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Post by CeilingFan on Sept 11, 2022 5:34:04 GMT -5
When it comes to Pro Wrestling there has always been a Top 3 U.S. Promotions : WWF, NWA, and AWA in the 80s. WWF, WCW, and ECW in the 90s. WWE, TNA, and ROH in the 2000s and the 2010s. AEW, WWE, and Impact in the 2020s. May 29th 2022, CM Punk became the first wrestler to have won World Titles in 3 separate US promotions (ROH, WWE, and AEW). I just realized that today  |
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Post by evilone on Sept 11, 2022 7:04:32 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch?
First tier wrestling in US would be
WWE, WCW, AEW
Second tier
ECW, TNA
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 11, 2022 7:17:09 GMT -5
It is kind of amazing that we've never had someone who won world titles in WWE, WCW, & Impact (barring Invasion era Kurt Angle briefly having the Big Gold Belt). You'd think that would have happened in some fashion, but no.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Sept 11, 2022 9:04:53 GMT -5
It is kind of amazing that we've never had someone who won world titles in WWE, WCW, & Impact (barring Invasion era Kurt Angle briefly having the Big Gold Belt). You'd think that would have happened in some fashion, but no. Savage, Nash, Hogan, and Booker T had a shot. None of them held the main TNA title ever though. |
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Post by Facetious on Sept 11, 2022 9:41:35 GMT -5
I have nothing to add other than I'm glad Mox doesn't have the shortest reign anymore.
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Post by CeilingFan on Sept 11, 2022 9:43:28 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch? First tier wrestling in US would be WWE, WCW, AEW Second tier ECW, TNA Some would say that ROH was Number 2 from 2015 until 2017. |
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Post by Cyno on Sept 11, 2022 10:12:05 GMT -5
ROH at its highest was at least on the same level as TNA and pre-WWE ECW. All In and the MSG shows selling as well as they did also paved the way for AEW.
Only thing they really missed was a major TV deal. But the numbers between all their syndicated airings were actually pretty respectable.
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Post by Fundertaker on Sept 11, 2022 11:04:23 GMT -5
It is kind of amazing that we've never had someone who won world titles in WWE, WCW, & Impact (barring Invasion era Kurt Angle briefly having the Big Gold Belt). You'd think that would have happened in some fashion, but no. Savage, Nash, Hogan, and Booker T had a shot. None of them held the main TNA title ever though. And Jarrett never had the WWE belt. |
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Sept 11, 2022 11:06:07 GMT -5
He certainly made history this September. AYYYYYYYYYYY
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 11, 2022 11:21:53 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch? First tier wrestling in US would be WWE, WCW, AEW Second tier ECW, TNA Some would say that ROH was Number 2 from 2015 until 2017. #2 in America, definitely. I’d argue NJPW was the #2 promotion period until AEW launched and NJPW was rocked by the pandemic. |
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 11, 2022 11:45:18 GMT -5
Flair has him beat. NWA, WCW & WWF World Titles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 12:08:04 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch? First tier wrestling in US would be WWE, WCW, AEW Second tier ECW, TNA Some would say that ROH was Number 2 from 2015 until 2017. I definitely would say that but I'd also say that was equally due to the fall of TNA as it was the rise of ROH. I'd also add Sting as someone who had a chance to win the title in WCW, TBA, and WWE even if it was pretty unlikely he would win in WWE. |
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Post by tirtefaa on Sept 11, 2022 12:44:48 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch? First tier wrestling in US would be WWE, WCW, AEW Second tier ECW, TNA Some would say that ROH was Number 2 from 2015 until 2017. Right, but that would be close to 15 years after Punk won it, so it's not like he was on top of a top company. And ECW in the 90's? Oooookay. I know this is a retroactive point where everyone and their dog knew about ECW, but I knew a ton of people who were big into wrestling who had no idea what ECW was during this time, and didn't care. The vast majority of people who enjoyed wrestling even into the Monday Night Wars did not watch one minute of ECW and likely were only familiar to it through references on the shows they actually watched. I would be surprised if they received a 1% share of viewers between the years of 1993 and 2001. A distant distant third place, which is why once they got an actual TV deal on TNN, ECW at their best never even got half the viewers that WCW got at their worst. |
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Post by Cyno on Sept 11, 2022 13:26:47 GMT -5
The (partially WWE-propped up) legend and mythos of ECW was way bigger than ECW ever was as an independent company. Outside of a very short-lived basic cable show and a couple of crappy video games, they were way more on the scale of an ROH than WWF or WCW.
They were the default #3 US promotion in the 90s but it was a huge drop from #2.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 11, 2022 13:29:59 GMT -5
If you extend it to NXT Joe has WWE, ROH, and Impact.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 11, 2022 14:01:23 GMT -5
Putting ROH in there is kind of a stretch? First tier wrestling in US would be WWE, WCW, AEW Second tier ECW, TNA By 2015 ROH definitely fit at least that second tier. They cleared more TV accessibility, more (and higher) live gates and at least as much overall presence as either ECW or TNA did at their absolute peaks. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 11, 2022 19:25:57 GMT -5
He certainly made history this September. AYYYYYYYYYYY |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 11, 2022 19:28:15 GMT -5
The (partially WWE-propped up) legend and mythos of ECW was way bigger than ECW ever was as an independent company. Outside of a very short-lived basic cable show and a couple of crappy video games, they were way more on the scale of an ROH than WWF or WCW. They were the default #3 US promotion in the 90s but it was a huge drop from #2. It did have a level of infamy around it, like I remember kids on the playground thinking it was where "they fight for real", etc, but it didn't necessarily translate into big viewership/sale numbers. They did get the video games, but that was luck on their part as much as anything else, with Acclaim wanting to milk their Warzone/Attitude engine for a few more games while they still could. |
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Post by robferatu on Sept 12, 2022 2:46:14 GMT -5
Savage, Nash, Hogan, and Booker T had a shot. None of them held the main TNA title ever though. And Jarrett never had the WWE belt. Surprisingly enough, Jeff Jarrett never held the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. He held the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship multiple times, but when TNA’s agreement with the NWA ended and they established their own championships, he never actually won Total Nonstop Action’s top championship. With that said, there’s still time for CM Punk to win the Impact World Heavyweight Championship before adding burning a bridge with them to his bridge burning bucket list. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Sept 12, 2022 4:02:09 GMT -5
And Jarrett never had the WWE belt. Surprisingly enough, Jeff Jarrett never held the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. He held the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship multiple times, but when TNA’s agreement with the NWA ended and they established their own championships, he never actually won Total Nonstop Action’s top championship. With that said, there’s still time for CM Punk to win the Impact World Heavyweight Championship before adding burning a bridge with them to his bridge burning bucket list. If Moxley ever wins the Impact World Title, then he also makes History! |
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