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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 10:29:49 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage.
Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it.
IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL.
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Post by mistery on Nov 27, 2022 10:35:14 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage. Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it. IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL. I wouldn't even hold my breath on them getting better booking on SD as long as Ronda is around. And Becky will likely end up on Smackdown with the title after Mania. As for Raquel, I think Triple H just needs to face the fact that she's horribly uninteresting and will never be seen as a huge star by the fans, because while she's okay in the ring, she's completely and utterly bland at everything else.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2022 10:44:25 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage. Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it. IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL. Bianca occasionally brings it up in interviews, but I don't think that group will happen any time soon. Hell, the last few months have shown that it's pointless to book Bianca in group-based storylines because she doesn't need backup.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2022 10:53:37 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage. Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it. IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL. Okay I'm sure we went through this a month or two ago but I still can't wrap my head around the idea that Raquel is in a better position and more of a management favorite than Damage CTRL. Would fans honestly rather their favorites were on TV for 5 minutes every few weeks, never make PPVs and are barely over? In place of being top heels, getting a bunch of TV time every week, wrestling in front of massive stadium shows in marquee matches and having huge highlights like IYO's cage moonsault last night? Is it because HHH booked Raquel as champion on NXT 2 years ago and people think she's going to suddenly win the Royal Rumble or something? NXT and the main roster are very different animals. Johnny Gargano was HHH's top guy for years in NXT and he's a midcarder on Raw. I've seen absolutely no indication that Raquel's going to be a main eventer anytime soon. There's probably about a dozen women who are more prominent than her right now and again, she never even gets onto PPVs. That's how you know who the key people are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 10:59:54 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage. Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it. IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL. I wouldn't even hold my breath on them getting better booking on SD as long as Ronda is around. And Becky will likely end up on Smackdown with the title after Mania. As for Raquel, I think Triple H just needs to face the fact that she's horribly uninteresting and will never be seen as a huge star by the fans, because while she's okay in the ring, she's completely and utterly bland at everything else. If Ronda is done after Mania next year and right now nothing has come out about that changing then IMO SD becomes easily the better brand for them even with Becky as champion because SD is just a barren waste of talent right now. Alexa IYO Dakota Duodrop As additions while Raw can have Charlotte , Raquel and Shayna would be fine with me ..either way IYO and Dakota in particular just need to get the f*** away from Bianca and Becky as soon as possible...and I have a slim bit of hope...not much but it is more than I had with Bianca that maybe Becky puts them over by being the ones to send her away from Raw to SD...like I said it is a slim bit of hope because the way more likely situation is she wins the rumble and just challenges Ronda without swapping brands right now.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 27, 2022 11:12:03 GMT -5
They just need to disband at this point. Or Dakota and Iyo need to kick Bayley out as leader at least.
It's possible, though that would be an interesting story given part of Dakota's current character is her loyalty to Bayley for seeing something in her.
Frankly Iyo has never really worked as a lackey. Going back to her days in Japan. She works best either leading a group, or being in her own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 11:14:20 GMT -5
Apart from feuding with each others idk what the hell they do with them now because they have been chumped at every single point basically from their onset when they backed away from Becky and Bianca at Summerslam even though they had the clear numbers advantage. Yea they have the womens tag titles....could not be anymore of a consolation prize may as well give them a blue ribbon while they are at it. IYO and Dakota probably aint getting the improved end of things untill they get drafted to SD and HHH shovels off Raquel to Raw so he can do his next iteration of his 4H he has clearly been wanting to do with BIANCA , RHEA , RAQUEL. Okay I'm sure we went through this a month or two ago but I still can't wrap my head around the idea that Raquel is in a better position and more of a management favorite than Damage CTRL. Would fans honestly rather their favorites were on TV for 5 minutes every few weeks, never make PPVs and are barely over? In place of being top heels, getting a bunch of TV time every week, wrestling in front of massive stadium shows in marquee matches and having huge highlights like IYO's cage moonsault last night? Is it because HHH booked Raquel as champion on NXT 2 years ago and people think she's going to suddenly win the Royal Rumble or something? NXT and the main roster are very different animals. Johnny Gargano was HHH's top guy for years in NXT and he's a midcarder on Raw. I've seen absolutely no indication that Raquel's going to be a main eventer anytime soon. There's probably about a dozen women who are more prominent than her right now and again, she never even gets onto PPVs. That's how you know who the key people are. I am not saying this that it is a thing that is like right around the corner about to happen but the long term writing on the wall has always been there ever since the night after the original stand and deliver when NXT pretty much declared that Raquel saved the womens division and completely treated IYO and her reign as if the previous year was nothing. This is why to me Raquel despite not being at that point at the moment is already in a better place long them than IYO is because of that moment and HHH is already 2/3rds of the way there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 11:16:46 GMT -5
It's possible, though that would be an interesting story given part of Dakota's current character is her loyalty to Bayley for seeing something in her.
Frankly Iyo has never really worked as a lackey. Going back to her days in Japan. She works best either leading a group, or being in her own. No matter the group it is always a bad look when they try make someone that immensely talented and try to downplay them as a lackey.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2022 11:27:09 GMT -5
Frankly Iyo has never really worked as a lackey. Going back to her days in Japan. She works best either leading a group, or being in her own. No matter the group it is always a bad look when they try make someone that immensely talented and try to downplay them as a lackey. The most over person in wrestling right now is a super talented wrestler playing a lackey in a group and takes the fall in TV matches regularly. And I don't agree about Smackdown being a better spot for them. I still think Raw is the place I'd rather be if I was a woman. Smackdown has that Dynamite vibe of okay, the division gets one match and maybe one promo a week most weeks. While Raw is absolutely dominated by the women's stuff a lot of the time, they get multiple segments per show and regularly get the key main event and show opening spots.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 27, 2022 11:28:02 GMT -5
Okay I'm sure we went through this a month or two ago but I still can't wrap my head around the idea that Raquel is in a better position and more of a management favorite than Damage CTRL. Would fans honestly rather their favorites were on TV for 5 minutes every few weeks, never make PPVs and are barely over? In place of being top heels, getting a bunch of TV time every week, wrestling in front of massive stadium shows in marquee matches and having huge highlights like IYO's cage moonsault last night? Is it because HHH booked Raquel as champion on NXT 2 years ago and people think she's going to suddenly win the Royal Rumble or something? NXT and the main roster are very different animals. Johnny Gargano was HHH's top guy for years in NXT and he's a midcarder on Raw. I've seen absolutely no indication that Raquel's going to be a main eventer anytime soon. There's probably about a dozen women who are more prominent than her right now and again, she never even gets onto PPVs. That's how you know who the key people are. I am not saying this that it is a thing that is like right around the corner about to happen but the long term writing on the wall has always been there ever since the night after the original stand and deliver when NXT pretty much declared that Raquel saved the womens division and completely treated IYO and her reign as if the previous year was nothing. This is why to me Raquel despite not being at that point at the moment is already in a better place long them than IYO is because of that moment and HHH is already 2/3rds of the way there. The NXT thing is very dumb since Iyo consistently drew higher ratings and had far more crowd support as NXT champion than Raquel did. Heck Mandy has more crowd support as champ than Raquel did.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2022 12:31:05 GMT -5
I REALLY don't think that Bianca/Rhea/Raquel segment is "a thing" to 99% of fans.
Like that Punk/Bryan/Ryder image gets constantly posted even a decade later but until this thread I had no idea the NXT thing was considered important or whatever. I think it was just because of the pandemic they were all still in the same place rather than touring with their own shows and with the novelty of 3 new female singles champions who came from NXT all being crowned on Wrestlemania weekend they put them together in a little segment. I don't think it's a huge symbolic thing.
If Raquel was a chosen one she wouldn't have immediately lost to Ronda after debuting. She wouldn't have lost the tag titles immediately after winning them. And she might actually get spots on big PPVs. I think the only PPV she's been on is MITB as the token bigger person to throw people around because Rhea was hurt. Even that 6 pack challenge last week, that would have been a good spot for her to win. Her and Ronda showed some good chemistry in that TV match, it would surely have been an improvement over the abomination that was the Shotzi match and it would finally be an actual high profile match for her to face Ronda on a big 4 PPV. They didn't go with her though just like they didn't go with her to win MITB and I'm pretty sure they won't go with her to win the Rumble. She's just clearly not seen as that important.
IYO's debut at Summerslam, that match at CATC, that match and insane spot last night are all way bigger and more memorable than anything Raquel's done in her career. If I was a wrestler I'd much rather be in IYO's spot than Raquel's. And as a fan who loves IYO and isn't that fussed about Raquel either way I'm definitely glad I get to see IYO wrestle all the top stars, get a bunch of TV time every week and show out at the big PPVs compared to doing the whole lot of nothing Raquel has been doing. IYO also has the eventual split and feud with Bayley and a singles run to look forward to. She's barely scratched the surface. It's been 4 months. While I'm struggling to see a lot to look forward to on the horizon for Raquel.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2022 13:11:15 GMT -5
I REALLY don't think that Bianca/Rhea/Raquel segment is "a thing" to 99% of fans. Like that Punk/Bryan/Ryder image gets constantly posted even a decade later but until this thread I had no idea the NXT thing was considered important or whatever. I think it was just because of the pandemic they were all still in the same place rather than touring with their own shows and with the novelty of 3 new female singles champions who came from NXT all being crowned on Wrestlemania weekend they put them together in a little segment. I don't think it's a huge symbolic thing. If Raquel was a chosen one she wouldn't have immediately lost to Ronda after debuting. She wouldn't have lost the tag titles immediately after winning them. And she might actually get spots on big PPVs. I think the only PPV she's been on is MITB as the token bigger person to throw people around because Rhea was hurt. Even that 6 pack challenge last week, that would have been a good spot for her to win. Her and Ronda showed some good chemistry in that TV match, it would surely have been an improvement over the abomination that was the Shotzi match and it would finally be an actual high profile match for her to face Ronda on a big 4 PPV. They didn't go with her though just like they didn't go with her to win MITB and I'm pretty sure they won't go with her to win the Rumble. She's just clearly not seen as that important. IYO's debut at Summerslam, that match at CATC, that match and insane spot last night are all way bigger and more memorable than anything Raquel's done in her career. If I was a wrestler I'd much rather be in IYO's spot than Raquel's. And as a fan who loves IYO and isn't that fussed about Raquel either way I'm definitely glad I get to see IYO wrestle all the top stars, get a bunch of TV time every week and show out at the big PPVs compared to doing the whole lot of nothing Raquel has been doing. IYO also has the eventual split and feud with Bayley and a singles run to look forward to. She's barely scratched the surface. It's been 4 months. While I'm struggling to see a lot to look forward to on the horizon for Raquel.
Yeah, her future is probably just coming back in time to lose at the Rumble. I'd assumed she was going to at least get a good run in the Rumble itself, but that feels unlikely now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 27, 2022 13:28:11 GMT -5
I still don't understand how people still upset Iyo lost in NXT to Raquel when she needed that
She was a dominant champ for months and you had a ready made wrestler. The push just didn't work among other things during that time in NXT run
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Post by dbrussel on Nov 27, 2022 13:36:26 GMT -5
People still upset Iyo lost in NXT to Raquel cause ......Raquel LOL
About yesterday, cant wait for Bianca & Becky to take the tag titles off Iyo & Dakota, cause that's gonna happen
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 13:39:13 GMT -5
I still don't understand how people still upset Iyo lost in NXT to Raquel when she needed that She was a dominant champ for months and you had a ready made wrestler. The push just didn't work among other things during that time in NXT run I do not think anyone is upset or even hung up on it I just brought it up as a point of reference to what I was talking about. I will say though IMO that was the last great long reign we have seen and not for a bias personal reason but because she had it for 300+ days and I remember the discussions in the thread leading to that show and after and everyone was seemingly onboard with her dropping the title (outside of me saying it should not be Raquel to do it) and it ended at the perfect moment. She did not over stay her reign and she put over a woman into the main event scene and got what was clearly suppose to be her goodbye thank yous from the crowd as she kissed the mat , thanked the crowd etc.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 27, 2022 13:42:14 GMT -5
Raquel was an underwhelming champ.
Iyo losing to Candice or Toni would have worked better honestly.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Nov 27, 2022 14:28:22 GMT -5
Raquel was an underwhelming champ. Iyo losing to Candice or Toni would have worked better honestly. In the moment, Raquel was the right choice. She immediately stagnated and even regressed as a character right after tho.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 27, 2022 14:45:55 GMT -5
You know it did not work when a bunch of people (myself included) were going “put the title on Mandy Rose, that might be more fun at this point.”
Really Dakota should have been the one to take the belt from Raquel though.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 27, 2022 15:03:45 GMT -5
Raquel was an underwhelming champ. Iyo losing to Candice or Toni would have worked better honestly. In the moment, Raquel was the right choice. She immediately stagnated and even regressed as a character right after tho. She was putting on bangers with Rhea and looking good every week but once she won the title HHH had no idea how to keep that momentum Her and Kross had bad title reigns from the stubbornness of not making changes. She still has the ability, she just has to find that sweetspot again which I think will come when you put her back with Kai or just have her and Rhea f*** people up
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 27, 2022 15:44:20 GMT -5
People still upset Iyo lost in NXT to Raquel cause ......Raquel LOL About yesterday, cant wait for Bianca & Becky to take the tag titles from Iyo & Dakota, cause that's gonna happen As much as I hate main eventer super tag team champions at the same time I don't really know where else you go with them. I guess Raquel and Shotzi but they are feuding with Ronda. Maybe something like Candice and Mia. However Candice I think might be injured as they wrote her off like a month ago in an attack where she wasn't shown getting beaten up and hasn't been seen since.
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