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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 23, 2022 22:41:33 GMT -5
Is this the reason Undertaker didn't work with Chris Jericho for 10 years, until they had their throwaway match on free TV Smackdown?
Was Jericho wrong here to disrespect a highly regarded veteran in the company as a new comer?
Or was Undertaker simply butt hurt and couldn't take a promo?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 24, 2022 0:32:47 GMT -5
Nah, Jericho was a naive new-comer in spite of the accrued time in pro-wrestling outside of WWE.
Taker was probably butt-hurt rather than anything else.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 24, 2022 1:27:59 GMT -5
I mean, he was f***ing boring.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jul 24, 2022 1:48:05 GMT -5
I mean, he was f***ing boring. Oh God, he absolutely was. The Ministry/Corporate Ministry angle helped to cover things up a bit but when that ended (and to be fair in the few months before) he was a chore to watch. He looked out of shape and out of f***s to give. IIRC there was an episode of Raw just before he took time off for injuries where he could barely walk to the ring, he badly needed to go away for a year and recharge. I’ve never been the biggest fan of Biker Taker but at least when he came back with that gimmick the best part of a year later, he looked like he actually wanted to be there.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2022 4:19:47 GMT -5
1999 Undertaker was really embarrassing. Between being broken down and his acrimonious divorce he was going through, he really couldn't hide that he was miserable. Still, he probably was roughing it out both due to the money being too good and loyalty to Vince, not unlike Austin similarly having a rough divorce and injuries in 1999, himself. Austin was a whole lot better at hiding his frailties, though, by then.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 24, 2022 4:54:40 GMT -5
According to Jericho's book, it was Shawn who got in a huff over Jericho saying Taker was boring.
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Post by msc on Jul 24, 2022 5:20:11 GMT -5
According to Jericho's book, it was Shawn who got in a huff over Jericho saying Taker was boring. Yeah iirc, it was all good to go, but once it happened, certain Iagos got into taker and Vince's heads about it.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 24, 2022 5:20:12 GMT -5
Pretty much everyone who had heat with Jericho ended up working with him within the year once Jericho started catching fire.
For Jericho vs. Taker, it was just that between them being the same heel/face alignments for a while, both being WWF talent in the Invasion, and them being on opposite brands during the brand split era (Jericho was a Raw guy for most of his 2002-2005 run, and Taker was almost entirely Smackdown for the remainder of his career), they just weren't ever in a position to have a high profile singles match.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 24, 2022 5:24:48 GMT -5
I mean, he was f***ing boring. Oh God, he absolutely was. The Ministry/Corporate Ministry angle helped to cover things up a bit but when that ended (and to be fair in the few months before) he was a chore to watch. He looked out of shape and out of f***s to give. IIRC there was an episode of Raw just before he took time off for injuries where he could barely walk to the ring, he badly needed to go away for a year and recharge. I’ve never been the biggest fan of Biker Taker but at least when he came back with that gimmick the best part of a year later, he looked like he actually wanted to be there. Yes, he still wasn't in the best shape when he came back as Biker Taker but the new gimmick seemed to really motivate him. He had some great matches during 2000-2001. The best he'd had since his feud with Kane and Hell in a Cell in 1998.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 24, 2022 6:23:40 GMT -5
I mean, he was f***ing boring. Oh God, he absolutely was. The Ministry/Corporate Ministry angle helped to cover things up a bit but when that ended (and to be fair in the few months before) he was a chore to watch. He looked out of shape and out of f***s to give. IIRC there was an episode of Raw just before he took time off for injuries where he could barely walk to the ring, he badly needed to go away for a year and recharge. I’ve never been the biggest fan of Biker Taker but at least when he came back with that gimmick the best part of a year later, he looked like he actually wanted to be there. The best thing that came from Ministry Taker was when he was acting like a cartoon villain on commentary. “Mideon you better get up, boy! Nooo! Someone’s going to pay for this!”
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 24, 2022 6:46:06 GMT -5
Nah, screw having to respect a veteran or whatever, the promo he's talking about is legendarily dogshit and calling it boring isn't bad, it's never bad. It's only good to call him boring.
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Post by XIII on Jul 24, 2022 6:58:30 GMT -5
Didn’t the top guys at least have to submit what their promo was going to be to Vince or Russo or whoever for approval back then? I remember Jericho had to for his debut promo with the Rock.
So if that’s the case someone approved him calling Taker boring and even worse someone probably wrote or approved that piece of shit promo about dropping the Big Show off in Death Valley and he made a new pair of boots and a tie. Blame that guy.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 24, 2022 7:07:32 GMT -5
Taker was absolutely dreadful in 99 so it's certainly not a lie.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 24, 2022 7:20:08 GMT -5
The only issue is if you're not having a program with Taker why bring it up at all and cause trouble. Calling another wrestler boring makes no sense in kayfabe.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 24, 2022 8:50:44 GMT -5
he was 100% right about the promo being boring as hell, even my 13 year old ass was sitting there with my friends going "when is he going to stop rambling?"
and of course Undertaker is a humourless douche so he reacted in the most childish manner he could muster.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 24, 2022 9:16:08 GMT -5
Close to only good thing about Taker in '99 is that he looked cool as hell (pun fully intended) during the Minestry days.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 24, 2022 11:48:55 GMT -5
Yeah to be fair that was a hilariously bad Taker promo. Jericho didn’t really take anything away from it when he was clowning on him. It was one of the rare instances where the wrestlers got shooty and it actually benefited the segment.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 25, 2022 8:15:32 GMT -5
TBF, I don't always remember that Jericho interrupted That Promo. It's the promo I remember...a (bad) attempt to tell a coked-out '80s Hogan story.
Jericho had a lot of people after him when he debuted...threat over a new guy? A WCW guy? Who can say? I know he himself admitted there were things he could have done better. He didn't even like his debut promo.
And yes...my dad, who was a big Taker fan (and he was only recognizing the guys he remembered from the 80s and early 90s by this time), came in the room when they were sacrificing Mideon, and he had NO idea what they were going for. He was also losing the match mojo he had from working with Mick and Shawn a couple years prior.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 25, 2022 8:23:10 GMT -5
I mean, he was f***ing boring. Oh God, he absolutely was. The Ministry/Corporate Ministry angle helped to cover things up a bit but when that ended (and to be fair in the few months before) he was a chore to watch. He looked out of shape and out of f***s to give. IIRC there was an episode of Raw just before he took time off for injuries where he could barely walk to the ring, he badly needed to go away for a year and recharge. I’ve never been the biggest fan of Biker Taker but at least when he came back with that gimmick the best part of a year later, he looked like he actually wanted to be there. Yeah, the combo of needing time off to mentally recharge, some really lame creative (the ministry stuff sucked, though maybe that's biased due to the payoff) and Taker being banged up just made him look miserable and BE miserable to watch
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 25, 2022 8:58:30 GMT -5
Oh God, he absolutely was. The Ministry/Corporate Ministry angle helped to cover things up a bit but when that ended (and to be fair in the few months before) he was a chore to watch. He looked out of shape and out of f***s to give. IIRC there was an episode of Raw just before he took time off for injuries where he could barely walk to the ring, he badly needed to go away for a year and recharge. I’ve never been the biggest fan of Biker Taker but at least when he came back with that gimmick the best part of a year later, he looked like he actually wanted to be there. Yes, he still wasn't in the best shape when he came back as Biker Taker but the new gimmick seemed to really motivate him. He had some great matches during 2000-2001. The best he'd had since his feud with Kane and Hell in a Cell in 1998. Did he though? I remember 2000-01 being the "Taker no sells everything unprofessionally" period.
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