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Post by SirLucas on Aug 21, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5
He came in as the Mexican aristocrat. He's was the Hispanic version of the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase. Then all of a sudden, he has a change of heart and is fighting for the blue collar migrant workers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 11:47:56 GMT -5
He should've embraced his Mexican heritage and put the luchador mask on.
A Mexican version of The Patriot could've been a good World Champion.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 21, 2022 11:48:00 GMT -5
He came in as the Mexican aristocrat. He's was the Hispanic version of the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase. Then all of a sudden, he has a change of heart and is fighting for the blue collar migrant workers. It was cursed due to a bad start running over Santa.
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Post by dav on Aug 21, 2022 12:01:44 GMT -5
He came in as the Mexican aristocrat. He's was the Hispanic version of the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase. Then all of a sudden, he has a change of heart and is fighting for the blue collar migrant workers. It was cursed due to a bad start running over Santa. Yeah, that choice was rather baffling. Hilarious and fantastic, but baffling.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 13:45:18 GMT -5
It did for me
The crowd loved him as a babyface and credit to ADR for having a ton of babyface fire and making it work. The turning him face then running over Santa and turning him back again was not ideal but it worked.
What didn't work was making him a pandering babyface which is what killed the turn
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Post by ayumidah on Aug 21, 2022 13:46:40 GMT -5
his friendship with Ricardo was the most endearing part of it. But all in all, between everything with Swagger disrupting it all and booking being odd, yeah. It was kinda awkward at times.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 14:26:43 GMT -5
If anything I thought it breathed new life into him as his heel run had run it's course. Turning him back heel so quick was a mistake. They wanted to turn Ziggler face after the pop he got cashing in MITB on him which while I get I don't think they had to turn Del Rio back heel at the same time either.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 15:10:49 GMT -5
If anything I thought it breathed new life into him as his heel run had run it's course. Turning him back heel so quick was a mistake. They wanted to turn Ziggler face after the pop he got cashing in MITB on him which while I get I don't think they had to turn Del Rio back heel at the same time either. Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2022 15:13:12 GMT -5
If anything I thought it breathed new life into him as his heel run had run it's course. Turning him back heel so quick was a mistake. They wanted to turn Ziggler face after the pop he got cashing in MITB on him which while I get I don't think they had to turn Del Rio back heel at the same time either. Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good Busted with weed, yup.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 21, 2022 15:15:20 GMT -5
THE MEXICAN BUCKET RUN
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 15:15:38 GMT -5
Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good Busted with weed, yup. Dumbass decisions on his part since the gimmick was controversial but over That decision followed him the rest of his WWE run as him and Cesaro was great as a team and he should got a good babyface run when he stepped up against Rusev
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 21, 2022 15:19:17 GMT -5
Dumbass decisions on his part since the gimmick was controversial but over That decision followed him the rest of his WWE run as him and Cesaro was great as a team and he should got a good babyface run when he stepped up against Rusev There was that absolutely baffling segment when Zeb started managing Alberto and Swagger was like “Zeb, what’s happened to you, bro? You used to hate Mexicans! I miss the old Zeb!” And Swagger was the face!
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 15:22:14 GMT -5
If anything I thought it breathed new life into him as his heel run had run it's course. Turning him back heel so quick was a mistake. They wanted to turn Ziggler face after the pop he got cashing in MITB on him which while I get I don't think they had to turn Del Rio back heel at the same time either. Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good At the same time though he was even more cooked as a heel. Like at least as a face even if the crowd reactions weren't there everywhere there was still fresh things you can do with him creatively. As a heel what else could you do with him once he was done with Dolph? He had wrestled Cena countless. He had wrestled Orton countless times. He wrestled Sheamus countless times. Even him against the midcard type faces like Kofi had been done to death as they would constantly have them beat those guys to fatten him up before they fed him to the three top faces I mentioned before on the PPV. Also as far as him and Swagger goes weren't the reactions depending on where they were? Like out West and out East they would be for Del Rio but then down South or Midwest they would be more for Swagger. Which actually could've been a cool dynamic if not for Swagger screwing it up by being an idiot.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 15:22:44 GMT -5
Dumbass decisions on his part since the gimmick was controversial but over That decision followed him the rest of his WWE run as him and Cesaro was great as a team and he should got a good babyface run when he stepped up against Rusev There was that absolutely baffling segment when Zeb started managing Alberto and Swagger was like “Zeb, what’s happened to you, bro? You used to hate Mexicans! I miss the old Zeb!” And Swagger was the face! That pairing made no sense whatsoever and got dropped like a bad habit Sucked that Cena really good U.S. title run ended on that and Del Rio proceeded to have a bummy reign and show none of the fire he had on the indies after he got fired
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 15:25:39 GMT -5
Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good At the same time though he was even more cooked as a heel. Like at least as a face even if the crowd reactions weren't there everywhere there was still fresh things you can do with him creatively. As a heel what else could you do with him once he was done with Dolph? He had wrestled Cena countless. He had wrestled Orton countless times. He wrestled Sheamus countless times. Even him against the midcard type faces like Kofi had been done to death as they would constantly have them beat those guys to fatten him up before they fed him to the three top faces I mentioned before on the PPV. Also as far as him and Swagger goes weren't the reactions depending on where they were? Like out West and out East they would be for Del Rio but then down South or Midwest they would be more for Swagger. Which actually could've been a cool dynamic if not for Swagger screwing it up by being an idiot. I mean, the heel turn worked as far as crowd reaction. Del Rio was more over as a heel now, at least initially and the people wanted to see babyface Dolph but what should been the vehicle to solidify Dolph did not happen. Doing the double turn was the best move, Del Rio should just been an upper card heel but they kept the title on him and then Dolph floundered until The Miz feud made him a big loser and forced him back heel
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 15:26:13 GMT -5
Dumbass decisions on his part since the gimmick was controversial but over That decision followed him the rest of his WWE run as him and Cesaro was great as a team and he should got a good babyface run when he stepped up against Rusev Pretty much. Him and Cesaro definitely should've won the belts but didn't. He should've at least got one win on Rusev during that feud to set him up at least as a upper midcard face but didn't. And I think that decision was a big part of it. Although who knows if he doesn't get busted then the team with Cesaro probably never happens as they would've went all in on him as a singles. Which also would've put Cesaro in a bad spot as the Real Americans run really rejuvinated him and is what got him over as he had really been floundering at that point after his US Title reign had ended.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 15:29:03 GMT -5
Dumbass decisions on his part since the gimmick was controversial but over That decision followed him the rest of his WWE run as him and Cesaro was great as a team and he should got a good babyface run when he stepped up against Rusev Pretty much. Him and Cesaro definitely should've won the belts but didn't. He should've at least got one win on Rusev during that feud to set him up at least as a upper midcard face but didn't. And I think that decision was a big part of it. Although who knows if he doesn't get busted then the team with Cesaro probably never happens as they would've went all in on him as a singles. Which also would've put Cesaro in a bad spot as the Real Americans run really rejuvinated him and is what got him over as he had really been floundering at that point after his US Title reign had ended. If anything, I still think Swagger would probably got a stable of underlings if he won the World title as opposed to getting pushed back down and then doing the team with Cesaro. Cesaro got a run with the tag titles with basically every other team he had except that one and that was probably his best one behind The Bar
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 15:46:15 GMT -5
Pretty much. Him and Cesaro definitely should've won the belts but didn't. He should've at least got one win on Rusev during that feud to set him up at least as a upper midcard face but didn't. And I think that decision was a big part of it. Although who knows if he doesn't get busted then the team with Cesaro probably never happens as they would've went all in on him as a singles. Which also would've put Cesaro in a bad spot as the Real Americans run really rejuvinated him and is what got him over as he had really been floundering at that point after his US Title reign had ended. If anything, I still think Swagger would probably got a stable of underlings if he won the World title as opposed to getting pushed back down and then doing the team with Cesaro. Cesaro got a run with the tag titles with basically every other team he had except that one and that was probably his best one behind The Bar Even though they never won the titles and don't get brought up as much as the Bar and the Tyson Kidd team, the Real Americans were actually my favorite of the Cesaro teams. They were maybe not as good in the ring but were still really good and had good teamwork and I thought the overall package of the team was great with Zeb, the dope entrance song, the cool jackets, the look of the team with both guys being around 6'5". I thought it was a missed opportunity not turning them both faces as I think they could've got over even bigger. Obviously Swagger wasn't as popular but I think they would've liked him well enough as Cesaro's sidekick who plays face in peril to set up the hot tag to Cesaro who kills people with his strongman offense. Instead they couldn't even turn Cesaro face as they kept him heel out of the split and paired him with Heyman in a decision I never understood.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2022 15:49:23 GMT -5
Pretty much. Him and Cesaro definitely should've won the belts but didn't. He should've at least got one win on Rusev during that feud to set him up at least as a upper midcard face but didn't. And I think that decision was a big part of it. Although who knows if he doesn't get busted then the team with Cesaro probably never happens as they would've went all in on him as a singles. Which also would've put Cesaro in a bad spot as the Real Americans run really rejuvinated him and is what got him over as he had really been floundering at that point after his US Title reign had ended. If anything, I still think Swagger would probably got a stable of underlings if he won the World title as opposed to getting pushed back down and then doing the team with Cesaro. Cesaro got a run with the tag titles with basically every other team he had except that one and that was probably his best one behind The Bar I am partial to Cesaro with Kidd, but yeah, the Real Americans should have won the titles at least once. I did get a laugh out of JBL talking about all the languages Cesaro could speak, and that 'Uncle Zeb' was teaching him "A little Dutch." Between sometimes alluding to the Uncle Zebekiah days and the Dutch Mantell reference there, JBL did like alluding to Zeb's past, to the point where I am really not sure if we were meant to take Zebekiah and Zeb Coulter to be the same person. I suppose nothing ever said they weren't, nothing really contradicts anything else.
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 21, 2022 16:00:17 GMT -5
It would have been interesting if he disappeared for a while beforehand and then came back as the masked Dos Caras.
Sorry to say, but Alberto just had one of those faces that made him unlikeable, plus the rich person gimmick, so as a face he would have needed an overhaul.
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