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Post by Cyno on Jul 24, 2022 10:54:52 GMT -5
The crowd ate up MJF's "pipe bomb" and it had a lot of positive reaction. I personally hated it though. Between that and the antics at Double or Nothing weekend, it soured me a lot on MJF.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jul 24, 2022 14:06:09 GMT -5
Ventura kept calling Gorilla Gino during WM 1
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 24, 2022 14:23:33 GMT -5
Nash s shoot commentary on his last night as booker on Thunder
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 24, 2022 14:35:32 GMT -5
There’s nothing I hate more in wrestling than “Everything is fake, but this is real” bullshit. Yeah, it's the trap almost every single "worked shoot" thing falls into... Punk's original Pipebomb is about the only one that worked because everything he said still worked 100% in kayfabe and the ultimate point was I am the best in the world and I'm going to prove it by beating John Cena in a wrestling match. He didn't mention that any other match was pre-determined, that htere was a script, or anything of that nature... if you knew you knew but even if you didn't everything he said still fits on stuff that was portrayed on Television Vince and the company at large had been heels for over a decade at that point.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 24, 2022 14:41:09 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett's worked shoot on his return to the WWF in '97 was met with mostly silence.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 24, 2022 14:51:52 GMT -5
Not WWE but MJF's "pipebomb" when he was saying stuff like "Is it because I wrestle safely and don't do head drops?" was absolutely painful and sums up basically everything I hate in my wrestling. Like, WHY would he wrestle "safely" in kayfabe? It makes absolutely no sense that he wouldn't want to hurt his opponent as much as possible. If he were a babyface you could explain that away, and saying there’s a code of honour where you don’t try and severely injure your opponent in a way that could jeopardize their career in a normal match. MMA has some moves that are perfectly legal but considered dirty and controversial and some people won’t use them. But MJF was cutting a heel promo so the line didn’t work. That promo was some of the best delivery of MJF’s life, but the content sucked.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 24, 2022 14:56:46 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out what Roman's post-Mania 34, "No one smartened me up!" promo was supposed to mean in kayfabe.
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Post by bob on Jul 24, 2022 15:02:22 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan's bizarre "Observe This!" promo that kicked off the inaugural World War 3 event back in 1995. IE that was the promo in which Hogan burned a copy of the Wrestler Observer newsletter and declared "The Internet" to be the last great bastion of truth in the wrestling world. Which is a hilariously ironic statement given that A: Where do you think all the message boards and websites got all of their info from in the first place? That's right, newsletters. and B: In typical Hogan fashion he himself was spouting off nonsense when he claimed that Randy Savage's arm wasn't injured at all, when in fact Savage had been legit working hurt for a couple of months up to that point. Yeah the Norfolk crowd didn't know what to make of this bit of weirdness at all. well now I have to watch 1995 World War 3
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 24, 2022 15:19:27 GMT -5
There’s nothing I hate more in wrestling than “Everything is fake, but this is real” bullshit. Yeah, it's the trap almost every single "worked shoot" thing falls into... Punk's original Pipebomb is about the only one that worked because everything he said still worked 100% in kayfabe and the ultimate point was I am the best in the world and I'm going to prove it by beating John Cena in a wrestling match. He didn't mention that any other match was pre-determined, that htere was a script, or anything of that nature... if you knew you knew but even if you didn't everything he said still fits on stuff that was portrayed on Television Vince and the company at large had been heels for over a decade at that point. Undertaker did a really good worked shoot on RAW in 98 where he said Vince McMahon was exploiting his family drama for ratings. He was drifting in and out of kayfabe and shoot. He did however say Vince didn't keep him as WWF champion for long because he didn't think he could keep the mustard, no way to kayfabe explain that. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin's rise to the top was very organic and even had shoot elements to it along the way. Problem is, it's very difficult to straddle the line between "work" and "shoot" without undermining the rest of the show. Even the Attitude Era, as successful as it was, had promos that implied it was all scripted, such as Undertaker is taking his Ministry of Darkness character too far and constantly calling him "Mark." Not that the fans cared or anything. 2000 WCW was worse though.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 24, 2022 15:48:56 GMT -5
Ventura kept calling Gorilla Gino during WM 1 Not too sure about this one. Even as a kid, I assumed Gino was his real name as I doubt his legal name was "Gorilla". It's not like Monsoon was a stoic character like Undertaker, moreso like Bret "Hitman" Hart, in that his nickname doesn't define his personality.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jul 24, 2022 15:58:53 GMT -5
Ventura kept calling Gorilla Gino during WM 1 Not too sure about this one. Even as a kid, I assumed Gino was his real name as I doubt his legal name was "Gorilla". It's not like Monsoon was a stoic character like Undertaker, moreso like Bret "Hitman" Hart, in that his nickname doesn't define his personality. But there was another man on the broadcast team named "Gene" already. Little kids might have assumed Jesse couldn't tell Monsoon and Okerlund apart. Would feel like someone calling the Huckster "Terry" when he fought the Red Rooster.
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Post by XIII on Jul 24, 2022 16:02:31 GMT -5
Jesse always ribbing Gorilla for betting on matches and going to the casino.
Warrior asking Hogan if the Disciple was his Barber. Honestly don’t remember what the reaction was to this one, because I didn’t realize it was Brutus at the time.
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Post by nakedmideon on Jul 24, 2022 16:09:57 GMT -5
After the stooges had a match on raw in 99 Patterson was taking his top off and dancing in celebration and JR said something along the lines of "and he's available fellas"
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jul 24, 2022 16:25:42 GMT -5
The Billionaire Ted Wrestling War Room sketches, especially the latter ones where Vince really tried to go for Turner's jugular by bringing up some not so flattering quotes that Ted may or may not have said during interviews.
At least with early sketches yeah they were pretty shootie too, but at least the casuals could still get the point: WCW Main Eventers = Old and Busted/ WWF Main Eventers = New Hotness. (And yeah I am aware of the irony of said ads featuring Diesel and Razor Ramon despite them having one foot out the door and on their way to WCW.)
But as mentioned before the later sketches were the last act of a desperate man who was so paranoid about Turner that he actually took out a front page ad in USA Today to tell everyone that the then merger between Turner and Time Warner was a bad thing because monopolies are bad for business. (Another irony.)
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jul 24, 2022 16:28:50 GMT -5
After the stooges had a match on raw in 99 Patterson was taking his top off and dancing in celebration and JR said something along the lines of "and he's available fellas" Ross really went to the Patterson is gay joke well a lot back in the Attitude Era. Other examples: (After Pat got big splashed by Viscera) "I don't think Pat has ever had that much man on top of him before." "I heard Patterson got a job at the Brisco Brothers auto shop he handles all the rear ends."
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2022 16:41:09 GMT -5
The backstage promo on Dynamite a couple of weeks back when Britt Baker handed a sandbag to Tony Schiavone and said “You try carrying her for a month” in regards to Thunder Rosa. The remark referenced the rumours/idea that Thunder Rosa sandbagged Marina Shafir a couple of months back and that Britt had to carry her in her feud. Not only would the average viewer not pick up on that, from a kayfabe perspective it made zero sense whatsoever. There’s nothing I hate more in wrestling than “Everything is fake, but this is real” bullshit. It was still not great, but I mean, you don't have to be kayfabing to say you're "carrying" your opponent, so it works from that standpoint. Wrestlers are still, even in kayfabe, trying to have entertaining matches.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 24, 2022 18:02:54 GMT -5
After the stooges had a match on raw in 99 Patterson was taking his top off and dancing in celebration and JR said something along the lines of "and he's available fellas" Ross really went to the Patterson is gay joke well a lot back in the Attitude Era. Other examples: (After Pat got big splashed by Viscera) "I don't think Pat has ever had that much man on top of him before." "I heard Patterson got a job at the Brisco Brothers auto shop he handles all the rear ends." There were a bunch. Aside from that rear ends line one that always pops up in my mind when this gets discussed was one episode around Christmas. The stooges dressed up like elves for some reason. This prompted JR to say, “Brisco is an elf, Patterson’s a fairy.” If JR did this in AEW today, he would be cancelled so fast, it would make Patterson rise up from the grave just to gloat that JR finally got his comeuppance.
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Post by evilone on Jul 24, 2022 18:10:48 GMT -5
From what I remember, Russo calling hogan bald is what got him sued by hulk. Everything else was cool, but bald slander? TOO FAR, DUDE 😂😂😂😂😂 in my opinion this promo is the single greatest contribution Vince Russo ever made to the wrestling business I don't know how he and Bisch managed to get Hogan into this worked shoot that turned into shoot angle. Russo's delivery of that promo was way too organic so I think Russo knew from the get go how it's gonna go down or maybe he just wanted to vent and went too far. I don't know, I don't care but Russo is the one who somehow managed to end Hogan's terror reign in WCW. Little too late but still. He made way too many idiotic decision in his WCW tenure to get a pass but he had some common sense to push Jarret, Booker, Benoit into title picture and finally he is the one who made Bret Hart the WCW champion. I even liked Kidman vs Hogan idea that Hogan once again no sold.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2022 18:21:31 GMT -5
Ross really went to the Patterson is gay joke well a lot back in the Attitude Era. Other examples: (After Pat got big splashed by Viscera) "I don't think Pat has ever had that much man on top of him before." "I heard Patterson got a job at the Brisco Brothers auto shop he handles all the rear ends." There were a bunch. Aside from that rear ends line one that always pops up in my mind when this gets discussed was one episode around Christmas. The stooges dressed up like elves for some reason. This prompted JR to say, “Brisco is an elf, Patterson’s a fairy.” If JR did this in AEW today, he would be cancelled so fast, it would make Patterson rise up from the grave just to gloat that JR finally got his comeuppance. Not everyone was cool with it at the time, either, but between just a higher level of homophobic humor being seen as acceptable, and the presumption Pat and JR were friends, people gave it a pass. I don't honestly know if JR and Pat were friends and it was intended in good humor or not, like I'd assume so, but who knows, really. I do know JR went along with hurtful jokes sometimes like that he'd agree to be weighed with Paul Bearer shot it down as not being something he found funny, even if JR was going to subject himself to it, too, for Vince and crew's amusement.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 24, 2022 18:26:43 GMT -5
There were a bunch. Aside from that rear ends line one that always pops up in my mind when this gets discussed was one episode around Christmas. The stooges dressed up like elves for some reason. This prompted JR to say, “Brisco is an elf, Patterson’s a fairy.” If JR did this in AEW today, he would be cancelled so fast, it would make Patterson rise up from the grave just to gloat that JR finally got his comeuppance. Not everyone was cool with it at the time, either, but between just a higher level of homophobic humor being seen as acceptable, and the presumption Pat and JR were friends, people gave it a pass. I don't honestly know if JR and Pat were friends and it was intended in good humor or not, like I'd assume so, but who knows, really. I do know JR went along with hurtful jokes sometimes like that he'd agree to be weighed with Paul Bearer shot it down as not being something he found funny, even if JR was going to subject himself to it, too, for Vince and crew's amusement. I always just assumed it was just Vince speaking into JR’s ear for his own amusement. I doubt it bothered Pat much. From everything I’ve heard about Pat’s sexuality it was pretty much an open secret that he was gay for decades. So I’m sure while some were cool with him or just ignored it, plenty of homophobic guys gave him shit over the years so Patterson developed a pretty thick skin to it all.
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