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Post by CubsFan71 on Aug 11, 2022 1:51:45 GMT -5
Now that Triple H is head of creative, do you think he’ll make the IC and US belts mean something again? Is it too late? What day you?
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Post by msc on Aug 11, 2022 4:57:23 GMT -5
I refer you to the US belts treatment on Raw since. Tournament to determine top contender, multiple vignettes of legends talking up how the us title made them, and a twenty minute title match which was very good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 14:18:56 GMT -5
One thing I really loved about black and gold NXT on USA was how he'd have all of the titles defended in the main event, even the Cruiserweight.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 11, 2022 14:43:44 GMT -5
I hope HHH mandates that all belts immediately be stripped of fxxxing Velcro.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 14:49:36 GMT -5
I hope HHH mandates that all belts immediately be stripped of fxxxing Velcro. I hope they all get new designs, too. Except maybe the US, which I don't love but is fine. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 11, 2022 14:53:18 GMT -5
I hope HHH mandates that all belts immediately be stripped of fxxxing Velcro. I hope they all get new designs, too. Except maybe the US, which I don't love but is fine. US has grown on me so much. Maybe because the others are terrible, but it actually looks heavy and important and not like a cheaply made toy. The lettering still sucks, though. Current IC desperately needs to go. |
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Post by fw91 on Aug 11, 2022 15:23:49 GMT -5
in my honest opinion, the way to start is to put one of them on The Miz.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 11, 2022 15:38:07 GMT -5
Mid card belts never made any sense to me.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 11, 2022 15:40:16 GMT -5
Mid card belts never made any sense to me. You need something for people not in the world title picture to do. You also need a way to shine up a future world title contender/champion. A good run with a mid-card belt will do that. |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 11, 2022 15:59:15 GMT -5
Mid card belts never made any sense to me. You need something for people not in the world title picture to do. You also need a way to shine up a future world title contender/champion. A good run with a mid-card belt will do that. I mean in kayfabe. In terms of the show yeah you need things for people to do and a title is an easy way to start a feud but what do they actually represent? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 16:18:54 GMT -5
You need something for people not in the world title picture to do. You also need a way to shine up a future world title contender/champion. A good run with a mid-card belt will do that. I mean in kayfabe. In terms of the show yeah you need things for people to do and a title is an easy way to start a feud but what do they actually represent? It always works best when there is a specific thing about the title that sets it apart from the main championship. People used to look at the IC title as the workhorse title which gave it it's own prestige over the heavyweight championship. The reason Cena's run with the US title worked wasn't just because he's Cena but because he defended it weekly in awesome matches that made the title seem important. The second tier championship should almost always be some sort of TV championship that is defended often in my mind. At the very least it needs something to set it apart. That's why I don't think the 24/7 title is the worst idea, but the execution and length it has lasted has definitely not done it any favours. |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 11, 2022 17:19:48 GMT -5
I mean in kayfabe. In terms of the show yeah you need things for people to do and a title is an easy way to start a feud but what do they actually represent? It always works best when there is a specific thing about the title that sets it apart from the main championship. People used to look at the IC title as the workhorse title which gave it it's own prestige over the heavyweight championship. The reason Cena's run with the US title worked wasn't just because he's Cena but because he defended it weekly in awesome matches that made the title seem important. The second tier championship should almost always be some sort of TV championship that is defended often in my mind. At the very least it needs something to set it apart. That's why I don't think the 24/7 title is the worst idea, but the execution and length it has lasted has definitely not done it any favours. I know but I hate the way a "work rate"title is presented cause that in kayfabe is meaningless. At least pay lip servce to say it's a title where you defend more thus making around the value of the world title maybe not per defense but in total. An age thing or if you make 10 defenses you get a heavyweight title shot. Something to explain it cause prestige means nothing's because it's not like anyone is separated between the US IC and the big titles |
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 11, 2022 18:10:02 GMT -5
You need something for people not in the world title picture to do. You also need a way to shine up a future world title contender/champion. A good run with a mid-card belt will do that. I mean in kayfabe. In terms of the show yeah you need things for people to do and a title is an easy way to start a feud but what do they actually represent? Well, back when they started, they would represent localization. The Intercontinental title was for just North and South America, while the World Title was for everywhere. That has long since changed, yes, but that's how the kayfabe start was. |
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 11, 2022 18:10:15 GMT -5
It always works best when there is a specific thing about the title that sets it apart from the main championship. People used to look at the IC title as the workhorse title which gave it it's own prestige over the heavyweight championship. The reason Cena's run with the US title worked wasn't just because he's Cena but because he defended it weekly in awesome matches that made the title seem important. The second tier championship should almost always be some sort of TV championship that is defended often in my mind. At the very least it needs something to set it apart. That's why I don't think the 24/7 title is the worst idea, but the execution and length it has lasted has definitely not done it any favours. I know but I hate the way a "work rate"title is presented cause that in kayfabe is meaningless. At least pay lip servce to say it's a title where you defend more thus making around the value of the world title maybe not per defense but in total. An age thing or if you make 10 defenses you get a heavyweight title shot. Something to explain it cause prestige means nothing's because it's not like anyone is separated between the US IC and the big titles You're over thinking it. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 11, 2022 19:21:32 GMT -5
It always works best when there is a specific thing about the title that sets it apart from the main championship. People used to look at the IC title as the workhorse title which gave it it's own prestige over the heavyweight championship. The reason Cena's run with the US title worked wasn't just because he's Cena but because he defended it weekly in awesome matches that made the title seem important. The second tier championship should almost always be some sort of TV championship that is defended often in my mind. At the very least it needs something to set it apart. That's why I don't think the 24/7 title is the worst idea, but the execution and length it has lasted has definitely not done it any favours. I know but I hate the way a "work rate"title is presented cause that in kayfabe is meaningless. At least pay lip servce to say it's a title where you defend more thus making around the value of the world title maybe not per defense but in total. An age thing or if you make 10 defenses you get a heavyweight title shot. Something to explain it cause prestige means nothing's because it's not like anyone is separated between the US IC and the big titles In kayfabe, I think the way you present it is "this belt isn't as prestigious, sure, but the champion still sees a noticeable increase in his/her pay after matches: winning this belt increases your bookings, increases what you cost to the promoter, etc." So you don't make as much as the World champ, but you still see an increase in your pay and prestige. That said, yeah, I agree most midcard belts need an even more solid foundation to work off of in kayfabe, whether it's to serve as a weight class belt (junior-heavyweight, cruiser, etc.), an age-group title (some promotions do "25 and under" belts), a specific fighting style (pure wrestling, hardcore, etc.), or as "we have this belt defending more regularly and/or on TV so we don't have to over-expose the World title" (TV titles, etc.). What hurt the IC and US belts were that they lost their purposes early on: the US title was meant to make someone the de facto #1 contender to the World title for awhile, but that faded away, while the IC belt was meant to be given to whomever the WWF entrusted with headlining "B card" house shows, a good way to test if someone would be ready for a bigger stage in the near future. Once those things were phased out, nothing was really created to maintain their significance within kayfabe...and especially with WWE having two top belts, one of which will always be treated as inferior to the other, the problem gets magnified. |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 11, 2022 20:28:00 GMT -5
I know but I hate the way a "work rate"title is presented cause that in kayfabe is meaningless. At least pay lip servce to say it's a title where you defend more thus making around the value of the world title maybe not per defense but in total. An age thing or if you make 10 defenses you get a heavyweight title shot. Something to explain it cause prestige means nothing's because it's not like anyone is separated between the US IC and the big titles You're over thinking it. Am I? Cause I was like 6 and said why and still have that thought |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 11, 2022 20:31:13 GMT -5
Wake me up when there's a cupholder on one of the belts, till then I'm not impressed.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 11, 2022 20:44:21 GMT -5
I hope they all get new designs, too. Except maybe the US, which I don't love but is fine. US has grown on me so much. Maybe because the others are terrible, but it actually looks heavy and important and not like a cheaply made toy. The lettering still sucks, though. Current IC desperately needs to go.  Bring it back! |
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2022 21:01:56 GMT -5
US has grown on me so much. Maybe because the others are terrible, but it actually looks heavy and important and not like a cheaply made toy. The lettering still sucks, though. Current IC desperately needs to go. Bring it back! I am usually not this guy about title belts, like I am cool with letting the past be the past, but this is just so much more visually appealing to me than the flat look of the current one. I also feel like it doesn't look as "dated" as a lot of title belts that have been retired have looked. Ah well. As for if they can go back to prominence, sure. Midcard titles have always tended to fluctuate, and a string of good reigns or a string of boring ones can really set the tone one way or another. Hotshotting isn't great, but you also don't want stagnation, so sometimes, a 2 month reign can do a title belt some real good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 10:28:21 GMT -5
It always works best when there is a specific thing about the title that sets it apart from the main championship. People used to look at the IC title as the workhorse title which gave it it's own prestige over the heavyweight championship. The reason Cena's run with the US title worked wasn't just because he's Cena but because he defended it weekly in awesome matches that made the title seem important. The second tier championship should almost always be some sort of TV championship that is defended often in my mind. At the very least it needs something to set it apart. That's why I don't think the 24/7 title is the worst idea, but the execution and length it has lasted has definitely not done it any favours. I know but I hate the way a "work rate"title is presented cause that in kayfabe is meaningless. At least pay lip servce to say it's a title where you defend more thus making around the value of the world title maybe not per defense but in total. An age thing or if you make 10 defenses you get a heavyweight title shot. Something to explain it cause prestige means nothing's because it's not like anyone is separated between the US IC and the big titles Eh, I dunno. I fail to see how a work rate title is meaningless in kayfabe. The idea of being the workhorse of the whole company who works longer, harder, and more often than anyone else while still taking on whoever steps up is a fine story and one of the better ones of Cena's career when he held the US title, or Cody's career when he held the TNT championship. I recall people praising Ambrose years back because he was the workhorse of the company who had more matches than anyone else year after year. You just need a distinction for the titles. Right now the TNT title can't be the workhorse championship because Moxley is doing that with the interim title but with the way Reigns is booked you could easily do that with either of the midcard championships in WWE. Would you rather be the type of wrestler who proves every week that they're the best taking on all comers regardless of prep time, or would you rather be the champ who defends it monthly with knowledge of who they're going to face ahead of time. These things can work, but when one is just for midcarders and one for main eventers then it can definitely be an issue especially when people look at it like a demotion. |
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