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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 22:31:22 GMT -5
Now that was some good shit! Both guys brought the fire, both in their promos and the match itself. It continues to blow my mind that Drew was a heel for as long as he was on the main roster.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 15, 2022 22:45:50 GMT -5
Now that was some good shit! Both guys brought the fire, both in their promos and the match itself. It continues to blow my mind that Drew was a heel for as long as he was on the main roster. I thought he was fine as a heel but him as a face has really been a revelation over the last few years. I mean he has the talent but dude just has everything you want for someone in that role. Coolness, charm, fire, believability. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 23:31:16 GMT -5
Now that was some good shit! Both guys brought the fire, both in their promos and the match itself. It continues to blow my mind that Drew was a heel for as long as he was on the main roster. I thought he was fine as a heel but him as a face has really been a revelation over the last few years. I mean he has the talent but dude just has everything you want for someone in that role. Coolness, charm, fire, believability. When he was a heel I thought he was the most boring guy in the company and couldn't understand what all the old timers praising him saw in him. Then he had that match with No Way Jose ("Didn't even drop the microphone!") and it was like a switch was flipped. It's nice having a face who can go toe to toe with a heel like KO on the mic and doesn't just make stupid jokes. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 16, 2022 0:31:40 GMT -5
I thought he was fine as a heel but him as a face has really been a revelation over the last few years. I mean he has the talent but dude just has everything you want for someone in that role. Coolness, charm, fire, believability. When he was a heel I thought he was the most boring guy in the company and couldn't understand what all the old timers praising him saw in him. Then he had that match with No Way Jose ("Didn't even drop the microphone!") and it was like a switch was flipped. It's nice having a face who can go toe to toe with a heel like KO on the mic and doesn't just make stupid jokes. I guess maybe I didn't mind his heel run when he came back because it was such an upgrade from his previous run. How you feel about his 2018-19 heel run is how I felt about his 2009-10 heel Chosen One skinny Gaston run. At least in his second heel run he looked cool and came off more like a bad ass with the extra mass and more rugged look and would actually do some impressive things here and there. Funny you bring up No Way Jose as my favorite moment from Drew during that run was another incident with him. At the 2019 Royal Rumble when Drew was coming out he crossed paths in the aisle with Jose who was making his way to the back after getting eliminated in near record time and proceeded to just beat the crap out of him and entire conga gang before just casually continuing on his way to the ring. Made him look like such a bad ass. 2009-10 Drew was like the worst. I think only Alberto Del Rio tops him for guys who were pushed and just bored me to tears. They tried to book like a tough guy but it was hard to buy as he was more lanky back then and had a real boyish looking face. Also he was possibly the most boring guy on the roster at the time. Especially in the ring where he pretty much did nothing but punches, kicks, and rest holds and then his admittedly impressive future shock DDT finish. He still had a presence to him at least but other then that I saw nothing in him and couldn't understand at all why they were pushing him so hard. |
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Post by Perd on Aug 16, 2022 0:38:57 GMT -5
Kevin Owens is friggin' great. And when he’s given anything even remotely interesting, is often the best part of the show. And Drew is pretty rad, too.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2022 0:46:20 GMT -5
Drew has been a good face, especially in a company that in recent years has often had serious problems having faces with credibility, something Triple H dearly needs to improve on in his new regime.
Drew was a little too, "This business, guys, this business is a beautiful business which business the wrestling business business" in his NXT promos, which got old pretty quick. When he came to the main roster, I got why they changed him to be a heel, but then he had the problem of being Ziggler, Corbin, and Shane's toadie at various points and not really having much of an identity on his own. I am glad that when he finally went face again, they seemed to have worked out the formula, especially by investing in him and having him get wins of consequence over Brock.
It's really quite shocking: faces beating heels in convincing wins helps them get over. I know, it's the damnedest thing, but it's true!
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 16, 2022 1:02:39 GMT -5
For me, I have a weird takeaway from this besides it being a good match and great promos before.
With the Usos getting involved at the end...I kind of want to have the admittedly often used cliché of "tag partners who have problems with each other" thing with Drew and Owens as build to Clash at the Castle (this does depend of if Drew will beat Roman, admittedly).
Owen said he was putting all champions on notice, so have him and Drew be the ones that take the titles from the Usos, but have the tension still be there between them after Drew wins the top prizes...they eventually lose the tags, and we have a Drew/Owens feud for the top prize for a bit.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2022 2:47:02 GMT -5
For me, I have a weird takeaway from this besides it being a good match and great promos before. With the Usos getting involved at the end...I kind of want to have the admittedly often used cliché of "tag partners who have problems with each other" thing with Drew and Owens as build to Clash at the Castle (this does depend of if Drew will beat Roman, admittedly). Owen said he was putting all champions on notice, so have him and Drew be the ones that take the titles from the Usos, but have the tension still be there between them after Drew wins the top prizes...they eventually lose the tags, and we have a Drew/Owens feud for the top prize for a bit. That honestly would be fun. It also helps in that most of the tag teams right now are either not ready for the Usos, exactly, or have faced them a shitload of times. This would buy the division some valuable time. |
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Post by Killah Ray on Aug 16, 2022 8:03:45 GMT -5
For me, I have a weird takeaway from this besides it being a good match and great promos before. With the Usos getting involved at the end...I kind of want to have the admittedly often used cliché of "tag partners who have problems with each other" thing with Drew and Owens as build to Clash at the Castle (this does depend of if Drew will beat Roman, admittedly). Owen said he was putting all champions on notice, so have him and Drew be the ones that take the titles from the Usos, but have the tension still be there between them after Drew wins the top prizes...they eventually lose the tags, and we have a Drew/Owens feud for the top prize for a bit. I think it's more logical that the Bloodline beat the hell outta Sami to send a message to KO and set them up to dethrone the Usos which gives KO something to do while biding his time to go for the world title by Survivor Series... |
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 16, 2022 8:21:39 GMT -5
For me, I have a weird takeaway from this besides it being a good match and great promos before. With the Usos getting involved at the end...I kind of want to have the admittedly often used cliché of "tag partners who have problems with each other" thing with Drew and Owens as build to Clash at the Castle (this does depend of if Drew will beat Roman, admittedly). Owen said he was putting all champions on notice, so have him and Drew be the ones that take the titles from the Usos, but have the tension still be there between them after Drew wins the top prizes...they eventually lose the tags, and we have a Drew/Owens feud for the top prize for a bit. I think it's more logical that the Bloodline beat the hell outta Sami to send a message to KO and set them up to dethrone the Usos which gives KO something to do while biding his time to go for the world title by Survivor Series... I'd be fine with that too, but that might at least short term make K.O. a face and that'd be odd coming right off of putting Ezekiel on the shelf like he did. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 16, 2022 9:06:12 GMT -5
Drew was a little too, "This business, guys, this business is a beautiful business which business the wrestling business business" in his NXT promos, which got old pretty quick He did those a lot on the indies and in TNA during his rebuild period, and that kind of 'hype up the crowd of this small town you're in and praise the fans for being the heart of the business or whatever" kind of promo works super well on the indies where you can hit some local pride in a vacuum and nobody sees you again the next week, but it absolutely got lost in translation when you're on television every week or two cutting a promo going on and on about driving from town to town for no money just to be in front of the crowd and give your life to this business. I think he even kept on the 'this business' a tiny bit as a heel on the main roster, too? It was a while for him to get out of that zone. |
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Aug 16, 2022 10:33:27 GMT -5
I think it's more logical that the Bloodline beat the hell outta Sami to send a message to KO and set them up to dethrone the Usos which gives KO something to do while biding his time to go for the world title by Survivor Series... I'd be fine with that too, but that might at least short term make K.O. a face and that'd be odd coming right off of putting Ezekiel on the shelf like he did. I pretty much see KO as a tweener right now |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 16, 2022 10:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Aug 16, 2022 10:41:07 GMT -5
it felt like peak like a peak Attitude Era main event match to me
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 16, 2022 10:44:32 GMT -5
That promo segment and then match was just fire all-around, and the non-finish worked here. They even let the face stand tall at the end of the segment.
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Post by schma on Aug 16, 2022 12:16:05 GMT -5
I only got to see the highlight clips but what I saw was good. It's hard to believe Owens has been that long without a belt. Either way, I liked the intensity. With Owens, I did like his prizefighter persona, so it's nice to see him bring some of that back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 12:49:59 GMT -5
Now that was some good shit! Both guys brought the fire, both in their promos and the match itself. It continues to blow my mind that Drew was a heel for as long as he was on the main roster. Blows my mind how boring Drew was under Vince...It was a slog getting through covid and without the Thunderdome aesthetic i likely would have given up on WWE altogether...This...This was freakin awesome and I look forward to Drew Galloway taking over what Drew McEntyre was |
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Post by BlahBlah on Aug 16, 2022 14:01:19 GMT -5
Promo exchange was incredible
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 15:01:46 GMT -5
McIntyre ever being a heel was a damn crime.
One of the very few who are better as faces. Along with Ryback and Bryan.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 16, 2022 16:26:47 GMT -5
Most of the top superstars I think are 50-50 great at being either face or heel at a given time, but Drew as a badass face has been way ahead of what WWE’s presented post Cena and even post-Big Dog Roman in terms of cred and presence. I don’t mind the stuff with Angela, because I think the audience buys he’s not some sick i and he’s trying to intimidate the heels, it’s not overboard like Roman and the truck. The sword is Drew’s Duggan 2x4. McIntyre ever being a heel was a damn crime. One of the very few who are better as faces. Along with Ryback and Bryan. I wouldn’t say it’s “very few”, there’s been tons of wrestlers throughout the years better as faces like Steamboat, Bret (yeah his 97 run was great, but he was still face outside of the US), the aforementioned Duggan, Becky Lynch, the New Day, etc… |
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