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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 16:44:37 GMT -5
It kind of floors me how utterly useless the TBS title is. It could have a place but it pretty much entirely exists as a Jade Cargill vanity belt. Still can't even fathom the idea of trying to do a workhorse belt with someone who can't have a match that goes longer for two minutes without it turning into a dumpster fire. Still astounds me how Ruby wasn't the obvious choice to put the title on. She had the crowd behind her, is a much better in ring talent and you could have still had Jade beat her at some point if you wanted. Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 7, 2022 17:29:08 GMT -5
End the Rosa reign and give Stat the strap.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 7, 2022 17:45:03 GMT -5
It’s one of AEW’s bigger flaws. The pacing off some of their stories can be maddeningly slow. And the stories aren’t interesting enough to be stretched out for so long either.
Also AEW has an issue with capitalizing when someone gets hot or there’s an unexpected opportunity. They struggle with capitalizing on momentum a lot.
Especially with the women.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 7, 2022 18:01:34 GMT -5
Still astounds me how Ruby wasn't the obvious choice to put the title on. She had the crowd behind her, is a much better in ring talent and you could have still had Jade beat her at some point if you wanted. Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good. Let's be fair, the face men's title runs in AEW also largely suck.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 18:05:15 GMT -5
Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good. Let's be fair, the face men's title runs in AEW also largely suck. Yeah, at least Hangman had banger matches but his overall run of it was meh considering how white hot he was. Cody title runs were sort of just there when looking back. Allin didn't do anything for his few months. Mox first run was hurt by the pandemic and this one is okay but he has no challengers and clearly waiting for Punk It does hurt that they had two hot babyfaces in Rosa and Hangman and neither title reign really has amounted to much. Hangman hasn't done much of nothing since losing the title and imo Rosa has gone backwards while holding the title
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 7, 2022 20:27:52 GMT -5
If one of Stat or Athena is injured just pivot the healthy one to dethrone Jade. This feud has dragged on far too long and Jade's reign and Athena and Stat's overness has suffered as a result. Athena will become just another person on the roster if things don't pick up "The Tony Khan Special"
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Post by markymark on Aug 7, 2022 22:06:47 GMT -5
Still astounds me how Ruby wasn't the obvious choice to put the title on. She had the crowd behind her, is a much better in ring talent and you could have still had Jade beat her at some point if you wanted. Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good.
Not really, Ruby was already getting mixed reactions and she admitted she was still out of shape(she now looks more competent than in early 2022).
Im more afraid is that the first feud of the new TBS champ will once again be Nyla.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 7, 2022 22:37:11 GMT -5
End the Rosa reign and give Stat the strap. I agree strap Statlander up, but have her end Jade's reign/streak.
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Post by The Trashman on Aug 8, 2022 11:28:57 GMT -5
Khan has absolutely no idea how to book Jade Cargill.
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Post by champchumpchange on Aug 8, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5
Khan has absolutely no idea how to book Any of the women. Fixed that for you
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Post by chrom on Aug 8, 2022 17:14:13 GMT -5
Khan has absolutely no idea how to book Jade Cargill. He's booked her as invincible for the past two years.
She's never suffered any setbacks or weakness.
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Post by markymark on Aug 8, 2022 23:53:28 GMT -5
Khan has absolutely no idea how to book Jade Cargill. He's booked her as invincible for the past two years.
She's never suffered any setbacks or weakness.
I only remember her looking vulnerable vs Pre Baddie Red Velvet.
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 9, 2022 1:18:28 GMT -5
Since I've been annoyed about this for a while, I just want to show the matches Jade has had since she won the title over 7 months ago... So not only is it that Jade is protected to a degree, she hasn't faced ANYBODY that's even remotely a threat. No Shida, no Toni Storm, no Statlander, no Rosa, no Britt, no Nyla, no Hayter, no Abbadon, no Riho, no Athena (in an actual singles match), no Yuka, no Emi, no traveling Joshis. It has been SEVEN months, and she hasn't faced anybody. This is like if after the undefeated Goldberg won the WCW title in 1998, they had him face Chavo, Kanyon, La Parka, and random jobbers. I don't even think giving her the title was a bad choice as she's improving as a character/on the mic, and I think her matches are pretty good (her matches with TAnna Jay I generally enjoyed more than most Britt matches). But Tony is just SO LAZY when it comes to coming up with creativity for this belt/her feuds and matches. It sucks.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 9, 2022 1:33:58 GMT -5
Still astounds me how Ruby wasn't the obvious choice to put the title on. She had the crowd behind her, is a much better in ring talent and you could have still had Jade beat her at some point if you wanted. Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good. I think the bigger issue is the network LOVE Jade and wanted her as the champion. Given, if it's like the TNT title, the title may even exist in part due to them specifically suggesting it, then Jade winning would have always been the plan. Much as I like Ruby, that was probably the smart move as Jade has been a star for them. I just, yeah, am beyond bored of this angle right now, which is unfortunate.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 9, 2022 6:43:54 GMT -5
I kinda forgot this was happening too. Like just goes to show how bad this was booked. If Stat is hurt TK needs to adjust his stuff and not let things get clogged up
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Post by champchumpchange on Aug 9, 2022 6:56:33 GMT -5
I kinda forgot this was happening too. Like just goes to show how bad this was booked. If Stat is hurt TK needs to adjust his stuff and not let things get clogged up If the holding patterns that have affected Miro, Britt, Adam Cole and many others are to be believes, he doesn’t know how to adjust to a SNAFU in his plans.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 9, 2022 6:57:56 GMT -5
It’s one of AEW’s bigger flaws. The pacing off some of their stories can be maddeningly slow. And the stories aren’t interesting enough to be stretched out for so long either. It's like they have a beginning, some vague idea of the end, but no idea what the middle is or how to progress the story to said middle
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 9, 2022 7:42:00 GMT -5
It’s one of AEW’s bigger flaws. The pacing off some of their stories can be maddeningly slow. And the stories aren’t interesting enough to be stretched out for so long either. It's like they have a beginning, some vague idea of the end, but no idea what the middle is or how to progress the story to said middle And then once that end happens, and it's all "well now what" TK is like "they're the champion now..." Okay, but NOW WHAT?! Which is exactly what happened to Rosa, to Hangman, and what will probably happen to whomever beats Jade. Still astounds me how Ruby wasn't the obvious choice to put the title on. She had the crowd behind her, is a much better in ring talent and you could have still had Jade beat her at some point if you wanted. Khan stuck his foot in his mouth with the black people comment to Swole tho I thought she was going win before that but that sort of sold it on top of Khan wanting to make her look like a megastar so the shortcut of holding the title for a long time is "easiest" path The womens babyface title runs have been very lacking so when Athena or Stat beat Jade eventually, I am sort of afraid of their run not being all that good. His booking weaknesses had been coming to the surface for awhile before that comment, but it was that comment/Swole situation that really took the shine off of him for me. And honestly the more stupid shit he does, or says, or cringe photographs are taken during media scrums, the more I don't think I can look past any of it. He's effectively the reason I can't watch the product with the same enjoyment that I used to. And he continues to do shit that reaffirms how I feel about him as a person, and as a booker.
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Post by clifford on Aug 9, 2022 9:27:26 GMT -5
Since I've been annoyed about this for a while, I just want to show the matches Jade has had since she won the title over 7 months ago... So not only is it that Jade is protected to a degree, she hasn't faced ANYBODY that's even remotely a threat. No Shida, no Toni Storm, no Statlander, no Rosa, no Britt, no Nyla, no Hayter, no Abbadon, no Riho, no Athena (in an actual singles match), no Yuka, no Emi, no traveling Joshis. It has been SEVEN months, and she hasn't faced anybody. This is like if after the undefeated Goldberg won the WCW title in 1998, they had him face Chavo, Kanyon, La Parka, and random jobbers. I don't even think giving her the title was a bad choice as she's improving as a character/on the mic, and I think her matches are pretty good (her matches with TAnna Jay I generally enjoyed more than most Britt matches). But Tony is just SO LAZY when it comes to coming up with creativity for this belt/her feuds and matches. It sucks. Honestly, up to Double or Nothing, I thought Jade and her reign was being booked quite well. She was getting more and more over, better on the mic and in the ring, and winning over more and more people. Since DoN however, it's been cheeks. The all too familiar AEW booking trope of 'we know the start and end of the feud, but need to stretch it out now over x amount of weeks'. I feel like there's been...maybe 4 weeks?...worth of storyline since the end of May. We're almost halfway through August. It's Britt/Rosa all over again, in the sense that yeah, we'll get the satisfying ending we've all been waiting for, but the road getting there has been so convoluted, stop/start, and clunky that no one really comes out of it looking any better. Tony Khan bubba, I am on my KNEES, give up the woman's book to someone capable.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 9, 2022 9:56:11 GMT -5
Throughout this entire feud, Statlander and Athena have not gotten the upper hand on Jade herself once. Not had she ever sold them as any type of real threat to her either.
It ain’t helping make your faces look good.
Roman Reigns sells more than Jade does.
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