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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 5, 2022 14:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe because I was never a huge fan of the group to begin with (although Dakota has won me over and I'm starting to become a fan of hers individually) I haven't been on the "Damage CTRL is buried" bandwagon at least as far as how they've been presented in the ring. I would say with how they've been booked in ring they are definitely below Bianca and Becky level (which is no shame as everyone other then maybe Ronda is) with Bayley and Iyo both being above Asuka and Alexa level which is pretty good as those are two who've been pushed hard in the past and are still names. Even Dakota while she's been the least protected of the group it seems like has raised her stock as a good reliable wrestler who management seems to have a lot of faith in when it comes to put out there for a long time and being able to deliver a good match.
With that said there's no denying that the group is comically incompetent at this point when it comes to doing beatdowns even where they outnumber people. Iyo and Dakota especially. On Raw Becky fended them off by herself with them selling getting hit by signs. Then on Smackdown even Liv warded off Iyo and Dakota very easily at first. They did manage to overwhelm her and then Tegan with "numbers" with Liv then having to use a weapon to clear them but the fact that they had so much trouble with her to begin with made them look like dopes. They should've shut Liv down immediately and then did what they ended up doing. Tegan makes the save but gets overwhelmed and then Liv uses a weapon to give the faces the advantage.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 5, 2022 14:39:38 GMT -5
Didn’t Morgan just spend three months undefeated as champion? Sure she didn’t fare great against Rousey, but she isn’t some scrub that should just be swatted away. Otherwise what was the point of the title run and all those wins?
Everything is so greatly imbalanced towards “Your losses hurt you more than your wins help you”. Like, it feels like people have to go on double-digit undefeated streaks (hell, Morgan did just that) to counteract ONE loss.
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Post by mistery on Dec 5, 2022 14:54:30 GMT -5
Didn’t Morgan just spend three months undefeated as champion? Sure she didn’t fare great against Rousey, but she isn’t some scrub that should just be swatted away. Otherwise what was the point of the title run and all those wins? Everything is so greatly imbalanced towards “Your losses hurt you more than your wins help you”. Like, it feels like people have to go on double-digit undefeated streaks (hell, Morgan did just that) to counteract ONE loss. Liv Morgan was also never portrayed as someone on the level as Bianca or Becky either, with her wins against Ronda being portrayed as flukes or the ref screwing up. And even then, she shouldn't be fending off Damage CTRL almost entirely on her own. It's really not that hard to understand. All this does is make Iyo, Dakota, and Bayley look weak. And let's be just straight up honest here. If Liv or Becky (or any other woman for that matter) are able to fend off all three members on their own, why are we supposed to believe that any of them could even potentially win a match against Liv or Becky? You aren't. And it makes Iyo, Dakota, and Bayley look really bad, and pretty much tells the audience that these three women are absolute goobers who are easily overcome and aren't a threat in the slightest.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 5, 2022 15:03:43 GMT -5
Didn’t Morgan just spend three months undefeated as champion? Sure she didn’t fare great against Rousey, but she isn’t some scrub that should just be swatted away. Otherwise what was the point of the title run and all those wins? Everything is so greatly imbalanced towards “Your losses hurt you more than your wins help you”. Like, it feels like people have to go on double-digit undefeated streaks (hell, Morgan did just that) to counteract ONE loss. Liv is definitely a lot higher in the pecking order and a bigger threat then she was before her title run. However she's still not someone you envision being able to hold her own without a weapon in a three on one against a main event heel and the tag team champions. Really the only people who should do that are either a hoss or someone who is a perennial main event babyface. Liv falls into neither of those categories.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 5, 2022 15:25:45 GMT -5
I feel like if they had had Liv get beat up, but then you see her laughing like a lunatic in the ring, that could have done the trick.
Puts over her new crazy masochist side or whatever it is, while letting the heels still look somewhat capable.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 5, 2022 23:17:53 GMT -5
I suppose laying out Becky with a powerbomb through the table is good and all, but I feel we've been down this road before: DC getting the upper hand in beatdown segments, but losing when it actually matters.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 5, 2022 23:21:33 GMT -5
I suppose laying out Becky with a powerbomb through the table is good and all, but I feel we've been down this road before: DC getting the upper hand in beatdown segments, but losing when it actually matters. .......them succeeding in a beatdown segment is actually an improvement for them.....
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 5, 2022 23:28:30 GMT -5
Bayley and Alexa won. I'm a happy camper.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 6, 2022 1:47:34 GMT -5
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Post by gl83 on Dec 6, 2022 15:57:56 GMT -5
Maybe because I was never a huge fan of the group to begin with (although Dakota has won me over and I'm starting to become a fan of hers individually) I haven't been on the "Damage CTRL is buried" bandwagon at least as far as how they've been presented in the ring. I would say with how they've been booked in ring they are definitely below Bianca and Becky level (which is no shame as everyone other then maybe Ronda is) with Bayley and Iyo both being above Asuka and Alexa level which is pretty good as those are two who've been pushed hard in the past and are still names. Even Dakota while she's been the least protected of the group it seems like has raised her stock as a good reliable wrestler who management seems to have a lot of faith in when it comes to put out there for a long time and being able to deliver a good match. With that said there's no denying that the group is comically incompetent at this point when it comes to doing beatdowns even where they outnumber people. Iyo and Dakota especially. On Raw Becky fended them off by herself with them selling getting hit by signs. Then on Smackdown even Liv warded off Iyo and Dakota very easily at first. They did manage to overwhelm her and then Tegan with "numbers" with Liv then having to use a weapon to clear them but the fact that they had so much trouble with her to begin with made them look like dopes. They should've shut Liv down immediately and then did what they ended up doing. Tegan makes the save but gets overwhelmed and then Liv uses a weapon to give the faces the advantage. Oddly enough Dakota has actually been pretty well-protected. She lost via a distraction rollup to Raquel and one when she wasn’t even the legal competitor. War Games was actually her first clean loss. Even last week against Candice she was protected, coming off of everything she endured inside War Games 2 days earlier and then on top of that she got sneak attacked from behind before she even made it even halfway down the ramp. Bayley has also been protected with her losses coming in a ladder match, her getting trapped in a Last Woman Standing match and then getting rolled up by Candice. It’s the beat down segments and their lack of success there that have made them look weak and inefffective.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 6, 2022 17:21:19 GMT -5
Maybe because I was never a huge fan of the group to begin with (although Dakota has won me over and I'm starting to become a fan of hers individually) I haven't been on the "Damage CTRL is buried" bandwagon at least as far as how they've been presented in the ring. I would say with how they've been booked in ring they are definitely below Bianca and Becky level (which is no shame as everyone other then maybe Ronda is) with Bayley and Iyo both being above Asuka and Alexa level which is pretty good as those are two who've been pushed hard in the past and are still names. Even Dakota while she's been the least protected of the group it seems like has raised her stock as a good reliable wrestler who management seems to have a lot of faith in when it comes to put out there for a long time and being able to deliver a good match. With that said there's no denying that the group is comically incompetent at this point when it comes to doing beatdowns even where they outnumber people. Iyo and Dakota especially. On Raw Becky fended them off by herself with them selling getting hit by signs. Then on Smackdown even Liv warded off Iyo and Dakota very easily at first. They did manage to overwhelm her and then Tegan with "numbers" with Liv then having to use a weapon to clear them but the fact that they had so much trouble with her to begin with made them look like dopes. They should've shut Liv down immediately and then did what they ended up doing. Tegan makes the save but gets overwhelmed and then Liv uses a weapon to give the faces the advantage. Oddly enough Dakota has actually been pretty well-protected. She lost via a distraction rollup to Raquel and one when she wasn’t even the legal competitor. War Games was actually her first clean loss. Even last week against Candice she was protected, coming off of everything she endured inside War Games 2 days earlier and then on top of that she got sneak attacked from behind before she even made it even halfway down the ramp. Bayley has also been protected with her losses coming in a ladder match, her getting trapped in a Last Woman Standing match and then getting rolled up by Candice. It’s the beat down segments and their lack of success there that have made them look weak and inefffective. She's been protected but it seems like she's been pinned more then the other two. We'll see how Candice does next week with Iyo but it seems like any time they need a Damage CTRL member to take a L to a midcardy type woman like Candice or Raquel they usually elect Dakota.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 6, 2022 18:08:16 GMT -5
Oddly enough Dakota has actually been pretty well-protected. She lost via a distraction rollup to Raquel and one when she wasn’t even the legal competitor. War Games was actually her first clean loss. Even last week against Candice she was protected, coming off of everything she endured inside War Games 2 days earlier and then on top of that she got sneak attacked from behind before she even made it even halfway down the ramp. Bayley has also been protected with her losses coming in a ladder match, her getting trapped in a Last Woman Standing match and then getting rolled up by Candice. It’s the beat down segments and their lack of success there that have made them look weak and inefffective. She's been protected but it seems like she's been pinned more then the other two. We'll see how Candice does next week with Iyo but it seems like any time they need a Damage CTRL member to take a L to a midcardy type woman like Candice or Raquel they usually elect Dakota. Wouldn't really call Raquel a midcardy type as she's been their most protected women, not named Ronda Rousey, over on Smackdown. Dakota's only been pinned 4 times: 2 of which were by rollups(one via distraction; one where she wasn't even the legal competitor) and one was coming off of War Games and included her on the receiving end of a pre-match attack. And while she has taken the most L's of the group, she's also been the one to get the big wins as both times they won the tag titles, Dakota was the one to make the decisive pinfall. Strangely, IYO has been the one that's received the least protection as she lost to Bianca clean and got pinned clean by Alexa Bliss to lose the tag titles.
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Post by mistery on Dec 6, 2022 18:49:07 GMT -5
Yeah. Iyo is by far the least protected member of the group. She also has the least fan support, which is probably one of the reasons why she isn't protected. Honestly she lost a lot of hype among fans when she had those two clunkers with Bianca, even though a lot of the fault could be laid at the agenting of the match, because they gave Bianca like 95% of the offense in both of her matches with Iyo. Iyo needs to be the one controlling the match to look pretty good, the underdog role doesn't suit her at all.
I also agree with the idea that Iyo is taking a clean loss next week, as they are telling the story of Candice going through all of Damage CTRL just to get to Bayley. Not saying Iyo should lose, but it's what is gonna happen. Because Triple H is giving Candice another chance to get over, at the expense of Iyo and Dakota.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 22:10:26 GMT -5
Technically Candice already beat Bayley and so she has already trounced 2/3rds of this trio.
IMO she should not beat IYO besides obvious reasons such as Candice has never beaten IYO , it is an a huge piece of overlooked storytelling here that IYO and Candice are forever frenemies and Candice no matter how much she has fought or tried other means just has never been able to beat IYO.
IMO the only time Candice should ever beat IYO IMO is when it means the most meaning only if it is for the moment where IYO has had a run with the title and she drops it to Candice that way when Candice finally does it that it means everything.
So it should continue here...Candice gives the never give up fight she always gives IYO but just falls short again.
Not saying it will happen but this is not the time for Candice to overcome her forever nemesis.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 8, 2022 12:38:23 GMT -5
Yeah. Iyo is by far the least protected member of the group. She also has the least fan support, which is probably one of the reasons why she isn't protected. Honestly she lost a lot of hype among fans when she had those two clunkers with Bianca, even though a lot of the fault could be laid at the agenting of the match, because they gave Bianca like 95% of the offense in both of her matches with Iyo. Iyo needs to be the one controlling the match to look pretty good, the underdog role doesn't suit her at all. I also agree with the idea that Iyo is taking a clean loss next week, as they are telling the story of Candice going through all of Damage CTRL just to get to Bayley. Not saying Iyo should lose, but it's what is gonna happen. Because Triple H is giving Candice another chance to get over, at the expense of Iyo and Dakota. Wouldn’t even say it was at the expense of Dakota because Dakota came out of that match with Candice looking pretty strong. Considering it was 2 nights after everything she endured at War Games and Dakota was on the receiving end of a sneak attack by Candice and she still almost beat her, I think Dakota came out of that match looking better than Candice, despite taking the L. My guess is that if Candice wins it will be off of distraction from Becky as retribution from this past Raw. I could also see Dakota helping IYO beat Candice as revenge for her loss and then Nikki Cross attacks Candice post-match. Can’t see it leading to Candice vs Bayley since Bayley is already feuding with Becky, unless Becky’s shoulder is still messed up and she ain’t 100% yet.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 8, 2022 12:43:02 GMT -5
I like their new shirt! So…there’s that, lmao
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Post by msc on Dec 16, 2022 22:20:25 GMT -5
Another win through interference.
Do we know who the mystery woman is?
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Post by gl83 on Dec 17, 2022 0:01:51 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 17, 2022 0:09:12 GMT -5
Another win through interference. Do we know who the mystery woman is? Xia Li Because reasons
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