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Post by y4j1981 on Aug 26, 2022 19:16:50 GMT -5
This is all going to lead to a rematch at All Out with Punk v Mox for the title. Leading to the shocking return of MJF returning in the match to help Punk win and turn Punk heel. Leading to AEW'S version of the 'Two Man Power Trip' of Punk and MJF
Your welcome Tony/AEW. I will accept my booker paycheck now, thank you.
And after I get paid I will tell AEW how to book the storyline of Griff Garrison becoming to new leader of the Dark Order
All this and more, new Boom Period đ„ confirmed
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2022 19:17:56 GMT -5
I've really always thought Punk is a f***ing terrible heel. He leans so hard on trying to get booed he completely neglects that he's also supposed to be entertaining. I feel like there's a mix. Like, ROH and Straight Edge Society heel Punk had a lot of fun moments, too, but then you also have dogshit like him with Nexus or "trying way too goddamn hard to get booed" Punk and Undertaker feud when Bearer's ashes were pulled into it. He's got very little middle ground.
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Post by Instant Classic on Aug 26, 2022 19:20:52 GMT -5
In hindsight the fact it was booked in the middle of the show was a massive tip off we weren't getting a legit match. On the contrary for me. If it would have main evented 10 minutes before Dynamite ended then I think it would be more obvious.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2022 10:30:09 GMT -5
Somehow, this âSummer of Punkâ is the weirdest. Last night it was more like the Fall of Punk. Hoho! Let me buy you a drink
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 27, 2022 13:53:24 GMT -5
I've really always thought Punk is a f***ing terrible heel. He leans so hard on trying to get booed he completely neglects that he's also supposed to be entertaining. I feel like there's a mix. Like, ROH and Straight Edge Society heel Punk had a lot of fun moments, too, but then you also have dogshit like him with Nexus or "trying way too goddamn hard to get booed" Punk and Undertaker feud when Bearer's ashes were pulled into it. He's got very little middle ground. Punk pouring ashes on himself was incredibly funny.
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Post by Facetious on Aug 27, 2022 14:07:45 GMT -5
I feel like there's a mix. Like, ROH and Straight Edge Society heel Punk had a lot of fun moments, too, but then you also have dogshit like him with Nexus or "trying way too goddamn hard to get booed" Punk and Undertaker feud when Bearer's ashes were pulled into it. He's got very little middle ground. Punk pouring ashes on himself was incredibly funny. Maybe I'm just morbid, but him dropping the urn after attempting to juggle it was hilarious too.
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Post by ghost on Aug 27, 2022 14:08:52 GMT -5
I actually liked "happy to be here" Punk, and I share the sentiment that as a heel he's going to be more obnoxious (in a bad way) than entertaining. I hope he's more subtle with the heel work than he was in 2012 (?) when he was MJF's current character on steroids.
Like others have said, if the match is happening at AO, then he's definitely turning heel by the end of it. No other reason to have the first match AND the rematch if it wasn't leading to a significant character shift for him.
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Post by Fade on Aug 27, 2022 14:17:29 GMT -5
I have hope for an AEW Heel Punk. Even as dodgy as I found some of his main event WWE heel run to be. Context is important and an old, bitter, crazy Punk in AEW feels fitting.
My mind goes back to the line he told Hangman âThose roads you traveled to get here, they were paved by me. This house that you built..it was constructed from lumber with trees I chopped downâ. He never felt appropriate as âthe guyâ in WWE and it feels even stranger (to me) in AEW.
But as a heel in AEW? âSpecially with all the rumors weâre hearing? Yeah, I think that could be money.
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Post by chronocross on Aug 27, 2022 14:51:13 GMT -5
I'm hoping for a heel Punk as well, though I liked the match on Wednesday as sometimes you have to do short title matches.
Still not sure how Punk would have grounds for a rematch as he got destroyed in less than a few minutes.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 27, 2022 19:01:11 GMT -5
It depends on who you put Punk with and heâs done entertaining heel work in the past, but most of the time I think heâs better as a face.
But: if heâs against a more traditional babyface like a Hangman, a John Cena or a Rey Mysterio, heâs better either as a flat-out heel or as a face starting to lean heel. He canât outdo those kinds of guys in terms of getting the audienceâs sympathy. Especially when theyâre selling.
Also, I like it when he shows ass as a heel. I enjoyed his work with Big Show, I donât feel it undercut his stature. He was a prick getting his just desserts.
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Post by Fade on Aug 27, 2022 19:18:02 GMT -5
I'm hoping for a heel Punk as well, though I liked the match on Wednesday as sometimes you have to do short title matches. Still not sure how Punk would have grounds for a rematch as he got destroyed in less than a few minutes. Honestly, who knows whatâs theyâre doing but the big glaring excuse could be that Mox didnât let the doctor check on him. That being said, said-reasoning sounds like some chickenshit heel stuff and from the clip we saw on Rampage, they might play up it wasnât as âsevere of an injury after the matchâ so, who knows really lol
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Post by Cyno on Aug 27, 2022 19:22:29 GMT -5
I'm hoping for a heel Punk as well, though I liked the match on Wednesday as sometimes you have to do short title matches. Still not sure how Punk would have grounds for a rematch as he got destroyed in less than a few minutes. I don't think any rules for title rematches or anything have been firmly established in AEW. Like Moxley got a bunch from Omega after the latter won the championship, but IIRC Jericho never got a rematch from Moxley during his first run. And then the possible rematches involving Hangman Page never happened due to Omega and Punk's injuries.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Aug 27, 2022 21:41:26 GMT -5
I donât understand this Moxley/Punk rematch at All Out. It doesnât make any sense from storyline perspective and itâs off-brand for AEW.
Punk going heel is fine but I donât get this from any angle. Did Moxley win on Dynamite to assure 50/50 booking? Moxley is now going to lose to an injured Punk? Did Punk fake his injury as a storyline?
I donât get any of it and Iâm not a least bit interested in watching it play out at All Out.
How again is Punk receiving rematch?
This is piss poor booking in the context of AEW branding.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 28, 2022 2:45:13 GMT -5
I donât understand this Moxley/Punk rematch at All Out. It doesnât make any sense from storyline perspective and itâs off-brand for AEW. Punk going heel is fine but I donât get this from any angle. Did Moxley win on Dynamite to assure 50/50 booking? Moxley is now going to lose to an injured Punk? Did Punk fake his injury as a storyline? I donât get any of it and Iâm not a least bit interested in watching it play out at All Out. How again is Punk receiving rematch? This is piss poor booking in the context of AEW branding. Can we at least see what happens at all before we call it piss poor booking? Like literally nothing has even happened yet, the justification hasn't been laid out, Moxley hasn't spoken in ring yet, there's not even a guarantee that's what happens I feel like this whole thing has been riddled with gun jumping and people are just writing it off because of the mere thought of it. And as for Punk receiving a rematch, if he does, AEW has shown multiple times, World Champions can pick their opponents, if they agree to it, just saw it with Lee and Swerve last week.
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Post by ppl591 on Aug 28, 2022 3:31:12 GMT -5
I think the whole thing is a huge mess. Not finger poke of doom bad. But close. It'd short sighted. Comes off as a ratings grab and a bad one at that. At the end of the day I'm way less interested in the title picture than I was coming in
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 28, 2022 3:42:22 GMT -5
I'm withholding judgment, I guess. AEW has delivered on PPVs, and this is going to be an interesting test of them, to say the least.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 28, 2022 5:44:33 GMT -5
This does all seem extremely messy and disorganised to me, but I'm holding on judgement until I see where it's heading.
I will say, I do think Punk makes a great heel, but I'd like to see him be less evil and more like a pathetic, desperate heel who feels he's losing his grip. The manner of his loss on Dynamite would really play into it and give him justification.
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Post by thehottag on Aug 28, 2022 5:58:18 GMT -5
Can we at least see what happens at all before we call it piss poor booking? Like literally nothing has even happened yet It's been piss-poor so far, though. We're a week away from a PPV & we don't even know what the main event is. The biggest match they could've done (and still might) was given away for free in the build-up as a squash. I'm happy to 'wait and see' on free TV, but this is supposed to get people invested enough to spend their money. If you're 7 days from a show & your booking has people more confused than excited, or busy talking about backstage antics than the actual show, that's bad no matter how you slice it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 28, 2022 6:39:01 GMT -5
Can we at least see what happens at all before we call it piss poor booking? Like literally nothing has even happened yet It's been piss-poor so far, though. We're a week away from a PPV & we don't even know what the main event is. The biggest match they could've done (and still might) was given away for free in the build-up as a squash. I'm happy to 'wait and see' on free TV, but this is supposed to get people invested enough to spend their money. If you're 7 days from a show & your booking has people more confused than excited, or busy talking about backstage antics than the actual show, that's bad no matter how you slice it. I still don't think anything was "given away" because the match was cut short due to Punk's "Injury". The whole point was Punk got cocky and the whole story was "Did he come back too soon and lose it all?" Like idk I feel like I'm just disconnected with the people who are calling this awful and calling it even close to a WCW move, whether or not the match happens again at all out, I can see the story being told, and if it does happen again, i can't see how they gave away "The biggest match they have" when almost nothing actually happened between the two. I feel like Bryan Alvarez made the best and most concise point on this and uploaded it to the F4W Youtube, but for me as he said it, you don't want to do this all the time, but sometimes, you want to be a little unpredictable, and it's not the worst business decision if they land it.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Aug 28, 2022 8:16:47 GMT -5
It's been piss-poor so far, though. We're a week away from a PPV & we don't even know what the main event is. The biggest match they could've done (and still might) was given away for free in the build-up as a squash. I'm happy to 'wait and see' on free TV, but this is supposed to get people invested enough to spend their money. If you're 7 days from a show & your booking has people more confused than excited, or busy talking about backstage antics than the actual show, that's bad no matter how you slice it. I still don't think anything was "given away" because the match was cut short due to Punk's "Injury". The whole point was Punk got cocky and the whole story was "Did he come back too soon and lose it all?" Like idk I feel like I'm just disconnected with the people who are calling this awful and calling it even close to a WCW move, whether or not the match happens again at all out, I can see the story being told, and if it does happen again, i can't see how they gave away "The biggest match they have" when almost nothing actually happened between the two. I feel like Bryan Alvarez made the best and most concise point on this and uploaded it to the F4W Youtube, but for me as he said it, you don't want to do this all the time, but sometimes, you want to be a little unpredictable, and it's not the worst business decision if they land it. You just made my point for me..good grief. So are we suppose to buy the fact 10 more days will make Punk suddenly be able to defeat Moxley at All Out? 10 more days of healing after getting injured again will do the trick for Punk? Champion naming his opponent? Moxley already said in public he wants somebody new at All Out. So that angle is completely out the door. If itâs Moxley vs Punk again at All Out itâs piss poor booking with no logic and no coherent interest from fans. Iâm a huge supporter of TK and have enjoyed his long term booking and most of his decisions. But having rematch after squash due to injury is mind numbing stupid. Letâs pray Khan has somebody else in mind to face Moxley at All Out. Please.
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