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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 16:01:08 GMT -5
If anything, I still think Swagger would probably got a stable of underlings if he won the World title as opposed to getting pushed back down and then doing the team with Cesaro. Cesaro got a run with the tag titles with basically every other team he had except that one and that was probably his best one behind The Bar I am partial to Cesaro with Kidd, but yeah, the Real Americans should have won the titles at least once. I did get a laugh out of JBL talking about all the languages Cesaro could speak, and that 'Uncle Zeb' was teaching him "A little Dutch." Between sometimes alluding to the Uncle Zebekiah days and the Dutch Mantell reference there, JBL did like alluding to Zeb's past, to the point where I am really not sure if we were meant to take Zebekiah and Zeb Coulter to be the same person. I suppose nothing ever said they weren't, nothing really contradicts anything else. Didn't they refer to him as Zebekiah Colter for his first couple of appearances or am I misremembering that? I do remember his debut being so out of nowhere. Swagger had just come back after being off TV for five months (which I guess in kayfabe was his daddy's Vietnam bud convincing him to go to his compound to get brainwashed) and was just by himself for a few weeks but just with longer hair and a beard but really no hints of the Xenophobic stuff. Then one week he comes for his match on Raw with this old man trailing far behind him who it turns it out was the guy who had a super forgettable run as a manger in the mid 90's. Then he cut a promo afterwards where it became super clear what the direction of the characters was. With him not being there right away though it makes me wonder if they were thinking about someone else for the role or hadn't decided yet before someone decided that he would be a good fit. There's no way they thought Swagger could've got it over on his own. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2022 16:07:57 GMT -5
I am partial to Cesaro with Kidd, but yeah, the Real Americans should have won the titles at least once. I did get a laugh out of JBL talking about all the languages Cesaro could speak, and that 'Uncle Zeb' was teaching him "A little Dutch." Between sometimes alluding to the Uncle Zebekiah days and the Dutch Mantell reference there, JBL did like alluding to Zeb's past, to the point where I am really not sure if we were meant to take Zebekiah and Zeb Coulter to be the same person. I suppose nothing ever said they weren't, nothing really contradicts anything else. Didn't they refer to him as Zebekiah Colter for his first couple of appearances or am I misremembering that? I do remember his debut being so out of nowhere. Swagger had just come back after being off TV for five months (which in kayfabe was his daddy's Vietnam bud convincing him to go to his compound to get brainwashed) and was just by himself for a few weeks but just with longer hair and a beard but really no hints of the Xenophobic stuff. Then one week he comes for his match on Raw with this old man trailing far behind him who it turns it out was the guy who had a super forgettable run as a manger in the mid 90's. Then he cut a promo afterwards where it became super clear what the direction of the characters was. With him not being there right away though it makes me wonder if they were thinking about someone else for the role or hadn't decided yet before someone decided that he would be a good fit. There's no way they thought Swagger could've got it over on his own. From what I remember, it was designed to give Swagger a big push upon his return. Zeb only came a week after he came back and when Swagger came back he demanded to be in the Elimination Chamber match. It was designed to give him a push but because it took off so fast in those few weeks with how controversial it was, it def made WWE put more focus on it and they were going to cash in on the controversy until Swagger bummed his own push A throwaway match in the middle of the card that went 10 mins and then I believe he lost again even quicker the next night on RAW |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 21, 2022 16:24:45 GMT -5
Didn't they refer to him as Zebekiah Colter for his first couple of appearances or am I misremembering that? I do remember his debut being so out of nowhere. Swagger had just come back after being off TV for five months (which in kayfabe was his daddy's Vietnam bud convincing him to go to his compound to get brainwashed) and was just by himself for a few weeks but just with longer hair and a beard but really no hints of the Xenophobic stuff. Then one week he comes for his match on Raw with this old man trailing far behind him who it turns it out was the guy who had a super forgettable run as a manger in the mid 90's. Then he cut a promo afterwards where it became super clear what the direction of the characters was. With him not being there right away though it makes me wonder if they were thinking about someone else for the role or hadn't decided yet before someone decided that he would be a good fit. There's no way they thought Swagger could've got it over on his own. From what I remember, it was designed to give Swagger a big push upon his return. Zeb only came a week after he came back and when Swagger came back he demanded to be in the Elimination Chamber match. It was designed to give him a push but because it took off so fast in those few weeks with how controversial it was, it def made WWE put more focus on it and they were going to cash in on the controversy until Swagger bummed his own push A throwaway match in the middle of the card that went 10 mins and then I believe he lost again even quicker the next night on RAW On top of that he also got a jobber entrance at Mania even though he had a special entrance where he drove to the ring in a jeep. Even after Mania though he was still in the mix probably because the gimmick was getting over as he beat Dolph in a non title match and got a win back on Del Rio too and they were going to do a three way ladder match at Extreme Rules which was a good spot for him as it was a big match and with the stip he wouldn't have to job again. Then he punted Ziggler in the head and concussed him and that was the last straw. As a result the match was changed to him and Del Rio in an I Quit Match which he lost. Then he suffered a minor hand injury that kept him out for a month. In the mean time Zeb started managing Cesaro and then when Swagger came back teamed them up together. However you could tell they had no plans for them as they pretty much did nothing but lose their first couple of months together. Cesaro getting over with the swing and his work being so good led to them gradually being booked better although not to the extent they probably should've. For a team that didn't even last a year and never even got a title reign they were pretty memorable. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 18:35:50 GMT -5
I hate Del Rio, but I thought it was working for a little while... up until the shitty Swagger feud, at least.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Aug 22, 2022 2:31:07 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio was just never the type to be a face! His charisma, look .. looks like a heel. The Promos with him and Swagger/Colter were still a bit entertaining. But the Mania Match was a complett joke and Swagger screwed up so he never got the big win which should have happened. By the moment Ziggler Cashed in on Del Rio he was already not a legit babyface anymore. I liked the way they did the double turn on Payback with Ziggler going from Tweener to Face and Del Rio from "Face" to Heel!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 22, 2022 2:43:48 GMT -5
I think he worked as a face at first but then they gave him Christmas music and a stupid bucket and tried to turn him into Eddie Guerrero.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 22, 2022 2:53:10 GMT -5
I don't think it clicked for anyone.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Aug 22, 2022 5:54:50 GMT -5
Honestly, his face turn is the closest I've ever come to finding him interesting during his time in WWE.
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Post by Kay Faban on Aug 22, 2022 6:47:53 GMT -5
I was a Raw in Houston (huge Hispanic population, especially at a wrestling show) and he was very over.
I’m not sure it translated everywhere though.
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Post by papagiorgio on Aug 22, 2022 8:15:05 GMT -5
About the only thing I ever liked about Del Rio was Ricardo. Del Rio was just too bland.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2022 8:52:19 GMT -5
for me it kinda worked briefly but it seemed like both he and WWE lost interest in it pretty quick.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2022 8:56:26 GMT -5
If anything I thought it breathed new life into him as his heel run had run it's course. Turning him back heel so quick was a mistake. They wanted to turn Ziggler face after the pop he got cashing in MITB on him which while I get I don't think they had to turn Del Rio back heel at the same time either. Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good wasnt the follow up "Del Rio turns heel again and then loses to Sheamus every month for like 5 or 6 months"? |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 22, 2022 9:07:32 GMT -5
Del Rio was cooked as a babyface by the time the Ziggler run came. Swagger was getting cheered over him and he would most likely won the title if not for I think his DWI before Mania or he got busted with Weed, can't remember which The double turn was the correct decision after Dolph was out with the concussion but they didn't follow up with it good wasnt the follow up "Del Rio turns heel again and then loses to Sheamus every month for like 5 or 6 months"? No, that happened the year earlier. The follow-up was them doing more of the Dolph feud but then never actually doing a blowoff for it and instead having Alberto beat Christian and RVD in nothing feuds then lose the belt to Cena out of nowhere and plummet down the card. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2022 9:08:38 GMT -5
wasnt the follow up "Del Rio turns heel again and then loses to Sheamus every month for like 5 or 6 months"? No, that happened the year earlier. The follow-up was them doing more of the Dolph feud but then never actually doing a blowoff for it and instead having Alberto beat Christian and RVD in nothing feuds then lose the belt to Cena out of nowhere and plummet down the card. right right right, I was misremembering, thanks for clearing things up  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 10:54:10 GMT -5
No, that happened the year earlier. The follow-up was them doing more of the Dolph feud but then never actually doing a blowoff for it and instead having Alberto beat Christian and RVD in nothing feuds then lose the belt to Cena out of nowhere and plummet down the card. right right right, I was misremembering, thanks for clearing things up They really f***ed Ziggler over. The crowd was HOT for him when he attacked Del Rio and turned face the night after whichever PPV it was where Alboreto won the title back. |
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