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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2022 15:07:25 GMT -5
Athena should win at All Out. I don't know when the next time AEW will be in the DFW region where Athena is from, but the Jade reign's run its course and you shouldn't hold off further delaying it just for a hometown pop. Tony did that once with Rosa and boy do I remember how much FAN hated it, he probably shouldn't gamble with that again. Jade needs to be pinned to show she can be knocked down a peg, she's someone you wanna protect but she can survive losses, and I think it's gotta be Athena to establish her as a big time deal in the division about straight away with Statlander hurt, and go from there. The only other rational decision to me would be if Ruby got past TayJay and then slayed a demon at Grand Slam in Jade, but that'd be pushing it.
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Post by markymark on Aug 14, 2022 15:10:46 GMT -5
Per WOL the original plan was for Statlander to win the belt at the Grand Slam show since she is from Staten Island Sucks. It's a great idea and a good plan for the big hometown pop, just... injuries happen I think Athena needs to win now, either that or you need to build someone else up for the Grand Slam show. Maybe Statlander sponsors someone to help them with the crowd? I think Jade's reign has to end in that window regardless.
If you check Jades twitter, it looked like there is an early foreshadowing of the Baddies imploding (probably the moment Jade loses the TBS title).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2022 16:10:15 GMT -5
Sucks. It's a great idea and a good plan for the big hometown pop, just... injuries happen I think Athena needs to win now, either that or you need to build someone else up for the Grand Slam show. Maybe Statlander sponsors someone to help them with the crowd? I think Jade's reign has to end in that window regardless.
If you check Jades twitter, it looked like there is an early foreshadowing of the Baddies imploding (probably the moment Jade loses the TBS title).
It'd be interesting to see if she'd feud with Velvet and Hogan, some of Jade's best matches have been with Velvet.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 14, 2022 16:26:06 GMT -5
Per WOL the original plan was for Statlander to win the belt at the Grand Slam show since she is from Staten Island Tony has these nice ideas in theory (challenger wins for a hometown pop), but sometimes you just need to strike when the iron is hot and just do it instead of waiting.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 14, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
Per WOL the original plan was for Statlander to win the belt at the Grand Slam show since she is from Staten Island Tony has these nice ideas in theory (challenger wins for a hometown pop), but sometimes you just need to strike when the iron is hot and just do it instead of waiting. That he's waited too long holding out for that hometown pop with both women's belts now points to a bigger issue, which is that he doesn't really have anything cool for these women to do in their hometowns aside from winning a belt.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 14, 2022 16:36:16 GMT -5
Yeah the problem is they these feuds just aren’t interesting enough to be stretched out for that long.
It’s not like he had Statlander doing other cool stuff in the meantime. She was just going through the motions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2022 17:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah the problem is they these feuds just aren’t interesting enough to be stretched out for that long. It’s not like he had Statlander doing other cool stuff in the meantime. She was just going through the motions. Getting wins to stay hot isn't a bad idea, but I think what really destroyed their build was Velvet getting hurt. I like Leila Gray but it really hurt The Baddies whole aura. It's just time to say "F*** it", it's a shame, because this was going to be a storyline that featured like six good women's wrestlers, but you just gotta head to the next thing sometimes.
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Post by markymark on Aug 20, 2022 13:03:45 GMT -5
So the whole Kris going to the Womens title seemed to be a red herring and she was clearly going to beat Jade, and I hope TK doesnt still have Jade go over Athena and keep the title until next year, last night again Jade had the upperhand...
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Post by champchumpchange on Aug 20, 2022 13:13:04 GMT -5
Athena is a dork.
I really really really hope she doesn’t win.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 20, 2022 13:26:13 GMT -5
This is the problem with so much stuff moving at a snail's pace and big gaps in between PPVs. That match when Ruby got booed out the building because Stat was so over was 3 months ago. That wave of popularity should have been capitalized on at the time but instead she was cooled down and mostly on the Youtube shows. In those 3 months she had two Rampage matches and not a single one on Dynamite.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Aug 20, 2022 13:34:49 GMT -5
I understand the appeal of Jade and how she’s seen as a megastar, but I’ve honestly been over her since she won the title. Everyone knew what was gonna happen which meant that it was tougher to be invested, and since then her reign has shown why those fears were founded. Seven matches, one of which was a tag match, and none against truly credible opponents.
Also, smashing the wings and licking the sledgehammer? Come on. That was kinda cringe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 13:40:30 GMT -5
I understand the appeal of Jade and how she’s seen as a megastar, but I’ve honestly been over her since she won the title. Everyone knew what was gonna happen which meant that it was tougher to be invested, and since then her reign has shown why those fears were founded. Seven matches, one of which was a tag match, and none against truly credible opponents. Also, smashing the wings and licking the sledgehammer? Come on. That was kinda cringe. Such a catch 22 situation...Too green to put here in with someone who can't carry her and will completely expose her...Can't lose the title without losing the streak as well. This is the root of the issue with the Goldberg push out of the gate especially when you include the belt too...Everything in her radius is just held up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 13:41:12 GMT -5
I'm a big Jade fan. I think she has one of the best looks in all of wrestling. But even I'm getting sick of the reign and I want Athena to end it (since Kris, unfortunately, can't)
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Aug 20, 2022 13:43:52 GMT -5
I understand the appeal of Jade and how she’s seen as a megastar, but I’ve honestly been over her since she won the title. Everyone knew what was gonna happen which meant that it was tougher to be invested, and since then her reign has shown why those fears were founded. Seven matches, one of which was a tag match, and none against truly credible opponents. Also, smashing the wings and licking the sledgehammer? Come on. That was kinda cringe. Such a catch 22 situation...Too green to put here in with someone who can't carry her and will completely expose her...Can't lose the title without losing the streak as well. This is the root of the issue with the Goldberg push out of the gate especially when you include the belt too...Everything in her radius is just held up You gotta give WCW credit, they held off for a while on giving Goldberg the title during his streak. And both times he won titles during, the reaction was a monster pop and made the champ look credible. Now, how much you want to attribute that to the popularity of wrestling over Goldberg being over is up to you, but the point does stand. They knew not to give him a belt so early on, and that made it better when he did.
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Post by chrom on Aug 20, 2022 13:48:42 GMT -5
If Athena doesn't win, she'll become just another person on the roster
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 13:53:29 GMT -5
Such a catch 22 situation...Too green to put here in with someone who can't carry her and will completely expose her...Can't lose the title without losing the streak as well. This is the root of the issue with the Goldberg push out of the gate especially when you include the belt too...Everything in her radius is just held up You gotta give WCW credit, they held off for a while on giving Goldberg the title during his streak. And both times he won titles during, the reaction was a monster pop and made the champ look credible. Now, how much you want to attribute that to the popularity of wrestling over Goldberg being over is up to you, but the point does stand. They knew not to give him a belt so early on, and that made it better when he did. yeah and i think that is the crux of my issue with her...She needed the Wardlow build not The Giant (entered and won the title) basically
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 20, 2022 14:20:54 GMT -5
I'm a big Jade fan. I think she has one of the best looks in all of wrestling. But even I'm getting sick of the reign and I want Athena to end it (since Kris, unfortunately, can't) That’s just how it goes with lengthy heel title reigns. They have to end eventually, because nobody wants to see the bad guys/girls dominate for too long.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 20, 2022 14:27:16 GMT -5
If Athena doesn't win, she'll become just another person on the roster I'd argue she already is. They don't even really put up much of a pretense that she's important. Sometimes she's on TV, sometimes she's not, and even when she is she's just there.
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Post by ghost on Aug 20, 2022 14:45:41 GMT -5
How long is Statlander out? I think Stat beating Jade is the way to go and a much better story, but obviously if she’s out for a year then they would have to pivot.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 20, 2022 14:59:41 GMT -5
How long is Statlander out? I think Stat beating Jade is the way to go and a much better story, but obviously if she’s out for a year then they would have to pivot. Statlander said she hopes to be back in 6 months, but was told by doctors between that and 8. I'd rather she not rush back to the ring though, so 8 months might be a better idea for her career longevity due to how serious ACL tears are.
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