out that the breadcrumbs he gives you are a gourmet meal in comparison. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 15, 2023 10:09:13 GMT -5
This is what Cena had to say about Vince in an interview with the AP: "No (it is not hard to reconcile the feelings I have for Vince McMahon with the allegations against him). I mean, everyone has the right to have their perspective. I have the right to have mine. When you love somebody, you take them as imperfectly perfect as they are. We all make mistakes, we all have poor decisions. Lord knows I’ve made my collection of poor choices. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to love somebody. There’s no way I can go on record and say I don’t love Vince McMahon."  |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 15, 2023 10:12:32 GMT -5
It's fairly astounding that Vince's mind tricks still work given how openly horrendously he's treated the majority of people who've looked at him as a father figure, from Bret to his own children, even his formerly beloved son in law got booted under the bus and his work undone. Even without the sexual misconduct, how do you look at someone who eventually treats everyone this way and go 'Well, he's hurt a lot of people, sexually assaulted one of my co-workers and paid them off not to speak out, but hasn't hurt me yet, so this is the hill I want to die on'? Terrible people seem to engender unbreakable loyalty from otherwise sensible people. There are still those who defend R. Kelly, for example. I don't know the psychology of it, but it is fascinating to watch. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 15, 2023 10:18:16 GMT -5
It's fairly astounding that Vince's mind tricks still work given how openly horrendously he's treated the majority of people who've looked at him as a father figure, from Bret to his own children, even his formerly beloved son in law got booted under the bus and his work undone. Even without the sexual misconduct, how do you look at someone who eventually treats everyone this way and go 'Well, he's hurt a lot of people, sexually assaulted one of my co-workers and paid them off not to speak out, but hasn't hurt me yet, so this is the hill I want to die on'? Terrible people seem to engender unbreakable loyalty from otherwise sensible people. There are still those who defend R. Kelly, for example. I don't know the psychology of it, but it is fascinating to watch. Maybe because Cena knew Vince on a personal level and Vince, TO HIM was nothing but a benevolent father figure and the guy that made him a star |
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 15, 2023 14:11:24 GMT -5
Wrestlers are used to softball questions from wrestling journalists who are eager not to lose access and can often be starstruck (credit where its due for all their faults Meltzer and Alvarez couldn't care less about being the wrestler's friends). So, when someone from the AP asks questions where one has to actually engage the brain to come up with a decent answer Cena floundered big time, after this and the Taiwan debacle he is probably going to get media/PR training from Hollywood. Rock was kept far away from a mic in his first few years of acting too if memory serves for presumably similar reasons and should she continue to get roles I predict some freethinking misadventures in Ms Mone's non wrestling media chats.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 15, 2023 14:18:05 GMT -5
BTW, these aren't comments to some dipshit wrestling reporter or anything. Cena's statement was made to the Associated Press. AKA real journalists.
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Post by BRV on Mar 15, 2023 15:07:25 GMT -5
Terrible people seem to engender unbreakable loyalty from otherwise sensible people. There are still those who defend R. Kelly, for example. I don't know the psychology of it, but it is fascinating to watch. Maybe because Cena knew Vince on a personal level and Vince, TO HIM was nothing but a benevolent father figure and the guy that made him a star I think that’s it. Before Vince McMahon came along, John Cena was a bodybuilder working for chump change who occasionally wrestled in flea markets. Twenty years later, he’s one of the most decorated pro wrestlers in history, a legitimate movie and TV star, and instantly recognizable around the world. He probably credits Vince McMahon with giving him the opportunity to live out this dream, and he’s loyal, to a fault. Not to dismiss the way he hand-waved the allegations against Vince, but if I’m crawling inside the head of John Cena, that’s how I imagine he’s thinking and feeling about the man who he probably views as a second father. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 15, 2023 15:21:53 GMT -5
Maybe because Cena knew Vince on a personal level and Vince, TO HIM was nothing but a benevolent father figure and the guy that made him a star I think that’s it. Before Vince McMahon came along, John Cena was a bodybuilder working for chump change who occasionally wrestled in flea markets. Twenty years later, he’s one of the most decorated pro wrestlers in history, a legitimate movie and TV star, and instantly recognizable around the world. He probably credits Vince McMahon with giving him the opportunity to live out this dream, and he’s loyal, to a fault. Not to dismiss the way he hand-waved the allegations against Vince, but if I’m crawling inside the head of John Cena, that’s how I imagine he’s thinking and feeling about the man who he probably views as a second father. You said it better than I could, really. And it’s not like there isn’t precedence for that going the opposite way. Rock doesn’t seem like someone who needs Vince anymore outside of stuff that would benefit the both of them to an extent (Young Rock, the XFL sale) and that’s before you get into the awkward history where the WWE let his contract expire and everything around that and even now when last year, they set up an entire show for him to do something and he couldn’t even send a video. Instead he sent a prop for his Netflix movie. He did more for Impact Wrestling than he did WWE and for IW, it was the third promo he filmed that day. So Cena looked at that, even if it lead to the highest buyrate for a WrestleMania likely ever, and went “Yeah, I have this guy’s back for life for everything” which, cannot stress this enough, does not justify anything he said but you can squint a lot and see an inch bit of logic. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 15, 2023 17:07:29 GMT -5
The noxious thing to me about this "Everyone makes mistakes" apologetics nonsense is how much Vince has resisted consequences and responded to these allegations going public by putting himself on camera to be cheered and prove that his 'mistakes' don't matter. The thing about everyone making mistakes is that people need to go that step into owning what they've done and not doing it again, but with Vince we have decades of sexual impropriety and hush money that only ends a couple years ago. When he stepped down because the heat got too much he reportedly regretted doing it and then charged back in, holding the company at gunpoint to reinstate him. If you don't move on from your mistakes and do better, and keep doing that same thing, that's not someone being imperfect, that's someone not caring who they hurt.
Big loss of respect for Cena and Danielson alike here. I don't care what they did for you, it's a response rooted in not even beginnig to perceive that people were actually hurt by this.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 15, 2023 17:31:21 GMT -5
I get it. If you've known someone for years and they've been good to you, it can be very difficult to understand how horrible they can be to other people. It's why abusers get away with this shit for years and have people defending them to the last. For every person McMahon abused, I'm sure there were dozens (if not hundreds) he was nice to.
But calling sexual harassment and abuse "mistakes" is a terrible look. I'm sure that's not the word McMahon's victims would use.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 16, 2023 8:21:34 GMT -5
It's fairly astounding that Vince's mind tricks still work given how openly horrendously he's treated the majority of people who've looked at him as a father figure, from Bret to his own children, even his formerly beloved son in law got booted under the bus and his work undone. Even without the sexual misconduct, how do you look at someone who eventually treats everyone this way and go 'Well, he's hurt a lot of people, sexually assaulted one of my co-workers and paid them off not to speak out, but hasn't hurt me yet, so this is the hill I want to die on'? Terrible people seem to engender unbreakable loyalty from otherwise sensible people. There are still those who defend R. Kelly, for example. I don't know the psychology of it, but it is fascinating to watch. Bill Cosby is another example. The actors who played the Huxtable kids seemed to really struggle to reconcile his sex crimes, given that he was like a nurturing father to them throughout their young lives. I believe Phylicia Rashad still holds to his innocence. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 16, 2023 9:40:45 GMT -5
Terrible people seem to engender unbreakable loyalty from otherwise sensible people. There are still those who defend R. Kelly, for example. I don't know the psychology of it, but it is fascinating to watch. Bill Cosby is another example. The actors who played the Huxtable kids seemed to really struggle to reconcile his sex crimes, given that he was like a nurturing father to them throughout their young lives. I believe Phylicia Rashad still holds to his innocence. Yeah, I just think it is very difficult to reconcile the person you know vs. the person someone else knows. In my own life, I had a bad experience with a relative (nothing criminal, just their attitude), and I have people telling me what a great guy he is. I can't convince them he's a bad guy anymore than they can tell me he's a good one. |
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Post by bluebeach25 on Mar 16, 2023 15:40:19 GMT -5
I don’t blame him for having love for the guy that gave him a decade long face of the company run and put him in the position he is today, but he really could of just said no comment Same he easly is so thankful to Vince for getting what he got but he shouldn't have comment. There is gonna be a bad taste in the future after this a bit actually.. didn't expect John to comment about it at all. He seemed to smart for that |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 24, 2023 7:48:36 GMT -5
so apparently there was a pretape for Raw where someone said wrestler and was told they had to do the promo again?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 24, 2023 8:59:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure "no comment" would have got him out of that muck, either.
Why wouldn't (and why SHOULDN'T) any reporter just follow that up with "So you don't care about the victims? How hard is it to denounce someone like Vince? 'No comment' is the same as an endorsement, John."?
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