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Post by Cyno on Aug 1, 2022 22:01:54 GMT -5
Aries is also a sexpest, so he makes the rest of the people listed there look like boy scouts.
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Post by eJm on Aug 2, 2022 9:53:47 GMT -5
Eh, putting Davey on there feels mean considering he has been outspoken about how silly he was back then and by all accounts has been putting on bangers without being the locker room annoyance he once was.
Also putting ACH on there is…problematic, I think that’s the best way to put it?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 2, 2022 10:27:32 GMT -5
Eh, putting Davey on there feels mean considering he has been outspoken about how silly he was back then and by all accounts has been putting on bangers without being the locker room annoyance he once was. Also putting ACH on there is…problematic, I think that’s the best way to put it? Davey's gotten his shit together by all accounts, but 2008-2013 Davey really is the best comparison to Grisham at the moment. World class technical talents with the charisma of a damp washrag, and the ego and backstage mentality of Ultimate Warrior. I genuinely don't understand how so many pro wrestlers cannot grasp the concept that they're in a performance art and not a legitimate competition, and their career prospects depend on not doing good wrestling things Grisham also hasn't publicly taken liberties with anyone yet, which is a massive point in his favor but also a very low bar to cross.
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Post by eJm on Aug 2, 2022 10:48:30 GMT -5
Eh, putting Davey on there feels mean considering he has been outspoken about how silly he was back then and by all accounts has been putting on bangers without being the locker room annoyance he once was. Also putting ACH on there is…problematic, I think that’s the best way to put it? Davey's gotten his shit together by all accounts, but 2008-2013 Davey really is the best comparison to Grisham at the moment. World class technical talents with the charisma of a damp washrag, and the ego and backstage mentality of Ultimate Warrior. I genuinely don't understand how so many pro wrestlers cannot grasp the concept that they're in a performance art and not a legitimate competition, and their career prospects depend on not doing good wrestling things Grisham also hasn't publicly taken liberties with anyone yet, which is a massive point in his favor but also a very low bar to cross. Oh, I agree with you completely on all those fronts. Just should be acknowledged that Davey gained some realization of all that.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 2, 2022 12:17:47 GMT -5
I've no doubt that Napoleon complex does exist in wrestling, but it's mostly wrestlings fault that it does. With things like HHH making fun of Chris Masters on live tv for being off the juice, wrestlers chiming in to criticize Adam Cole's size, and the no doubt multitude of stick smaller guys got in the steroid days, I can see why body dysmorphia exists so much in the industry.
That said, Aries and Low Ki could be 7 feet tall and they'd still be dickheads.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 2, 2022 12:22:37 GMT -5
I've no doubt that Napoleon complex does exist in wrestling, but it's mostly wrestlings fault that it does. With things like HHH making fun of Chris Masters on live tv for being off the juice, wrestlers chiming in to criticize Adam Cole's size, and the no doubt multitude of stick smaller guys got in the steroid days, I can see why body dysmorphia exists so much in the industry. That said, Aries and Low Ki could be 7 feet tall and they'd still be dickheads. Yeah, those two have burned bridge after bridge until they can't make the big money anymore. If that can't motivate either of them to change, having an easier time in the wrestling business on any level wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 13:32:59 GMT -5
I've no doubt that Napoleon complex does exist in wrestling, but it's mostly wrestlings fault that it does. With things like HHH making fun of Chris Masters on live tv for being off the juice, wrestlers chiming in to criticize Adam Cole's size, and the no doubt multitude of stick smaller guys got in the steroid days, I can see why body dysmorphia exists so much in the industry. That said, Aries and Low Ki could be 7 feet tall and they'd still be dickheads. Ki being 7 feet tall would at least mean his voice matches his body.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 13:48:34 GMT -5
Well, I liked his mask.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 2, 2022 14:33:30 GMT -5
Eh, putting Davey on there feels mean considering he has been outspoken about how silly he was back then and by all accounts has been putting on bangers without being the locker room annoyance he once was. Also putting ACH on there is…problematic, I think that’s the best way to put it? ACH did have maturity issues back in ROH back in the day. I am pretty sure he openly battles mental illness but I feel he is a guy who liked to have 100 percent control of himself
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Post by DSR on Aug 2, 2022 22:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 2, 2022 23:40:13 GMT -5
Eh, putting Davey on there feels mean considering he has been outspoken about how silly he was back then and by all accounts has been putting on bangers without being the locker room annoyance he once was. Also putting ACH on there is…problematic, I think that’s the best way to put it? Lio is a bit of a stretch too, since a good amount of his absences were actually injury related.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 3, 2022 0:06:56 GMT -5
I feel like Lio Rush is more that he is flakey as f*** and has no idea what he wants than anything else.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 3, 2022 0:07:43 GMT -5
He can't retire because if he retires he's going to fall off the PWI 500 list. Maybe they can start a PWI Top 500 Retired Wrestlers List
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Post by markymark on Aug 4, 2022 14:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 10, 2022 8:48:58 GMT -5
So Gresham pulled out of a match with Mike "Jon Gresham needs to slow down and put on a hold" Bennett with Zero1 USA...and then was readded to the match after Bennett also pulled out from the show.
I really hope dude can get it together because nothing he's been doing over the past year makes much sense
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Post by Burst on Aug 10, 2022 11:55:10 GMT -5
Definitely felt like "possibly retiring" probably did come out of his mouth as a knee-jerk reaction that'd be dialed down once he'd settled down a bit, so not too surprised there.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I really, really want to like Gresham and think he's got a damn good look with the Lovecraftian octopus motif especially when he's full Davy Jones with his entrance wear, but he just makes it so hard sometimes. Heck, even if he leaned into the Lovecraftian motif and was like "I am a creepy great old one occultist that's also an absurdly good technical wrestler" that would be awesome, but it's like he wants to do that but he also wants to be Shibata and be no-nonsense I am only pro wrestler when that's clearly just not working for him.
And as frustratingly body-negative as wrestling fans and even other wrestlers can be, it feels like he's straight up looking for trouble along that route sometimes.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 10, 2022 11:57:52 GMT -5
Definitely felt like "possibly retiring" probably did come out of his mouth as a knee-jerk reaction that'd be dialed down once he'd settled down a bit, so not too surprised there. Like I said earlier in the thread, I really, really want to like Gresham and think he's got a damn good look with the Lovecraftian octopus motif especially when he's full Davy Jones with his entrance wear, but he just makes it so hard sometimes. Heck, even if he leaned into the Lovecraftian motif and was like "I am a creepy great old one occultist that's also an absurdly good technical wrestler" that would be awesome, but it's like he wants to do that but he also wants to be Shibata and be no-nonsense I am only pro wrestler when that's clearly just not working for him. And as frustratingly body-negative as wrestling fans and even other wrestlers can be, it feels like he's straight up looking for trouble along that route sometimes. Gresham does have a bit of a Napolean Complex for sure, but yeah dude has always been one to make decisions based on emotion. Whether you believe AEW's side or not the fact that it sounds like to them they basically said go home and cool off should tell you that Gresham has that rep
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2022 12:01:28 GMT -5
Like I said earlier in the thread, I really, really want to like Gresham and think he's got a damn good look with the Lovecraftian octopus motif especially when he's full Davy Jones with his entrance wear, but he just makes it so hard sometimes. Heck, even if he leaned into the Lovecraftian motif and was like "I am a creepy great old one occultist that's also an absurdly good technical wrestler" that would be awesome, but it's like he wants to do that but he also wants to be Shibata and be no-nonsense I am only pro wrestler when that's clearly just not working for him. He could probably pull it off, too. I described him earlier in the thread as having the vibe of a creepy religious zealot, and while I'm increasingly sure that that is completely unintentional, it's something he could lean into to great effect.
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