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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 11, 2022 15:14:01 GMT -5
It's only a good thing for the industry if those in charge of WWE realize you can compete with another rival promotion while also coexisting and not trying to drive them out of business. And the best way to compete is to put on a good product instead of focusing on crushing your rival at everything else's expense. Just goes to show how much of a cancer Vince McMahon was on wrestling recently. I don't think we'll see any WWE vs AEW supercards but I hope things can be cordial between Tony Khan and Stephanie McMahon and Triple H. The NXT expansionism definitely does give me pause for the hope that the new regime will be that open to competition since I'm sure Vince didn't care about trying to smother the UK scene with a pillow, but only time will tell.
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Post by thegame415 on Aug 11, 2022 17:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 11, 2022 19:27:24 GMT -5
It's only a good thing for the industry if those in charge of WWE realize you can compete with another rival promotion while also coexisting and not trying to drive them out of business. And the best way to compete is to put on a good product instead of focusing on crushing your rival at everything else's expense. Just goes to show how much of a cancer Vince McMahon was on wrestling recently. I don't think we'll see any WWE vs AEW supercards but I hope things can be cordial between Tony Khan and Stephanie McMahon and Triple H. The NXT expansionism definitely does give me pause for the hope that the new regime will be that open to competition since I'm sure Vince didn't care about trying to smother the UK scene with a pillow, but only time will tell. That's honestly where my worst fears still are; Triple H made himself the face of the "global NXT" concept, Nick Khan has spoken about wanting into Japan (though maybe he's just talking about getting a new regular TV deal since they lost it recently), and I just never, ever want to see what happened to the UK scene happen to other places. ...yes, I know, the UK scene did plenty of damage to itself given everything that came out a couple of years ago, but you get my point.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 11, 2022 19:32:21 GMT -5
When even your competition is showing hope about your company's future you know this whole change is all for the positive. Vince was dragging the industry down as a whole. Also do we have any confirmation of HHH or Tony ever stating they've spoken to eachother? I'm curious if they have any sort of professional relationship we can hope for some day. Closest we ever got to an acknowledge of Khan a few years ago.
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Post by Ozman on Aug 11, 2022 21:23:43 GMT -5
Wrestling as a whole should be fun going forward.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 11, 2022 22:30:05 GMT -5
When even your competition is showing hope about your company's future you know this whole change is all for the positive. Vince was dragging the industry down as a whole. Also do we have any confirmation of HHH or Tony ever stating they've spoken to eachother? I'm curious if they have any sort of professional relationship we can hope for some day. Closest we ever got to an acknowledge of Khan a few years ago. Can't believe WWE was so petty they didn't mention AEW in talking about him. Yeah, this tweet is from four years before AEW existed, that's no excuse.
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Post by Burst on Aug 13, 2022 13:50:46 GMT -5
I'd actually rather not ever see a direct Capcom vs SNK style supercard, if only for how absolutely, ridiculously insufferable the online discourse before, during, and after would be, and frankly neither promotion needs it.
What I'd definitely be down for, though, would be factions crossing promotion lines for realsies without having to rename things, or just occasional things like say Cody showing up for a TNT championship open challenge, or Swerve popping back in to support Hit Row at a big match or just things like that.
Really, anything to slowly tear down the wall that Vince had built around WWE and the rest of wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 15:56:23 GMT -5
I think eventually merging WWE and AEW IP, in order to make merch or video games with both rosters together, has little downside even if both companies never interact with each other on TV. As long as you have the right lawyers it needn't be permanent just use it to print money for a bit before it expires.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 13, 2022 22:56:47 GMT -5
They are
I didn't really know where to put this but since I've been off for a bit, I feel like I have to say as one of WWE's bigger critics here, RAW and Smackdown have been so much more enjoyable with Vince out, I think this will only continue to improve if the likes of Dunn and his cliche's are also eliminated, hopefully.
RAW's been better, Smackdown still needs more depth and a roster shakeup, and last weeks show still had some pacing issues, but things are better, the verbiage on TV especially, how commentary sounds and acts, how promos sound and act, how the promos are show and backstage stuff being more frantic, and matches not being constant regurgitations of rematches we've seen for months, and even the in ring stuff feels like it has a better pacing
The returns have been refreshing, is in some cases like Kross, a bit forced in favoritism, but I'm willing to see where it goes. This is as optimistic I've been about WWE since like... 2012-2013. It's good for wrestling, that's all there is to it.
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Post by clifford on Aug 14, 2022 3:40:51 GMT -5
Vince getting shitcanned should do away with a lot of the 'us vs them' bullshit mentality so many wrestling fans in 2022 subscribe to. Hopefully more people realise you can enjoy both products when they're good, shit on both products when they mess up, not be villified by one group for enjoying the other, and not be hoping the group you follow puts the other one out of business. All that crap was borne out of the Monday Night Wars mentality that Vince peddled for two decades.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 14, 2022 6:48:08 GMT -5
The NXT expansionism definitely does give me pause for the hope that the new regime will be that open to competition since I'm sure Vince didn't care about trying to smother the UK scene with a pillow, but only time will tell. That's honestly where my worst fears still are; Triple H made himself the face of the "global NXT" concept, Nick Khan has spoken about wanting into Japan (though maybe he's just talking about getting a new regular TV deal since they lost it recently), and I just never, ever want to see what happened to the UK scene happen to other places. ...yes, I know, the UK scene did plenty of damage to itself given everything that came out a couple of years ago, but you get my point. I don't know that NXT Japan is impossible, exactly, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. They jumped the gun on NXT UK due to World of Sport and other factors, and it blew up in their faces. They also soured a lot of Japanese promotions on them with the pandemic mass firings, and that's after they had already cost themselves buying STARDOM due to really misunderstanding what assurances Japanese companies wanted from them. Didn't they also miss out on buying AJPW for similar reasons? Either way, they need to do more homework, and that's even without factoring the pandemic into things. Additionally, I know there is also just a good deal of wariness. Minoru Suzuki spoke of WWE's homogenizing influence on wrestling, and that he feels Japan and Mexico are the only places left with an identity, a unique wrestling culture of their own, and that NXT coming there would endanger that. I doubt he's alone in feeling that way. I know Triple H is in charge and clearly doing things his own way, but unless they're doing a complete 180 in their corporate goals, I also think opening such a venture would ramp WWE's operation costs up tremendously, and that's something WWE has been trying to avoid. I don't see an NXT Japan turning a profit quickly, especially with NJPW, DDT, AJPW, and NOAH, along with smaller promotions, all operating at the same time as one another, and that's just on the male side. Never say never with wrestling, but it just isn't something they could rationally try right now. NXT Mexico or Canada or something would be a whole lot safer, particularly depending on what their expectations of it are.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 14, 2022 11:51:25 GMT -5
Vince getting shitcanned should do away with a lot of the 'us vs them' bullshit mentality so many wrestling fans in 2022 subscribe to. Hopefully more people realise you can enjoy both products when they're good, shit on both products when they mess up, not be villified by one group for enjoying the other, and not be hoping the group you follow puts the other one out of business. All that crap was borne out of the Monday Night Wars mentality that Vince peddled for two decades. That is not even really a Vince thing, that's just wrestling. That is not going to go away because people will always have their own personal bias or Homer mentality
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 14, 2022 12:07:40 GMT -5
That's fandom. Don't need a promoter like Vince, Eric, or Tony to start that tribalism fire. Humans are inherently tribal and cliquey, nerdy humans especially. WWE vs AEW, WWF vs WCW, Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft, Apple vs PC, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 12:25:18 GMT -5
I agree with him. While the dorks on Twitter play the "Us vs. Them" game, I'm just going to enjoy both companies being good. To say that Khan hasn't pushed that narrative along himself is preposterous though. I hope this is the road we settle in to
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 12:27:22 GMT -5
Orton would be another exchange close to the cusp of HHH but nothing public that I am aware of
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 14, 2022 12:31:20 GMT -5
Vince getting shitcanned should do away with a lot of the 'us vs them' bullshit mentality so many wrestling fans in 2022 subscribe to. Hopefully more people realise you can enjoy both products when they're good, shit on both products when they mess up, not be villified by one group for enjoying the other, and not be hoping the group you follow puts the other one out of business. All that crap was borne out of the Monday Night Wars mentality that Vince peddled for two decades. That is not even really a Vince thing, that's just wrestling. That is not going to go away because people will always have their own personal bias or Homer mentality It won't go away, but it _might_ ramp down in intensity now. People who found Vince personally abhorrent for various and sundry reasons may be less emotionally invested in the tribalism now that the entire WWE doesn't have to go down in order to get rid of him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 14, 2022 12:59:35 GMT -5
That is not even really a Vince thing, that's just wrestling. That is not going to go away because people will always have their own personal bias or Homer mentality It won't go away, but it _might_ ramp down in intensity now.People who found Vince personally abhorrent for various and sundry reasons may be less emotionally invested in the tribalism now that the entire WWE doesn't have to go down in order to get rid of him. That sounds good in theory until HHH or TK make a snide remark or someone from the old guard like Chris Jericho says something stupid and people go crazy over it Peoples problem with Vince goes away but there is still the wrestlers on the field, how they are used, what they say etc that will be dissected and flipped around 100 diff ways to fit whatever argument they want
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 14, 2022 13:34:07 GMT -5
The shows are definitely better. I'm curious where they are a few months from now though. There's a fine line between competent booking and interesting booking. If he can make interesting overarching stories, I'll be a lot more invested. If it's just good matches with perfectly fine booking, it will be totally fine but I just won't care that much.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 14, 2022 14:58:28 GMT -5
With Vince gone, the biggest barrier for me watching WWE programming again is Kevin Dunn's horrendous direction. Good to hear the product is generally better, though. I'll give it a real shot again when/if Dunn is finally gone (and assuming his successor doesn't have a similar "5 gazillion camera cuts per match" philosophy).
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 14, 2022 15:16:51 GMT -5
I'd actually rather not ever see a direct Capcom vs SNK style supercard, if only for how absolutely, ridiculously insufferable the online discourse before, during, and after would be, and frankly neither promotion needs it. It'd be a massive issue behind the scenes as well... like we wouldn't get Mox/Punk vs. Roman since neither side is going to want to have their Champion lose. You are still competition and you wouldn't want your company to look bad so it'd end up with full 50/50 booking. (New Japan and AEW is at least a little different as they are not entirely direct competition, like WWE and AEW are.)
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